Make Sure You’re Following the Real Jesus

[MatthewG]

Back in that day to be saved from the Wrath of God, was - those who called on the name of the Lord.

They were in the Last days when Peter is quoting Joel. Did you know that?

 

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[marks]

I can show you 100% with Gods name back in proves most religions truth wrong. A prime example Joel 2:21-22- Those who call on the name of YHVH(Jehovah) will be saved. But your translation has LORD--so when Joel is quoted 2 x in the NT,( Acts 2:21-- Romans 10:13) both spots in your bible say Lord--Jehovah is in both spots the way God wants it. Thus many think the name Jesus is the name associated with both NT spots-they are wrong.

The word "jehovah" was invented by the Masoretic scribes as a way to obscure the pronounciation of God's Name YHWH. The vowels from Adonai were superimposed over the constants YHWH, specifically so that no one would pronounce God's Name even in their thoughts.

Jehovah is not God's Name as given to us. This is a word invented to obscure, not reveal God's Name.

Your religion is built on a falsehood. The truth is exactly opposite what you say, you are not witnesses of Jehovah, that being a made up name.

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

Back in that day to be saved from the Wrath of God, was - those who called on the name of the Lord.

They were in the Last days when Peter is quoting Joel. Did you know that?

Peter didn’t quote Joel to teach that salvation was only for that generation. He quoted it to announce that the salvation of God through Christ had come.

“Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved” ~Acts 2:21 is not time-bound. Paul quotes the very same verse in ~Romans 10:13 indicating it still stands. The “last days” began with Christ’s coming ~Hebrews 1:2 and go on until His return.

Yes, Peter quoted Joel in the first century but the gospel message was not temporary. The same Lord who poured out His Spirit then still saves all who call on Him now. Constraining that to one period of time twists the text and denies the continuing power of the cross.

 

[MatthewG]

I’m not talking about salvation in the general sense here—I’m talking specifically about being saved from the wrath of God.


When Jesus came onto the scene, John the Baptist was already preaching about this coming wrath. He warned the religious leaders, “Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” (Matthew 3:7). That wasn’t just poetic language—it was a prophetic warning tied to the judgment that would fall on Israel for rejecting the Messiah.


Scripture outlines three kinds of “being saved from”:


1. Saved from Disease

• Healing was a sign of God’s mercy and power. “He sent His word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions” (Psalm 107:20).

2. Saved from Sin

• This is foundational to the Gospel: “You shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21).

3. Saved from Wrath

• Paul writes, “Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him” (Romans 5:9).
• This wrath, in its covenantal context, was poured out upon Israel in the final days for rejecting the Son of God—“These are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (Luke 21:22).

But there’s also a fourth kind of salvation—being saved to something.


4. Saved to the Kingdom of God

• This is about inheritance, not just rescue. “He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love” (Colossians 1:13).
• Entrance into the Kingdom comes through faith in the Lord Yeshua—His death, burial, and resurrection. “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9).

Jesus overcame sin, death, and Satan. And the wrath of God—specifically tied to Israel’s rejection of the Messiah—was fulfilled in that generation. That’s not just theology—it’s prophecy, history, and spiritual reality.

 

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[bdavidc]

I’m not talking about salvation in the general sense here—I’m talking specifically about being saved from the wrath of God.


When Jesus came onto the scene, John the Baptist was already preaching about this coming wrath. He warned the religious leaders, “Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” (Matthew 3:7). That wasn’t just poetic language—it was a prophetic warning tied to the judgment that would fall on Israel for rejecting the Messiah.


Scripture outlines three kinds of “being saved from”:


1. Saved from Disease

• Healing was a sign of God’s mercy and power. “He sent His word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions” (Psalm 107:20).

2. Saved from Sin

• This is foundational to the Gospel: “You shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21).

3. Saved from Wrath

• Paul writes, “Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him” (Romans 5:9).
• This wrath, in its covenantal context, was poured out upon Israel in the final days for rejecting the Son of God—“These are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled” (Luke 21:22).

But there’s also a fourth kind of salvation—being saved to something.


4. Saved to the Kingdom of God

• This is about inheritance, not just rescue. “He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love” (Colossians 1:13).
• Entrance into the Kingdom comes through faith in the Lord Yeshua—His death, burial, and resurrection. “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9).

Jesus overcame sin, death, and Satan. And the wrath of God—specifically tied to Israel’s rejection of the Messiah—was fulfilled in that generation. That’s not just theology—it’s prophecy, history, and spiritual reality.

Once again, your argumentation conflates truth and supposition. The Scriptures do not limit God’s wrath to one temporal event in history, such as the fall of Jerusalem. Wrath against sin is present reality and the final judgment is the future fulfillment of God’s wrath.

“The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness” ~ Romans 1:18. That’s present. But the Apostle Paul also wrote of a day of wrath to come, a final day when God’s judgment will be revealed: “Because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed” ~ Romans 2:5. This has not yet occurred. It is future and universal, not simply covenantal or national.

True, Jesus prophesied the coming destruction of Israel because of their rejection of Him ~ Matthew 23:37–38, but their judgment in 70 A.D. was not the measure of God’s wrath, for John spoke of the “wrath to come” ~Matthew 3:7. This was not restricted to their generation; it is the same wrath spoken of in Revelation as being poured out upon the ungodly world ~ Revelation 6:16–17.

You’re correct that believers are “saved from wrath” ~ Romans 5: 9, but it is eternal wrath, not just temporal. In the same verse, we are also declared “reconciled to God” ~ Romans 5:10, which clearly indicates that our salvation is from God and relates to peace with Him, not from Roman military aggression.

The truth is this: salvation in Christ is deliverance from God’s eternal wrath and entry into His eternal kingdom. It is not about history, it is about eternity. In Christ there is no condemnation ~ Romans 8:1, but outside of Christ one remains under the wrath of God ~ John 3:36.

 

[MatthewG]

Once again, your argumentation conflates truth and supposition. The Scriptures do not limit God’s wrath to one temporal event in history, such as the fall of Jerusalem. Wrath against sin is present reality and the final judgment is the future fulfillment of God’s wrath.

“The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness” ~ Romans 1:18. That’s present. But the Apostle Paul also wrote of a day of wrath to come, a final day when God’s judgment will be revealed: “Because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed” ~ Romans 2:5. This has not yet occurred. It is future and universal, not simply covenantal or national.

True, Jesus prophesied the coming destruction of Israel because of their rejection of Him ~ Matthew 23:37–38, but their judgment in 70 A.D. was not the measure of God’s wrath, for John spoke of the “wrath to come” ~Matthew 3:7. This was not restricted to their generation; it is the same wrath spoken of in Revelation as being poured out upon the ungodly world ~ Revelation 6:16–17.

You’re correct that believers are “saved from wrath” ~ Romans 5: 9, but it is eternal wrath, not just temporal. In the same verse, we are also declared “reconciled to God” ~ Romans 5:10, which clearly indicates that our salvation is from God and relates to peace with Him, not from Roman military aggression.

The truth is this: salvation in Christ is deliverance from God’s eternal wrath and entry into His eternal kingdom. It is not about history, it is about eternity. In Christ there is no condemnation ~ Romans 8:1, but outside of Christ one remains under the wrath of God ~ John 3:36.

Hello David,

Can I ask you this?
Is God angry and mad at the world today?
What do you believe the Wrath of God is?

Ignoring my use of scripture, that is my only two questions.

Thank you,
Matthew

 

[Keiw]

That’s not what Scripture teaches. You’re twisting the text to fit a manmade theory. The New Testament quotes Joel 2:32 correctly when it says, “Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” ~ Acts 2:21, and ~Romans 10:13. The Greek word used there is Kyrios, which the apostles applied directly to Jesus Christ, proving that He is the Lord Joel was talking about.

Paul even clarifies this in ~ Romans 10:9, “If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.” That’s not about restoring a lost pronunciation, it’s about recognizing who Jesus truly is, Yahweh in the flesh, our Savior.

The name “Jesus” (Iēsous) literally means “Yahweh saves.” God’s name was not lost or changed, it was fulfilled in the Son. The focus of redemption is not on phonetics but faith. Scripture never commands anyone to use the Tetragrammaton as a ritual formula for salvation. What matters is believing in the true Christ revealed in God’s Word, not chasing a secret name.

You’re not teaching truth, you’re teaching confusion. Anyone who denies that calling on Jesus as Lord is calling on Yahweh Himself is denying the very gospel the apostles preached. “No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also” ~ 1 John 2:23.

God DID NOT put LORD at Joel. He put his name because he wants his name there. The mislead use the altered translations.

 

[Keiw]

The word "jehovah" was invented by the Masoretic scribes as a way to obscure the pronounciation of God's Name YHWH. The vowels from Adonai were superimposed over the constants YHWH, specifically so that no one would pronounce God's Name even in their thoughts.

Jehovah is not God's Name as given to us. This is a word invented to obscure, not reveal God's Name.

Your religion is built on a falsehood. The truth is exactly opposite what you say, you are not witnesses of Jehovah, that being a made up name.

Much love!

No the name was not invented--Jesus used Gods name because God wants it used, just not in vain. A follower uses that name as well. Calls on it, praises it, shares it. Only the wicked fear taking it in vain, its why the wicked removed it and replaced it with titles= to mislead.

 

[marks]

No the name was not invented--Jesus used Gods name because God wants it used, just not in vain. A follower uses that name as well. Calls on it, praises it, shares it. Only the wicked fear taking it in vain, its why the wicked removed it and replaced it with titles= to mislead.

You may want to check out the history on this. What I've said is correct. The name was a conflation of God's Name and the vowels of Adonai, intended to prevent anyone from pronouncing God's Name, even in their thoughts.

Apparently the original founders of the Watchtower didn't know this when they called themselves the Jehovah's Witnesses. God never gave His Name as Jehovah. The Masoretic scribes did that, for their own purpose, as stated.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

No the name was not invented--Jesus used Gods name because God wants it used, just not in vain. A follower uses that name as well. Calls on it, praises it, shares it. Only the wicked fear taking it in vain, its why the wicked removed it and replaced it with titles= to mislead.

Hello Keiw,

I believe people can say Yahweh, Yehovah, Yahavah, Jehovah. That sounds about right when they decided to take the name out. However, I don't know the entire history. I do believe that Yahavah/LORD desired for his name to be used, and there is nothing wrong with it. Also I have heard that when it comes to talking and using Gods named in vain, it's more of a person saying "God said for me to tell you this, that and this and that" form of speech. I believe that would be using the name of God in vain. In order to gain for selfish means in abusing his name.

Thank you for your time,
Matthew

 

[bdavidc]

God DID NOT put LORD at Joel. He put his name because he wants his name there. The mislead use the altered translations.

The problem with what you’re saying is that you’re treating translations as if they altered God’s identity, when in reality the New Testament itself, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, reveals how Joel 2:32 is fulfilled. Peter quotes that verse in ~ Acts 2:21, and he didn’t say “Yahweh,” he said “Lord” (Kyrios), and then made it abundantly clear that the “Lord” being called upon is Jesus Christ.

If you reject that, you’re not just arguing with translators. You’re arguing with the apostles themselves. The Holy Spirit led them to apply Joel’s prophecy to Jesus because salvation is found in no one else. “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” ~ Acts 4:12.

The problem isn’t that the name was removed, it’s that God revealed it in a far greater way. The name of Yahweh is made known through Jesus, who said, “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me” ~John 17:6.

So no, it’s not “altered translations.” It’s divine revelation. The apostles call Jesus “Lord” because He is the LORD of Joel 2:32, Yahweh in the flesh. That’s the truth the enemy hates most, and it’s the truth that saves.

 

[Keiw]

You may want to check out the history on this. What I've said is correct. The name was a conflation of God's Name and the vowels of Adonai, intended to prevent anyone from pronouncing God's Name, even in their thoughts.

Apparently the original founders of the Watchtower didn't know this when they called themselves the Jehovah's Witnesses. God never gave His Name as Jehovah. The Masoretic scribes did that, for their own purpose, as stated.

Much love!

Men say that is what occurred. I say, God and Jesus have made the Fathers name known( John 17:26)--ALL who serve him know 100% it is his name.

 

[Keiw]

Hello Keiw,

I believe people can say Yahweh, Yehovah, Yahavah, Jehovah. That sounds about right when they decided to take the name out. However, I don't know the entire history. I do believe that Yahavah/LORD desired for his name to be used, and there is nothing wrong with it. Also I have heard that when it comes to talking and using Gods named in vain, it's more of a person saying "God said for me to tell you this, that and this and that" form of speech. I believe that would be using the name of God in vain. In order to gain for selfish means in abusing his name.

Thank you for your time,
Matthew

Taking the name in vain = Portraying oneself as a follower of Jesus, then doing the opposite in things they practice and others can see it. It could turn people off to serving God. Costing them life everlasting in Gods kingdom.

 

[Keiw]

The problem with what you’re saying is that you’re treating translations as if they altered God’s identity, when in reality the New Testament itself, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, reveals how Joel 2:32 is fulfilled. Peter quotes that verse in ~ Acts 2:21, and he didn’t say “Yahweh,” he said “Lord” (Kyrios), and then made it abundantly clear that the “Lord” being called upon is Jesus Christ.

If you reject that, you’re not just arguing with translators. You’re arguing with the apostles themselves. The Holy Spirit led them to apply Joel’s prophecy to Jesus because salvation is found in no one else. “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” ~ Acts 4:12.

The problem isn’t that the name was removed, it’s that God revealed it in a far greater way. The name of Yahweh is made known through Jesus, who said, “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me” ~John 17:6.

So no, it’s not “altered translations.” It’s divine revelation. The apostles call Jesus “Lord” because He is the LORD of Joel 2:32, Yahweh in the flesh. That’s the truth the enemy hates most, and it’s the truth that saves.

Even the divine name kjv( 2015) has the name Jehovah in NT over 200 spots.-- I have the sources they used to prove the name belongs in those spots.
Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3) controlled the bible from the 300,s until the 1300,s-kept in Latin so people couldn't read it for themselves. Burned people alive for translating to another language. When men could finally read for them selves, they ran from Catholicism. Matthew 23:9 alone proves they do not belong to Jesus. The protestant branches did not fix much either. They twisted things as well. Part of the cause= The removal of Gods name.

 

[marks]

Men say that is what occurred. I say, God and Jesus have made the Fathers name known( John 17:26)--ALL who serve him know 100% it is his name.

That is in fact what occurred. While previously not widely known, it's history. It is what it is. That's what they did, and that's why they did it.

God gave His Name to us in Scripture, in both YHWH before the Incarnation, and 'Iesous afterward, having come to us. You reject these, which are given in Scripture, in favor of a word invented to obscure God's Name.

We know as a fact that Jehovah is not how God's Name was pronounced, because that pronounciation was devised to prevent anyone using the true pronounciation. This is verifiable. The simple fact is that you hold to something not true.

Even so, I believe God accepts us if we have our faith in Jesus.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Even the divine name kjv( 2015) has the name Jehovah in NT over 200 spots.-- I have the sources they used to prove the name belongs in those spots.

And that's not translation, it's making word substitutions according to one's personal opinion of what the text should actually say. This is simply one more example of someone interpreting the Bible by asserting, "It says this, but it means that." You know the saying, If I had a $ for every time I heard that I'd be a rich man indeed!

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

Taking the name in vain = Portraying oneself as a follower of Jesus, then doing the opposite in things they practice and others can see it. It could turn people off to serving God. Costing them life everlasting in Gods kingdom.

Hello Keiw,

Good morning. That would just be called a hypocrite?

Grace and peace,
Matthew

 

[bdavidc]

Even the divine name kjv( 2015) has the name Jehovah in NT over 200 spots.-- I have the sources they used to prove the name belongs in those spots.
Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3) controlled the bible from the 300,s until the 1300,s-kept in Latin so people couldn't read it for themselves. Burned people alive for translating to another language. When men could finally read for them selves, they ran from Catholicism. Matthew 23:9 alone proves they do not belong to Jesus. The protestant branches did not fix much either. They twisted things as well. Part of the cause= The removal of Gods name.

That is what we have already discussed several times. The Bible clearly reveals the answer to this. The apostles did not render "Jehovah" in the Greek text, they used Kyrios and applied Joel 2:32 directly to Jesus Christ. That is the revelation of the Holy Spirit, not an alteration by man. You are arguing with the text itself, not me. The Word of God has already given the answer and that is where I stand.