WHY JESUS AND THE TWELVE APOSTLES DID NOT PREACH THE CROSS

[Davy]

You are creating your own scripture, one that says the blood of the cross can be found in what Peter said, but he didn't say it. He didnt say it, but the idea of it is there. You are making scripture say something it doesn't to fit your doctrine and the doctrine of other men.

I noticed how you just ignored this comment from me

The crucifixion of Christ is about His Blood shed upon His cross for the remission of sins, for those who believe. That is what Peter taught before Paul did, as witnessed in Acts 10 & 11, as I have shown.

 

[Doug]

Even Satan correctly quoted Psalms 91:11-12 in Luke 4 when tempting Jesus, EXCEPT for one little added phrase; "lest at any time," which added phrase by Satan has been removed from many English Bible translations (but not from the KJV).

Thus even Christ's enemies know enough of what The Bible says in order to twist its meanings.

Then you cant be sure of anything you believe or profess
The scripture can be used Biblically but not dispensational

 

[Davy]

Then you cant be sure of anything you believe or profess
The scripture can be used Biblically but not dispensational

Sorry the Scriptures I showed you that you have a problem with. Your problem is with The LORD and HIS WORD, and not with me. I only showed you the Scripture proof. So your FAKE CREDIBILITY ATTACKS don't work, but shows The LORD your rebelliousness against HIS Word. And He sees it too! Don't think He doesn't.

 

[Doug]

It means a WHOLE LOT, simply because the false Pre-trib Rapture theory which Darby started, and even compiled his study Bible on, has made hundreds of thousands of believers to stop listening to Lord Jesus' and His warning SIGNS He gave the Church for the end of this world. It has instead led them away from preparing for Lord Jesus' future coming, and possibly being deceived by the false-Messiah who comes first.

At this point let me digress. I know we are at odds per se but, at least from my end, I benefit from our exchanges and respect you.

I don't think it crucial to agree on anything about the rapture for fellowship. That said I dont see how thinking we arent going thru the tribulation would keep one from listening to the Lord. We have all our doctrine in Paul's epistles.

 

[Doug]

The crucifixion of Christ is about His Blood shed upon His cross for the remission of sins, for those who believe. That is what Peter taught before Paul did, as witnessed in Acts 10 & 11, as I have shown.

Ok Davy
I am not going to press this. I showed to my recollection how Peter didnt preach the cross to you
I am curious why there is such resistance among others, not just you, to not consider what I present.
Does this threaten our pride, I can get it and dont condemn it, we all are subject to pride. We dont want to be wrong.
Does it threaten the social aspect of your church if your church teachings are questioned? I get that too if thats the cause
Does it threaten the teachings of your beloved pastor if you see things differently from scripture?
I wonder

 

[ProverbsInPink]

[1Corinthians 2:7-8 KJV] 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

There are those who say that Peter and the disciples all preached the same gospel. They say they preached the cross for eternal salvation for all who believe.

This verse has implications to those who hold this view.

If Peter and the disciples did preach the cross, then all that the cross accomplished would have been made known, and they would not have crucified Christ.

According to scripture Peter and the disciples could not have preached the cross because they didn't understand anything about his death and resurrection...............[Mark 9:31-32 KJV] 31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. 32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

Jesus did not preach the cross for salvation. Jesus privately told the disciples that he would be put to death and rise again to fulfill all that was written in the prophets.................[Luke 24:44 KJV] 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.

Jesus did not preach the cross. Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom..........[Matthew 4:23 KJV] 23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

He,they,didn't preach the cross because the cross is our invention as pertains to how Jesus was hanged.

Hanging or hanged,is the term most commonly used in Jesus day to describe what we know as crucifixion. Rome adopted this gruesome practice from the Carthaginians.
This was a gruesome long suffering humiliating way to die. Women were not exempt. However, Roman citizens were prohibited from being crucified due to the savagery entailed.

However the implement used to accomplish this in the case of Jesus is not described in the record.

So,no Jesus nor his Disciples would have preached about the cross because what saved through the Gospel was Jesus death itself. He being the propitiation for our sins, a sacrificial ransom to pay for the Sins of God's Elect.

The weapon used isn't important. The sacrifice is.

 

[Doug]

You are only straining at a gnat, because Peter of course included the idea of Christ's crucifixion, which automatically includes Christ's Blood shed upon the cross for the remission of sins.

Davy I dont remember the core of our back and forth discussions. What was the main issue of our disagreements? I dont recollect.
I picked this one as the most significant. I only want people to see what the scripture is saying. At worst if our gospel is not understood to be believed for salvation thats the main issue.
Peter did not preach the blood of the cross for salvation in Acts 2, plain and simple,
Please just show me a plain verse where he did.

 

[Davy]

Davy I dont remember the core of our back and forth discussions. What was the main issue of our disagreements? I dont recollect.
I picked this one as the most significant. I only want people to see what the scripture is saying. At worst if our gospel is not understood to be believed for salvation thats the main issue.
Peter did not preach the blood of the cross for salvation in Acts 2, plain and simple,
Please just show me a plain verse where he did.

Post 126 reveals you have worn out your 'cross' debate attempts that you only picked up from men's doctrines. So give it up, you have left common sense in The Word.

 

[Doug]

Post 126 reveals you have worn out your 'cross' debate attempts that you only picked up from men's doctrines. So give it up, you have left common sense in The Word.

Ok
It is plain that you arent able to give a clear verse where Peter preaches the blood death and resurrection for the salvation of all because there isnt one

 

[Davy]

Ok
It is plain that you arent able to give a clear verse where Peter preaches the blood death and resurrection for the salvation of all because there isnt one

I have shown the Bible Scripture proof about Peter, but you REJECT The Word of God on that and now you are bearing FALSE WITNESS. May God rebuke you, in the Name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Doug]

I have shown the Bible Scripture proof about Peter, but you REJECT The Word of God on that and now you are bearing FALSE WITNESS. May God rebuke you, in the Name of Jesus Christ.

If you had I couldnt say there isnt one
Plain and simple all the passages that record what Peter preaches he never preaches Christ's blood death or resurrection for salvation for all

 

[Davy]

If you had I couldnt say there isnt one
Plain and simple all the passages that record what Peter preaches he never preaches Christ's blood death or resurrection for salvation for all

DON'T BOTHER ME;

YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT @LoveYeshua has already told you about the doctrines of men that have led you astray.