Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[soberxp]

Okay . but have you read that entire book for your own self .
IT has errors in it . And as i said it was written by men OF THAT RELIGOIN .
so in no way could it have been T OTAL TRUTH .
no way .
So lets not use it . bring anything you like FROM the BIBLE . not the koran . This will confuse people
if you do this and we do not want that . So cease with the koran .
Bring ONLY things from the bible .

If the book is right, why should I treat it differently,

According to Christ, "It is finished " for Israel.
the "finished" nature of Israel’s role in biblical prophecy,
Why can't God continue to write a book to correct a believer's mistake, especially if it comes from a group, God uses another group to correct them,as God did it in the OT.

But now is, we are a group fight each other...

As Jesus Christ said: for I come not for peace, but word.

 

[amigo de christo]

If the book is right, why should I treat it differently,

According to Christ, "It is finished " for Israel.
the "finished" nature of Israel’s role in biblical prophecy,
Why can't God continue to write a book to correct a believer's mistake, especially if it comes from a group, God uses another group to correct them.

cause IT AINT right .
You know what you been doing . come on now lets not play games .
I SEEN what you wrote to me about GOD giving ishmaels children the koran
and Us the bible . COME ON NOW . let us at least be honest with one another .
AM i worried for you . YOU BET I AM . i think you done swallowed the harlots koolaide .
BUT i am not here to condmen you , BUT TO CORRECT YOU .
NO more talks of korans unless it is to expose that religoin .
THE BIBLE . that be THE BOOK we must use and support .

 

[soberxp]

cause IT AINT right .
You know what you been doing . come on now lets not play games .
I SEEN what you wrote to me about GOD giving ishmaels children the koran
and Us the bible . COME ON NOW . let us at least be honest with one another .
AM i worried for you . YOU BET I AM . i think you done swallowed the harlots koolaide .
BUT i am not here to condmen you , BUT TO CORRECT YOU .
NO more talks of korans unless it is to expose that religoin .
THE BIBLE . that be THE BOOK we must use and support .

How many God do we have?

 

[amigo de christo]

How many God do we have?

ONLY ONE . but beware for their is another and he workes among all the religoins
for to get the worship of man .
THere is only LIGHT and darkness
TRUTH and the lie
God and satan the god of this world .
WE BETTER CHOOSE GOD , LIGHT , TRUTH
cause we have in even our religoin many wovles in wool that do the work and the working of that other god .
ALL other religoins are steeped in darkness but claoked as light to the decieved within them .
Even the jew does not get a pass . SURE they have torah and the law and propehts
BUT IF THEY TOO fail to repent and beleive ON CHRIST , they remain children of satan and under his power and his control .
TIME we learned that .
Just like we all , yes even myself was once UNDER the power and influence of satan
and the scary thing was , e ven at that time i could preach the name of JESUS .
SO watch out folks . THE DEVIL IS SLICK .
But the sheep will not follow his voice . JESUS has the sheep . b ack to the bible my friend . back to the bible
and let us be refreshed and stirred up again by the pure and lovely reminders IN said BOOK .

 

[soberxp]

ONLY ONE . but beware for their is another and he workes among all the religoins
for to get the worship of man .
THere is only LIGHT and darkness
TRUTH and the lie
God and satan the god of this world .
WE BETTER CHOOSE GOD , LIGHT , TRUTH
cause we have in even our religoin many wovles in wool that do the work and the working of that other god .
ALL other religoins are steeped in darkness but claoked as light to the decieved within them .
Even the jew does not get a pass . SURE they have torah and the law and propehts
BUT IF THEY TOO fail to repent and beleive ON CHRIST , they remain children of satan and under his power and his control .
TIME we learned that .
Just like we all , yes even myself was once UNDER the power and influence of satan
and the scary thing was , e ven at that time i could preach the name of JESUS .
SO watch out folks . THE DEVIL IS SLICK .
But the sheep will not follow his voice . JESUS has the sheep . b ack to the bible my friend . back to the bible
and let us be refreshed and stirred up again by the pure and lovely reminders IN said BOOK .

So who is the only one God?

 

[amigo de christo]

How many God do we have?

ONE GOD and many reject him and remain in their false religions .
As sadly do many and have many rejected HIM even in Christendome as they too follow another jesus .
I have come to help , to extend the same grace GOD gave to me by the SPIRIT .
We have GOT to get back into the bible again to be refreshed again and stirred up again by such lovely pure reminders .
I dont desire the death of any , SO this sheep will be exposing the darkness so many love
and perhaps some will hear . Gotta do what i must do and that by THE GRACE OF GOD , by HIS SPIRIT
that compels and bids me to warn . TO do all for the good of this people .
No matter how hated i be for doing so .
My goal is saved souls and edified christains . and if that means my being hated then so be it .
My loyalty is TO GOD and not to man . And every Word of GOD is TRUTH and good meat for our souls .
I aint in this race to get lots of friends , for to do so i would have had to SOLD JESUS OUT for a lie .
The cost will be the cost my friend . BUT remember I DID DESIRE GOOD FOR YOU and for all .
TIS WHY i did correct and did warn and did remind .

 

[amigo de christo]

So who is the only one God?

THE GOD that dont deny the SON . and all other religoins DO .
SO they aint the religoin and their books are no good even if they have some truths in them .
THIS i can say
The god of darkness , satan IS THE ONE BEHIND the huge ecumincal move . a fact .
As he gathers all his children from the false relgioins
as well as the decieved from within christendom to become as one people with one so called love and unity
for a pipe dream they beleive will usher in world peace n safety .
ONLY satan would do such a thing . WHY
cause HE KNOWS ITS THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION of them all . SATAN wont offer up the TRUTH
only truths twisted to support a lie .
WHY
cause HE DESIRES THE DEATH of humanity as he always has , since we even seen him first in the garden .
OH he can preach a good sounding thing to the ears of the decieved
for he allures them through the lusts of thier flesh and leads them only INTO greater darkness .
BIBLE TIME friend .

 

[Chrysostomos]

Yes....being unequally yoked with unbelievers, unfortunately. Most mean well, but I'm afraid they are caught up in a deception, as I was for a while many years ago. The only time the Lord has rebuked me (twice and very sternly) had to do with how I was approaching the Jews. He takes this very seriously. At some point, I put it all on the altar and asked the Lord to sift it....and He has been faithful to sort me out, thankfully.

I'm not sure how the Hebrew roots movement started but it is misguided and actually a form of ecumenicalism. It's good for the church to be awakened to the need to evangelize the Jews and to understand how Christianity came about....salvation is of the Jews, etc. but it's not good to take it further and run off with our fleshly emotions and sentimentality, and start idolizing them.

I’d argue that the fervent support for modern Israel among some Christians, especially Zionists, feels like Stockholm syndrome.

The biblical Jews of scripture and today’s Israel are worlds apart. At least a third of modern Israelis—around 2.17 million out of 7.7 million non-Arab citizens—are former Soviet citizens or their descendants, per Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics. These are the heirs of a regime that orchestrated the largest-scale persecution of Christians in history. From 1991 to 2001, about 1 million repatriates (olim) arrived from CIS countries, accounting for a staggering 90% of all newcomers. Russia contributed 50%, Ukraine 30%, and other CIS nations 20%, while less than 10% came from the US or Western Europe. Yesterday, these people were communists, Pioneers, and Young Octobrists; overnight, they became “Jews” eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Their experience in the USSR included suppressing Christianity, and it’s not far-fetched to suggest they’re applying that playbook in the US today.

Consider the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, adopted by 37 US states as of October 2025, according to the Combat Antisemitism Movement and American Jewish Committee. It defines antisemitism as “a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward them” and lists 11 examples, including banning materials that invoke “collective Jewish guilt”—like quoting Matthew 27:24–25 (“His blood be on us and on our children”).
This effectively restricts citing parts of the New Testament, raising serious First Amendment concerns. It’s not a stretch to imagine a future where a critical post about Israel online could land someone in legal trouble.

99.7% of modern Israelis, who may not even be ethnically Jewish, reject Jesus as the Messiah and the only Savior. Yet, support for Zionism in the US, particularly among Christian Zionists, is unprecedented. They’re pushing laws that curb free speech, including biblical references, while championing a state whose population includes many who’ve historically opposed Christianity.

 

[soberxp]

I’d argue that the fervent support for modern Israel among some Christians, especially Zionists, feels like Stockholm syndrome.

The biblical Jews of scripture and today’s Israel are worlds apart. At least a third of modern Israelis—around 2.17 million out of 7.7 million non-Arab citizens—are former Soviet citizens or their descendants, per Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics. These are the heirs of a regime that orchestrated the largest-scale persecution of Christians in history. From 1991 to 2001, about 1 million repatriates (olim) arrived from CIS countries, accounting for a staggering 90% of all newcomers. Russia contributed 50%, Ukraine 30%, and other CIS nations 20%, while less than 10% came from the US or Western Europe. Yesterday, these people were communists, Pioneers, and Young Octobrists; overnight, they became “Jews” eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Their experience in the USSR included suppressing Christianity, and it’s not far-fetched to suggest they’re applying that playbook in the US today.

The biblical Jews of scripture and today’s Israel are worlds apart. At least a third of modern Israelis—around 2.17 million out of 7.7 million non-Arab citizens—are former Soviet citizens or their descendants, per Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics. These are the heirs of a regime that orchestrated the largest-scale persecution of Christians in history. From 1991 to 2001, about 1 million repatriates (olim) arrived from CIS countries, accounting for a staggering 90% of all newcomers. Russia contributed 50%, Ukraine 30%, and other CIS nations 20%, while less than 10% came from the US or Western Europe. Yesterday, these people were communists, Pioneers, and Young Octobrists; overnight, they became “Jews” eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Their experience in the USSR included suppressing Christianity, and it’s not far-fetched to suggest they’re applying that playbook in the US today.

Consider the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, adopted by 37 US states as of October 2025, according to the Combat Antisemitism Movement and American Jewish Committee. It defines antisemitism as “a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward them” and lists 11 examples, including banning materials that invoke “collective Jewish guilt”—like quoting Matthew 27:24–25 (“His blood be on us and on our children”).
This effectively restricts citing parts of the New Testament, raising serious First Amendment concerns. It’s not a stretch to imagine a future where a critical post about Israel online could land someone in legal trouble.
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99.7% of modern Israelis, who may not even be ethnically Jewish, reject Jesus as the Messiah and the only Savior. Yet, support for Zionism in the US, particularly among Christian Zionists, is unprecedented. They’re pushing laws that curb free speech, including biblical references, while championing a state whose population includes many who’ve historically opposed Christianity.

So how did these "Jews" speak the Hebrew language?

 

[Chrysostomos]

So how did these "Jews" speak the Hebrew language?

What do you mean by that? Modern Hebrew in Israel is a revived, somewhat artificial language—a modern reconstruction, not the Hebrew spoken in Jesus’ time. Back then, Jesus and his contemporaries primarily spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew. The biblical Hebrew of the Old Testament? Nobody really knows how it sounded exactly. Modern Hebrew is more of a standardized creation, shaped for today’s Israel, and quite different from the ancient tongue.

 

[Lizbeth]

I’d argue that the fervent support for modern Israel among some Christians, especially Zionists, feels like Stockholm syndrome.

The biblical Jews of scripture and today’s Israel are worlds apart. At least a third of modern Israelis—around 2.17 million out of 7.7 million non-Arab citizens—are former Soviet citizens or their descendants, per Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics. These are the heirs of a regime that orchestrated the largest-scale persecution of Christians in history. From 1991 to 2001, about 1 million repatriates (olim) arrived from CIS countries, accounting for a staggering 90% of all newcomers. Russia contributed 50%, Ukraine 30%, and other CIS nations 20%, while less than 10% came from the US or Western Europe. Yesterday, these people were communists, Pioneers, and Young Octobrists; overnight, they became “Jews” eligible for Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return. Their experience in the USSR included suppressing Christianity, and it’s not far-fetched to suggest they’re applying that playbook in the US today.

Consider the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism, adopted by 37 US states as of October 2025, according to the Combat Antisemitism Movement and American Jewish Committee. It defines antisemitism as “a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward them” and lists 11 examples, including banning materials that invoke “collective Jewish guilt”—like quoting Matthew 27:24–25 (“His blood be on us and on our children”).
This effectively restricts citing parts of the New Testament, raising serious First Amendment concerns. It’s not a stretch to imagine a future where a critical post about Israel online could land someone in legal trouble.
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99.7% of modern Israelis, who may not even be ethnically Jewish, reject Jesus as the Messiah and the only Savior. Yet, support for Zionism in the US, particularly among Christian Zionists, is unprecedented. They’re pushing laws that curb free speech, including biblical references, while championing a state whose population includes many who’ve historically opposed Christianity.

The unbelieving Jews are lost...they are without God so they tend to do as the lost do. Trust too much in the arm of the flesh....wanting to micromanage and control everything to prevent another holocaust etc. This life is all they have, so they put all their considerable might and energies and efforts into the basket of this life, as it were. If we were in their shoes we would do the same...I mean actually we all were at one time in their shoes and living for this life. I observe how things are in a collective sense, but approach each one as an individual who needs the Lord.

I think maybe some of them might be descended from the Khazars, or partly, but not all of them. I used to work in a kosher Jewish health care facility for several years and getting to know them and going by discernment and how the Lord reached out to some of them, I'm quite certain they were counted by Him as descendants of the original Jews.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Sorry to take so long.....I'm very slow these days. I agree it looks in some respects like the pattern.....but we would need to check all the details and see if it matches all of them. For me until the Lord reveals a thing to me I only consider myself to be speculating.

If AI is the second beast, what/who is the first beast whose image gets set up? (I don't know the answer, just wondering out loud.)

I'm mindful of letting the bible interpret itself, or witness to itself. so much of Revelation seems to be a kind of summation or reiteration of scriptures that came before it. So I believe the bible is the first place we should look and seek God for understanding. The number of the beast is the number of a "man".....and where we see 666 in the bible is with Solomon's 666 talents of gold...king of Israel who went astray because of his many pagan wives, and maybe we can infer a love of money?........as well as with Nebuchadnezzar's image of gold, it's measurements were 60 x 6 x 6 cubits. I believe it was an image of what Daniel saw in his dream and told Nebby about. Nebby was the head of it, so in a way I think it was an image of himself. (Pagan kings were known to deify themselves.) And we know that the beasts of Revelation are an echo of the beast kingdoms of man in Daniel. Beyond that I'm still waiting for understanding. And I do believe these are things which need to be revealed.

theologians like John MacArthur and David Jeremiah, along with traditional Christian interpretation, agree that the first beast of Revelation 13 and the "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 are the same—Antichrist.

Just 50 years ago, Revelation was hard to grasp, but with today’s technological advances, it’s clearer than ever. The outlines of a future where everyone is numbered, with a mark like a barcode or QR code on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16–17), were evident even 15 years ago.

What was less clear until recently was how the "image of the beast" could function:
"It was given power to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed" (Revelation 13:15).

How could it detect those who don’t worship it? Now, with AI, it’s obvious. I mentioned China’s AI surveillance tracking workers’ time at their desks. AI can monitor everyone—everywhere. Cameras will be at work, on streets, in homes. If someone flashes a Bible, makes the sign of the cross, or acts "suspiciously," AI will flag it and alert rapid response teams.

In the USSR, my grandmother hand-copied the Gospel into notebooks to share it, risking five years in a labor camp since possessing or distributing Bibles was harshly punished. Back then, tracking "secret Christians" was tough for authorities. Now, with AI and 24/7 surveillance, it’s effortless. No more "underground churches" or "handwritten presses." AI will see everything—no errors, no blind spots.

 

[soberxp]

theologians like John MacArthur and David Jeremiah, along with traditional Christian interpretation, agree that the first beast of Revelation 13 and the "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians 2:8 are the same—Antichrist.

Just 50 years ago, Revelation was hard to grasp, but with today’s technological advances, it’s clearer than ever. The outlines of a future where everyone is numbered, with a mark like a barcode or QR code on their right hand or forehead (Revelation 13:16–17), were evident even 15 years ago.

What was less clear until recently was how the "image of the beast" could function:
"It was given power to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed" (Revelation 13:15).

How could it detect those who don’t worship it? Now, with AI, it’s obvious. I mentioned China’s AI surveillance tracking workers’ time at their desks. AI can monitor everyone—everywhere. Cameras will be at work, on streets, in homes. If someone flashes a Bible, makes the sign of the cross, or acts "suspiciously," AI will flag it and alert rapid response teams.

In the USSR, my grandmother hand-copied the Gospel into notebooks to share it, risking five years in a labor camp since possessing or distributing Bibles was harshly punished. Back then, tracking "secret Christians" was tough for authorities. Now, with AI and 24/7 surveillance, it’s effortless. No more "underground churches" or "handwritten presses." AI will see everything—no errors, no blind spots.

China is not the Soviet Union, there is a difference, otherwise China would not have turned against the Soviet Union.

The collapse of the Soviet Union was largely due to confrontation with China.

If China is going to arrest some believers,That's because they have mixed politics in their faith,This is a worldly thing that faith should not touch....the Gospel is open for anyone.

The Gospel is for all people, even if he is a materialist, CPC.

 

[Chrysostomos]

China is not the Soviet Union, there is a difference, otherwise China would not have turned against the Soviet Union.

The collapse of the Soviet Union was largely due to confrontation with China.

If China is going to arrest some believers,That's because they have mixed politics in their faith,This is a worldly thing that faith should not touch....the Gospel is open for anyone.

The Gospel is for all people, even if he is a materialist, CPC.

I know China isn’t the USSR. China is run by the Chinese. In Russia, after the 1917 revolution, Jews came to power and then carried out the most massive genocide of Christians in history.
But soon, Israel will build the Third Temple, the Antichrist will come, and Jews will gain control over the entire world. Then they’ll do what they did in the USSR after 1917. They already have the experience, and now they have AI too.

 

[Chrysostomos]

The unbelieving Jews are lost...they are without God so they tend to do as the lost do. Trust too much in the arm of the flesh....wanting to micromanage and control everything to prevent another holocaust etc. This life is all they have, so they put all their considerable might and energies and efforts into the basket of this life, as it were. If we were in their shoes we would do the same...I mean actually we all were at one time in their shoes and living for this life. I observe how things are in a collective sense, but approach each one as an individual who needs the Lord.

I think maybe some of them might be descended from the Khazars, or partly, but not all of them. I used to work in a kosher Jewish health care facility for several years and getting to know them and going by discernment and how the Lord reached out to some of them, I'm quite certain they were counted by Him as descendants of the original Jews.

You’re right to highlight the urgency of these times, as Scripture warns:

"Rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short" (Revelation 12:12).

The question is: Why stand in Satan’s shoes, supporting his agenda?

 

[soberxp]

"Rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short" (Revelation 12:12).

Woe to the earth and the sea! The time is short. I thought this was saying that the time until the end of the world is short.

Devil wants to deceive people and turn them away from God, but he has never thought that the more he deceives people, the less time there is until the end of the world. If Devil wants to survive, the only way out is to stop deceiving people and lead them back to the path of obeying God's words—just as I said before.

Road follows the Nature which is the life itself.

The last day is the time God throw devil into the lake of fire.


The fact that you are talking about the Third Temple just happens to be within this time frame does not mean that they are demons, only Antichrist.

Aside from those who might be possessed by the devil.

 

[ScottA]

You raise a fascinating point about the "finished" nature of Israel’s role in biblical prophecy, and it ties into a broader question about the modern narrative of Jewish ingathering. I often hear from Zionists, MAGA supporters, and other religious folks that God is supposedly gathering Jews back to Israel from across the globe. Organizations like AIPAC likely pour millions into pushing this idea, and it works to an extent—people rarely dig into "authoritative" media claims and just take them at face value. But when you look at the actual data on repatriation to Israel, it raises some glaring questions that seem to sit in plain sight.

If God is truly orchestrating a global return of Jews to Israel, why does it look so selective? Why are 80% of repatriates (olim) coming primarily from former Soviet Union countries (CIS), like Russia and Ukraine, while other regions barely contribute? Take the period from 1991 to 2001: about 1 million olim arrived from the CIS, making up a staggering 90% of all repatriates. Of those, Russia accounted for 50%, Ukraine 30%, and other CIS countries 20%. Less than 10% came from places like the US or Western Europe during that time. If this is a divine plan to gather Jews from every corner of the earth, why is it so heavily skewed toward the CIS?

Even more curious is the case of the United States, where support for Israel is unmatched—politically, financially, and culturally. Yet, the number of American Jews making aliyah is surprisingly small. According to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) and Nefesh B’Nefesh, a group helping American Jews repatriate, only about 3,020 Americans moved to Israel in 2023 under the Law of Return. Compare that to the 5,000–6,000 Israelis who emigrated to the US in the same year, per CBS and USCIS data. That’s right—more Israelis are heading to the US than Americans are moving to Israel.

So, doesn’t this seem odd? If God’s plan is to gather Jews to Israel, why are the numbers so lopsided, with the CIS dominating repatriation and the US—home to millions of Jews—barely contributing? Why are more Jews leaving Israel for the US than vice versa? It makes you wonder if the narrative of a divine ingathering holds up or if something else, like economic or geopolitical factors, is driving these migration patterns.

Were Jews mostly scattered across the former Soviet Union countries?

Are there really so few Jews in the US, given that the percentage of repatriates from the US to Israel is so small, while more Jews are migrating from Israel to the US than from the US to Israel?

The timing of events is both revealing and confusing, by design. Revealing, because before God does anything, as it is written: before they springs forth, I tell you of them. But also confusing, because time is apart from God and subject to the terms of this world, of both light and darkness.

For instance, Jesus said "It is finished" regarding all He came to do regarding the house of Israel, and yet without consideration of time, i. e. with God, it is written that He was slain even "before the foundation of the world." Meaning, Jesus could have said "It is finished" at any time, and it would be true--except the time of his speaking the words was also the time the events were made manifest--in the fulness of time. Making the times simply a matter of their revealing to us living in our times in this world. All events then are like the events written in a book before it was ever read, that are only then revealed when they are. And we, thinking that the times of this world are the gauge and measure of all things, think that when [we] come upon the information, it is somehow more important than what is revealed, that was so even before we came to know of it--even before the world came into being.

Such are the terms and revelations of "time no longer" (Revelation 10:6).

 

[Chrysostomos]

That is the social credit score, mainly used for loans. If there is a bad loan record (e.g., failing to repay a large loan amount), high-value consumption will be restricted.

For example, limit the use of air, high-speed rail, but can take ordinary trains.

Few people use the digital yuan in their lives, as if it was for trade.

However, there is an "Avalon System" on social media platforms, which is used to evaluate comments and other content. For example, regarding topics that are likely to trigger gender confrontation, female users cannot see comments posted by male users, and male users cannot see those by female users. Some sharp comments will also be deleted. All these are results of the AI operation mode.

Thanks for clarifying on the social credit score.

But I’m still puzzled: you say it’s "mainly for loans," yet China’s system restricts travel (air and high-speed rail) and even housing rentals for low scores. In the US, credit scores (300–850) are purely financial, based on payment history, debts, and credit use, affecting only loans, cards, or insurance—they don’t block plane tickets.

In Ukraine, each bank has its own client rating, not shared across banks: one might approve a $100k credit line based on its internal rating, while another could block all accounts, including basic debit cards, for unpaid debts—but no bank in Ukraine restricts buying plane tickets or renting housing due to credit ratings.

So, how does China’s system jump from loans to banning tickets or rentals? It feels like it’s not just credit but behavioral control with real-life penalties.

Is it expanding beyond debt into broader social monitoring?

It seems like someone’s not telling the whole story here.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Woe to the earth and the sea! The time is short. I thought this was saying that the time until the end of the world is short.

Devil wants to deceive people and turn them away from God, but he has never thought that the more he deceives people, the less time there is until the end of the world. If Devil wants to survive, the only way out is to stop deceiving people and lead them back to the path of obeying God's words—just as I said before.

Road follows the Nature which is the life itself.

The last day is the time God throw devil into the lake of fire.


The fact that you are talking about the Third Temple just happens to be within this time frame does not mean that they are demons, only Antichrist.

Aside from those who might be possessed by the devil.

You say that discussing the Third Temple in this time frame doesn’t make its supporters demons, only the Antichrist, unless they’re possessed by the devil.

But Jesus Himself clarifies who they are in John 8:44: “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.”
Those pushing the Third Temple reject Christ as Messiah and promote sacrifices that deny His finished work, aligning with the Antichrist’s agenda (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4). If they follow the devil’s will, not God’s, why should Christians support their efforts?

 

[Lizbeth]

You’re right to highlight the urgency of these times, as Scripture warns:

"Rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short" (Revelation 12:12).

The question is: Why stand in Satan’s shoes, supporting his agenda?

I think it's a mixture of good and evil. After the horrors and cruelty of the holocaust, as well as the antisemitism they often encounter in the diaspora generally, it is a "good" thing for the Jews to have their own homeland. I wouldn't want to stand in their way, and they are loved on account of the patriarchs. And God has apparently permitted it....He is the one who raises and lowers kings and kingdoms in His sovereignty. But the "evil" side of it, is how the devil may use it. Ultimately nothing will stop what has been prophesied....the Lord watches over His word to perform it. But idolizing the Jews/Israel is a deception and a snare...spiritually dangerous to the believer and not at all spiritually helpful to unbelieving Jews.

The bible is clear that we are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, and friendship with the world is enmity with God.