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[Earburner]

Earburner, you can stop tagging me, I am not interested with this back and forth and what you are wresting with here

Not a problem. I don't intend to reply to only one person, I am replying to the potential audience that comes along.

My only point in all of this is to scripturally disprove the erroneous belief of TWO witnesses that are to come in the future, when in reality they CAME already, being John the Baptist and Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If Jesus didn't "finish" the six works of God in the midst (1260 days) of the 70th week, then WHO did???

nobody. they are yet to be fulfilled! They are for Israel and Jerusalem to complete, not Jesus! that is what is written. It takes the Holy spirit to know and believe what is written, and not some made up secret code and then blame the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I am simply heeding and applying the words of the Holy Spirit through Paul in 1 Cor. 2:
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might KNOW the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The words that are written must be discerned, not rewrite them to mean something other than the plain words written. You make it as though the inspired writers wrote in code and people had to pray and fast to figure it out!

Jesus was anointed by God the Father Himself, when He came to the other Witness, John the Baptist, and was baptized by him, in which the Holy Spirit of God Himself descended upon Jesus.

Sorry, but you are confusing the ondwelling of the Holy spirit with an anointing they are two totally seperate things.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Your perspective is more Jewish than you realize.
For every born again Christian, the six works of God were finished by Jesus, and the results are applied to all who come to repentance and believe in Jesus, "who finished the work that God gave him to do".

Sorry again but God made it very clear that teh six works in Daniel 9 belong to Israel and Jerusalem, not the church!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You are being very Pharisaical.
I am not taking away any literal words from the book of Revelation, nor am I adding any literal new words to it.

Please discern and digest the following:
2 Cor. 3
[5] Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[6] Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

So now Paul's letters killeth as well! Wow you are filled with all sorts of reinterpretations.

You do not even know what the it means to say the letter killeth and the spirit giveth life.

And yes you are adding to teh word of God when you reinterpret passages from their written meaning.

 

[Earburner]

nobody. they are yet to be fulfilled! They are for Israel and Jerusalem to complete, not Jesus! that is what is written. It takes the Holy spirit to know and believe what is written, and not some made up secret code and then blame the Holy Spirit.

And how do you get 70x7=490 years to stretch out to be into the future of our day, when the 490 years began at the time of the giving of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem in the days of king Artaxerxes, 483 years before the Messiah Jesus appeared.
Dan. 9[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem UNTO the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two [69×7=483 yrs.]: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Jesus appeared as the Messiah at the beginning of the 70th week in which He was crucified in the midst of that 70th week.
I quote:
"Because the Lord had inclined Artaxerxes’ heart toward the Jews, they were able to repair the walls in record time: a total of 52 days (Nehemiah 6:15). God’s people were officially reestablished in the land God had given them so long ago. Artaxerxes’ decree to rebuild Jerusalem fulfilled part of Daniel’s “70 Weeks” prophecy and set the prophetic clock ticking down to the time of the Messiah (Daniel 9:25)."
Note: please study KJV ONLY.

Who was Artaxerxes in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

Who was Artaxerxes in the Bible? What can we learn from what the Bible says about Artaxerxes?

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WHAT are YOU DOING WITH the 70th week, that TELLS YOU that the 70th wk. IS STILL FUTURE??
Who said that church-ianity and you could move the 70th week of 7 years, 2025 years out into the far future??

 

[Earburner]

So now Paul's letters killeth as well! Wow you are filled with all sorts of reinterpretations.

You do not even know what the it means to say the letter killeth and the spirit giveth life.

And yes you are adding to teh word of God when you reinterpret passages from their written meaning.

I am doing exactly what the Holy Spirit said through Paul of how we are to study God's words in 1 Cor. ch. 2......
[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might KNOW the THINGS that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which THINGS also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but [that] which the Holy Ghost TEACHETH; COMPARING spiritual THINGS with spiritual.

 

[marks]

Church-ianity, is the religion of Christianity.

While that seems like a silly statement to me, I realize you are trying to bolster your claims by taking down the Church a notch.

What does that have to do with me and this discussion?

Much love!

 

[marks]

It could mean, "If I cannot help you with my super spiritual powers, there are no other powers in the name of Christ-ianity that can help you either.

In short, that could just mean

Without him you are without any sort hope.

That's what it sounds like. I think he may try to explain. We'll see.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Thank you for copying and pasting the whole of my comment in your reply.

As for your subtil implication of Gal. 5:22-23 towards me, please don't think that you measure up to the fullness of that stature more than me.
Particularly, Jesus did not share loving words towards the Pharisees.

When you deflect into ad hominems, the discussion is pretty much over. And it's not spiritual.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And how do you get 70x7=490 years to stretch out to be into the future of our day, when the 490 years began at the time of the giving of the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem in the days of king Artaxerxes, 483 years before the Messiah Jesus appeared.
Dan. 9[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem UNTO the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two [69×7=483 yrs.]: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. Jesus appeared as the Messiah at the beginning of the 70th week in which He was crucified in the midst of that 70th week.
I quote:
"Because the Lord had inclined Artaxerxes’ heart toward the Jews, they were able to repair the walls in record time: a total of 52 days (Nehemiah 6:15). God’s people were officially reestablished in the land God had given them so long ago. Artaxerxes’ decree to rebuild Jerusalem fulfilled part of Daniel’s “70 Weeks” prophecy and set the prophetic clock ticking down to the time of the Messiah (Daniel 9:25)."
Note: please study KJV ONLY.

You are confusing the Jeremiah return to build the temple under Artexerxes with the order to erbuild the city under Crus the Great c. 437B.C.

I study KJV, Greek and Hebrew as well as history. Try it sometime! See if a prophecy has been fulfilled, we can find it in history somewhere and point to it and Go- there it is!

And remember the prince of Daniel 9 is the antichrist- not Jesus Christ!

WHAT are YOU DOING WITH the 70th week, that TELLS YOU that the 70th wk. IS STILL FUTURE??
Who said that church-ianity and you could move the 70th week of 7 years, 2025 years out into the far future??

Nobody told me or untold legions of other believers you refer to as Churchianity (BTW you still haven't said if you are part of a local assembly under a pastor teacher or simply a rogue rebellious Churchite)

The bible and history tell me!

You have rewritten Scripture to satisfy defending your false doctrine. You have 486 1/2 literal years, then make the last 3 1/2 years stretch for 2000 years! If you are going to say I am wrong- you are the pot calling the kettle black!

 

[Earburner]

While that seems like a silly statement to me, I realize you are trying to bolster your claims by taking down the Church a notch.

What does that have to do with me and this discussion?

Much love!

The religion of church-ianity is dependant upon the wisdom of men through their denominational Bible colleges, of which for years have generated and have set in the visible churches many biblical historicists, who "have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof".
Satan's logic is: if he can deceive thousands of Bible scholars and teachers,
who are approved of by MEN, he can deceive millions through them.

Though the Pharisees were very well schooled in the Torah, they were extremely lacking of understanding by the Holy Spirit!!
Therefore, anyone who is a Pastor/Biblical teacher in a denomination, who is not born again, they are an unsaved religionist and are a modern day Pharisee.

 

[Earburner]

When you deflect into ad hominems, the discussion is pretty much over. And it's not spiritual.

Much love!

Make it out to be what you want. I see nothing biblically constructive coming from your camp, except humanistic psychological judgments, that mean nothing.

 

[marks]

The religion of church-ianity is dependant upon the wisdom of men through their denominational Bible colleges, of which for years have generated and have set in the visible churches many biblical historicists, who "have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof".
Satan's logic is: if he can deceive thousands of Bible scholars and teachers,
who are approved of by MEN, he can deceive millions through them.

Though the Pharisees were very well schooled in the Torah, they were extremely lacking of understanding by the Holy Spirit!!
Therefore, anyone who is a Pastor/Biblical teacher in a denomination, who is not born again, they are an unsaved religionist and are a modern day Pharisee.

So then nothing to do with me, just casting aspersions. Not relevant.

Thank you for clarifying.

Much love!

 

[marks]

from your camp,

My camp? Do you mean the stereotype you've constructed in your mind into which you cast everyone who thinks differently than you?

Hmm.

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

So then nothing to do with me, just casting aspersions. Not relevant.

Thank you for clarifying.

Much love!

Your comments/replies are still short blurbs, void of anything biblical.

My camp? Do you mean the stereotype you've constructed in your mind into which you cast everyone who thinks differently than you?

Hmm.

Much love!

Do you not see what you do? You intentionally take my words and attempt to make a psychological quagmire out of it. To me it's nothing but a humanistic judgment by "the wisdom of men".

 

[Earburner]

You are confusing the Jeremiah return to build the temple under Artexerxes with the order to erbuild the city under Crus the Great c. 437B.C.

I am not attempting to cherry pick dates among numerous histories recalled of men 3000 years later.
The scriptural focus is: WHEN the commandment was given to rebuild the temple. I provided the correct event for that.
Here it is again: "Artaxerxes’ decree to rebuild Jerusalem fulfilled part of Daniel’s “70 Weeks” prophecy and set the prophetic clock ticking down to the time of the [first appearance of the] Messiah (Daniel 9:25)."

I study KJV, Greek and Hebrew as well as history. Try it sometime! See if a prophecy has been fulfilled, we can find it in history somewhere and point to it and Go- there it is!

And remember the prince of Daniel 9 is the antichrist- not Jesus Christ!

Ahhh... yes, the doctrinal error in the extreme of Pre-millennialism!
THERE IS NO "THE" Antichrist revealed or spoken of in KJV Dan. ch.9.
In fact, in all of the KJV, you will NEVER find church-ianity's words: "THE" Antichrist.

Nobody told me or untold legions of other believers you refer to as Churchianity

Many have been duped by Premil. thinking for many, many years. As false at it is, it's now a common way of believing in the return of Jesus, which is NOT according to 2 Thes. 1:7-10 of the KJV.

(BTW you still haven't said if you are part of a local assembly under a pastor teacher or simply a rogue rebellious Churchite)

You can be sure that I do not forsake the assembly of myself with local born again believers, in a local well known denominational church.

The bible and history tell me!

Good, but I think the Premil view has corrupted your end time view, according to the many churches who have accepted that false doctrine.

You have rewritten Scripture to satisfy defending your false doctrine. You have 486 1/2 literal years, then make the last 3 1/2 years stretch for 2000 years! If you are going to say I am wrong- you are the pot calling the kettle black!

I have rewritten nothing. I am equally allowed to have interpretation as you do!!

I do not put anything of Dan. 9:24-27 into the future, past the 7.0 years of the 70th week, wherein Jesus confirmed the [New] covenant and NOT the old.
The first 3.5 years was in His mortal flesh to the disciples, and then after His mortal death and resurrection, the remaining 3.5 years He went by his Holy Spirit to the Apostles and the early church, in which Paul the Apostle is our witness, while on the road to Damascus.

You and all could understand those two 3.5 yr. periods being together totalling 7.0 years, IF YOU would understand that the first coming /appearance of Christ was being held as a SECRET by God the Father. Therefore He could not give the slightest hint in written words of WHEN exactly that would be, when Jesus should appear. But, to His OC saints, such as Simeon, God kept them faithful in looking for Him. Luke 25-35.

So then, here we are again in 1 Cor. ch. 2 learning more Truth:
1 Cor. 2[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

In other words: IF Jesus was allowed to die a natural death, there would never be again the Perfect Sacrifice of Jesus, the Lamb of God, "to FINISH the transgression" (Dan. 9:24) of Adam, which we all have inherited!!
Therefore, if there was no sacrificial death, by Jesus shedding His innocent blood, then there would be no forgiveness of sins, and for sure, there would be NO GIFT of Eternal life to anyone.

 

[No Pre-TB]

And remember the prince of Daniel 9 is the antichrist- not Jesus Christ!

The prophecy was for the coming of Messiah, the prince. Contextually, the only prince who is to come is the same one in the passage, Messiah the prince. There is no other Prince listed. And the covenant made, the word for covenant is only used as Gods covenant in the Bible, never a covenant between mankind and man. Never of Gentiles and a community. You’d see that in the Greek. And the same prophecy has Christ die “after” the 69th week. What week comes after 69?

 

[marks]

Your comments/replies are still short blurbs, void of anything biblical.

Make it out to be what you want. I see nothing biblically constructive coming from your camp, except humanistic psychological judgments, that mean nothing.

Having discussion is one thing, but look at your posts to me. You are addressing your own stereotype. Call it what you want. It's meaningless.

So enough of that.

Much love!

 

[Earburner]

Having discussion is one thing, but look at your posts to me. You are addressing your own stereotype. Call it what you want. It's meaningless.

So enough of that.

Much love!

Being myself the OP, I have been waiting for our discussion to continue!!
What do you agree/disagree with biblically, in what I have recently posted?