The history and changes that occurred between the Old and New Testaments

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Around four hundred years pasted between the Old and New Testaments. Four hundred years of history and four hundred years of Jewish history. We are finding out more and more of the general history but not much on the religious side.

There were significant events and changes that impacted the world and salvation significantly. But we do not know the details of the events just what changed. People do not like unanswered questions regarding the Bible and so speculations ensues. And speculation is OK but it should remain in the column of speculation.

The fall of the angels and Satan becoming a devil and the enemy of God and humanity probably happened during this period. But we do not know the details leading up to the fall or the details of the fall. All we know is that Satan is a serious threat in the New Testament and drives a lot of what happens.

In the Old Testament Yahweh commands the killing of Pagans…..kill all that breaths including the male children. Tens of thousands of Pagan women that were not virgins were killed. Virgin Pagan women were taken for concubines. (Wombs were considered neutral as long as not penetrated by Pagan men and only one Hebrew man.)

The point? Yahweh commanded the Isrealites/Jews to rage war against the Pagans and the Mosaic Law forbid any type of peace or trade treaties. But Yahweh feelings/attitude changes in the New Testament. Yahweh so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, Yeshua. Do we know why Yahweh changed his mine? No we do not.

So in the New Testament instead of raging war on the Pagans, Yahweh wants to “save” all of humanity. What does saved mean? It means reconciling humanity with Yahweh. It means offering humanity an eternal reward of Heaven. And implementing a new set of morals.

But a human Messiah could not do this. In the Old Testament the Messiah was prophesized to be a human warlord king that would take down the Jewish oppressors during the terrible day of the Lord and put the Jews in power and make the Mosaic Law the standard for the whole world. And sacrifices would continue forever.

Put the plan changed…..to achieve what needed to be done the Messiah had to be a God. The Messiah would not wage a war against the Pagans the Messiah would commission the Apostle Paul for a ministry to save the Pagans….called Gentiles in the Bible. The Messiah would not setup a kingdom instead He would be sacrificed on the cross….a perfect sacrifice that would “rip the veil in two in the Temple that separated Yahweh from humanity. And His resurrection and ascension to His Father in Heaven where He opened the gates to Heaven for humanity. In the New Testament there would be no need of a Temple.

When was Hell created? Well the word Hell does not appear in the Old Testament nor does Yahweh threaten those in the Old Testament with a eternal fiery punishment. But Yeshua warns of the fiery eternal punishment in the New Testament….so probably Hell was created in between the testaments. Possibly in conjunction with the fall of the angels. Speculation ….Sheol has levels and Hell is at the bottom of Sheol. (The word Hell cannot appear in the scriptures the word first appears in the 8th century AD in the Anglo Saxon and old English. And the word Hades does not appear in the scriptures either. Hades was a Greek god that presided over an underworld of the same name….no fire. Because there was no word for a fiery place of eternal punishment..... in the scriptures Yeshua and the Apostles used descriptions and examples. So a fiery place of eternal punishment does exist.)

These changes caused some issues….the changes were too much for most of the Jews to handle. They had a lust for power and were looking for a human Messiah that would defeat their oppressors and put them in power. But in stead of a human warlord they got the Lord. A Messiah of peace and love and forgiveness. They saw His miracles as magic and in the Talmud accused him of being a magician. The changes were too much for the most of the Jews to accept so they rejected him. Crucify Him!!! Crucify Him!!! Let his blood be on us and our children!!! And history proved it served as a curse on them.

Big changes that occurred between the Old and New Testament that even modern Christians have a hard time comprehending.

The Persian Era (397-336 BC)
The Persians were the dominating power in the Middle East as far back as 536 BC. God used the Persians to deliver Israel from Babylonian captivity (Dan 5:30-31). Persia’s attitude was tolerant toward the Jewish remnant in Palestine, until internal rivalry over the politically powerful office of high priest resulted in partial destruction of Jerusalem by the Persian governor.

The Babylonian captivity was used by God to purge idolatry from His people, who returned to Jerusalem with a new reverence for the Scriptures and a firm grasp on the theological concept of monotheism. These two influences carried over through the Inter-testament Period. The rise of the synagogue as the local center of worship happened in the Persian Era. Scribes became very important for the interpretation of Scriptures in the synagogue services. Towards the end of this era, a temple rose up in Samaria, establishing a form of worship that rivaled Judaism. That event encouraged the ultimate social and religious separation between Jew and Samaritan.

The Greek Era (336-323 BC)
Alexander the Great, in many respects the greatest conqueror of all time, was the central figure of this brief period. He conquered Persia in 334 BC and then Babylon, Palestine, Syria, Egypt, and western India. Although he died at thirty-three, having reigned over Greece only thirteen years, his influence lived long after him.

Alexander’s desire was to found a worldwide empire united by language, custom, and civilization. Under his influence, the world began to speak and study the Greek language. This process, called Hellenization, included the adoption of Greek culture and religion in all parts of the world. Hellenism became so popular that it persisted even into New Testament times. The struggle that developed between the Jews and Hellenistic influence was long and bitter. Although faithful Jews staunchly resisted polytheism, Greek was common enough to need a Greek translation of the Old Testament.

The Egyptian Era (323-198 BC)
With the death of Alexander in 323 BC, the Greek empire became divided into four segments, which were Daniel’s “four kingdoms” that took the place of the “large horn” (Dan 8:21-22). Ptolemy Soter received Egypt and soon dominated nearby Israel. He dealt severely with the Jews at first, but toward the end of his reign and on into the rule of Ptolemy Philadephus, his successor, the Jews were treated favorably. During this time, the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) became authorized.

The policy of toleration followed by the Ptolemies, by which Judaism and Hellenism coexisted peacefully, was very dangerous for the Jewish faith. A gradual infiltration of Greek influence and assimilation of the Greek way of life took place. Hellenism’s emphasis on beauty, shape, and movement encouraged Jews to neglect Jewish religious rites, warping worship to become more external than internal, which had a lasting impact upon Judaism. Two religious parties emerged: the Hellenizing party, which was pro-Syrian, and the orthodox Jews, in particular the Hasidim or “Pious Ones” (predecessors of the Pharisees). A struggle for power between these two groups resulted in a polarization of the Jews along political, cultural, and religious lines.

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The Syrian Era (198-166 BC)
When the Syrians defeated Egypt in the battle of Panion in 198 BC, Judea annexed to Syria. Under the rule of Antiochus the Great and his successor Seleucus Philopater, the Jews, though treated harshly, were nonetheless allowed to maintain local rule under their high priest. All went well until the Hellenizing party replaced the high priest and set off a political conflict that brought Antiochus to Jerusalem. In 168 BC, Antiochus set about destroying every distinctive characteristic of the Jewish faith, forbidding sacrifices, circumcision, and observance of the Sabbath and feasts. He also desecrated the Most Holy Place by offering a sacrifice to Zeus.

During this era, the Jewish religion became divided over the issue of Hellenism. The groundwork was laid for an orthodox party, generally led by the scribes and later called the Pharisees, and for what we may call a more pragmatic faction of Jews which became more or less associated with the office of high priest. The pattern of thinking upon which the latter group was based fostered the rise of the Sadducees at a later date.

The Maccabean Era (165-63 BC)
An elderly Jewish priest named Mattathias, of the house of Hasmon, lived with his sons in the village of Modein, northwest of Jerusalem. When a Syrian official tried to enforce heathen sacrifice in Modein, Mattathias revolted, slew the Syrian official, and fled to the mountains with his family. Thousands of faithful Jews joined him. After the death of Mattathias, three of his sons carried on the revolt in succession: Judas Maccabaeus (166-160 BC), Jonathan (160-142 BC), and Simon (143-134 BC). These men had such success that by 165 BC, they had retaken Jerusalem, cleansed the temple, and restored worship. Jews commemorate this event as the Feast of Hanukkah. Finally, under the leadership of Simon, the Jews received their independence (142 BC). They experienced almost seventy years of freedom under the Hasmonaean dynasty. During the Maccabean Revolts the Jews were looking at Jewish military leaders as being a possible Messiah.

The most significant religious development resulted from a strong difference of opinion concerning the kingship and high priesthood of Judea. For hundreds of years the position of high priest had taken on obvious political overtones. Emphasis had not been on the line of Aaron but political strength, which Orthodox Jews resisted. When John Hyrcanus became governor and high priest of Israel, he conquered Transjordan and Idumaea and destroyed the Samaritan temple. His power and popularity led him to refer to himself as a king. This flew in the face of the orthodox Jews, who by this time were called Pharisees. They recognized no king unless he was of the lineage of David, and the Hasmonaeans were not. Those who opposed the Pharisees and supported the Hasmonaeans were called Sadducees.

The Roman Era (63-4 BC)
The independence of the Jews ended in 63 BC, when Pompey of Rome took Syria and entered Israel. Aristobulus II, claiming to be the king of Israel, locked Pompey out of Jerusalem. The Roman leader in anger took the city by force and reduced the size of Judea. In 47 BC, Julius Caesar appointed Antipater the Idumaean procurator of Judea. Herod, the son of Antipater, eventually became the king of the Jews around 40 BC.

Although Herod the Great, as he was called, planned and carried out the building of the new temple in Jerusalem, he was a devoted Hellenist and hated the Hasmonaean family. He killed every descendant of the Hasmonaeans, even his own wife Marianne, the granddaughter of John Hyrcanus. Then he proceeded to murder his own two sons. This is the man on the throne when Jesus was born in Bethlehem! And he carried a attack kill newborns less that two years. Since Herod died in 4 BC Christ’s birth has to happen sometime before this. 5 notable groups from this era:

The Pharisees
The group was named by John Hyrcanus and means “Separatists”.
Depended heavily upon the scribes and were loyal to the law and religion of God. Their emphasis upon the strict adherence to the Scriptures sought to apply the written law to everyday life.


The Sadducees
Derived their name from the word Zadokites or maybe from the Hebrew word tsaddik, meaning “righteous”.

While the Pharisees were connected with the scribes, the Sadducees were related to the high priest. The priests seem to have tended toward the more social, political, and earthly aspects of their position, which was more attractive to many of the more socially-minded Jewish leaders.

Belonged mostly to the wealthy influential priestly families who formed the social aristocracy of the Jewish nation. They felt that God’s law and a nation’s politics were totally separate. They were therefore skeptical of the Pharisees and thought of them as old-fashioned, irrelevant, and fanatical.

The Herodians
Emerged during the Roman Era (Matt 22:16).
A political party whose major aim was to further the cause of Herod’s government. They were perhaps motivated by a fear of the Roman government and the possibility of total destruction that could result from an act of rebellion by the Jews.
Strongly inclined toward Hellenism and were opposed to the Pharisees and their constant emphasis on separation.

The Zealots
“Cananeans” from the Aramaic kanna’ah, “zealous” – “Canaanites” in the NKJV New Testament.
A political party directly opposed to the Herodians. They would not conform to Roman rule and did not believe in waiting submissively like the Pharisees until Israel’s Messiah would come and overthrow the Romans. In their opinion, God only helped those who helped themselves, so the Jews had to be ready to fight for independence.
The Zealots had a fiery nationalistic spirit. The teachings of this group stressed a type of man-made, military deliverance rather than divine intervention.

The Essenes
Also a product of the Roman Era. Not mentioned in the New Testament but have received considerable attention since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

A religious group – not political.

A type of pseudo-spiritual cult which felt that they must withdraw from ordinary human society and practice a monastic kind of life and a mystical kind of Judaism.
 

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Bruh! lol. Nice. Im so tired right now.

You can bump and of your threads always remember that.

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The fall of the angels and Satan becoming a devil and the enemy of God and humanity probably happened during this period. But we do not know the details leading up to the fall or the details of the fall. All we know is that Satan is a serious threat in the New Testament and drives a lot of what happens.
I agree that we do not know the details of the fall of Satan. But we do know that the devil, Satan and the serpent refer to the same being:

Re 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Re 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

There is no idea in the bible that Satan became the devil. Also, if his fall only happened between the Testaments, what about the Old Testament references to the serpent and to Satan?
 

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I agree that we do not know the details of the fall of Satan. But we do know that the devil, Satan and the serpent refer to the same being:

Re 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Re 20:2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

There is no idea in the bible that Satan became the devil. Also, if his fall only happened between the Testaments, what about the Old Testament references to the serpent and to Satan?

In short, Satan is a fallen angel. The reference to Satan and serpents and dragons are symbology. Of course how did all that start, probably tying back to the serpent that tempted Eve.

The serpent and Satan connection in the Old Testament? I am not sure what you are referring to. We can discuss that.
 

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In short, Satan is a fallen angel. The reference to Satan and serpents and dragons are symbology. Of course how did all that start, probably tying back to the serpent that tempted Eve.

The serpent and Satan connection in the Old Testament? I am not sure what you are referring to. We can discuss that.
Well, Satan's name occurs 48 times in the Old Testament. I didn't say that there was a specific mention in the OT of the serpent being Satan. That is mentioned in the NT, as I quoted, but you say that is symbology. I am not sure what it could be a symbol of to say that Satan, the devil and the serpent are the same being.
 

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Well, Satan's name occurs 48 times in the Old Testament. I didn't say that there was a specific mention in the OT of the serpent being Satan. That is mentioned in the NT, as I quoted, but you say that is symbology. I am not sure what it could be a symbol of to say that Satan, the devil and the serpent are the same being.

Wow
The word Satan appears 18 times in the Old Testament….13 of those times in the book of Job.
And stay calm, I am not accusing you of saying anything. I was asking you to clearify.
The serpent becomes a symbol of evil in the New Testament expanding on the story of Adam and Eve. For example a serpent did not take Yeshua to the mountain to tempt Him.
 

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Wow
The word Satan appears 18 times in the Old Testament….13 of those times in the book of Job.
And stay calm, I am not accusing you of saying anything. I was asking you to clearify.
The serpent becomes a symbol of evil in the New Testament expanding on the story of Adam and Eve. For example a serpent did not take Yeshua to the mountain to tempt Him.
I do apologize. I did a search for "Satan" through the whole bible rather than the Old Testament. My "48 times" therefore referred to both Testaments together. As a name, it appears in the OT 14 times, plus an additional 9 times where the same word is translated "adversary."

Regarding the rest of your post, I would say that Satan spoke through an actual serpent to Eve, and that is why Revelation refers to Satan as "that serpent of old."

Anyway, sorry again for my carelessness.
 

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I do apologize. I did a search for "Satan" through the whole bible rather than the Old Testament.

Forgiven....that is what I figured you did.

As a name, it appears in the OT 14 times, plus an additional 9 times where the same word is translated "adversary."

That would seem to be correct.

Regarding the rest of your post, I would say that Satan spoke through an actual serpent to Eve, and that is why Revelation refers to Satan as "that serpent of old."

Agreed