The Mark of the Beast is here!

[Ronald Nolette]

I am not attempting to cherry pick dates among numerous histories recalled of men 3000 years later.
The scriptural focus is: WHEN the commandment was given to rebuild the temple. I provided the correct event for that.
Here it is again: "Artaxerxes’ decree to rebuild Jerusalem fulfilled part of Daniel’s “70 Weeks” prophecy and set the prophetic clock ticking down to the time of the [first appearance of the] Messiah (Daniel 9:25)."

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The bible shows you wrong!

Ahhh... yes, the doctrinal error in the extreme of Pre-millennialism!
THERE IS NO "THE" Antichrist revealed or spoken of in KJV Dan. ch.9.
In fact, in all of the KJV, you will NEVER find church-ianity's words: "THE" Antichrist.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

And as "antichristos" is a nominative, masculine, singular, it refers to a specific individual! So0 adding "the" is correct proer transdlation from koine to English.

Many have been duped by Premil. thinking for many, many years. As false at it is, it's now a common way of believing in the return of Jesus, which is NOT according to 2 Thes. 1:7-10 of the KJV.

Premil thinking is still the minority position in Christianity. The most popular are amil or post mil. And sorry but 1 Thess. and REv 19 picture the return of Jesus which is post 70th week. And I have used the KJV for over 40 years.

You can be sure that I do not forsake the assembly of myself with local born again believers, in a local well known denominational church.

So you are part of churchianity then! Congrats. I am SBC which sect are you?

Good, but I think the Premil view has corrupted your end time view, according to the many churches who have accepted that false doctrine.

Actually before I was even part of a belieivng church ( I was Roman Catholic when I got saved) I spent three years alone with SCripture. I was post mil and through studying the Bible and then comparing the various eschatological schools of thinking, I became pre trib premil.

I have rewritten nothing. I am equally allowed to have interpretation as you do!!

I do not put anything of Dan. 9:24-27 into the future, past the 7.0 years of the 70th week, wherein Jesus confirmed the [New] covenant and NOT the old.
The first 3.5 years was in His mortal flesh to the disciples, and then after His mortal death and resurrection, the remaining 3.5 years He went by his Holy Spirit to the Apostles and the early church, in which Paul the Apostle is our witness, while on the road to Damascus.

You can't even see that yu have made 486 1/2 years literal and then the last 3 1/2 years allegorical! You have your 3 1/2 years going into the present! And no Jesus did not make a covenant. He presented the price of the covenant. Also He is not the ruler of the people who came and destroyed the sanctuary! Your grammar and hermeneutic and exegesis is failing badly.

You and all could understand those two 3.5 yr. periods being together totalling 7.0 years, IF YOU would understand that the first coming /appearance of Christ was being held as a SECRET by God the Father. Therefore He could not give the slightest hint in written words of WHEN exactly that would be, when Jesus should appear. But, to His OC saints, such as Simeon, God kept them faithful in looking for Him. Luke 25-35.

Sorry but when Jesus made Himself known, there was great Messianic fervor in Israel. They knew Daniels prophetic timeclock and were looking for the Messiah! God did not pronounce the exact day- but Israel knew messiah was at hand!

So then, here we are again in 1 Cor. ch. 2 learning more Truth:
1 Cor. 2[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

In other words: there would never be again the Perfect Sacrifice of Jesus, the Lamb of God, "to FINISH the transgression" (Dan. 9:24) of Adam, which we all have inherited!!

Yes the price of salvation has been finished (paid in full) But what jesus did on the cross is not the fulfilment of Danile 9:24-27 they are different topics with different finshes.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The prophecy was for the coming of Messiah, the prince. Contextually, the only prince who is to come is the same one in the passage, Messiah the prince. There is no other Prince listed. And the covenant made, the word for covenant is only used as Gods covenant in the Bible, never a covenant between mankind and man. Never of Gentiles and a community. You’d see that in the Greek. And the same prophecy has Christ die “after” the 69th week. What week comes after 69?

You fail in grammar here.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

The "he" of verse 27 must refer back to its nearest antecedent in both number, and gender. This would be the prince of the people who would destroy the sanctuary. It takes an allegorical reinterpretation to make Jesus that ruler. Prince is "nagid" . while Jesus also here is nagid which would be defined as noble, the prince of the destruction would be translated as military commander which is exactly who Titus was in 70AD.

Jesus will be a military commander when He returns to earth after the 70th week is completed.

 

[Earburner]

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

The bible shows you wrong!

You are not understanding anything here, nor are you telling me anything thats news to me AT ALL!!
What did you think I said???
Go back and READ what I wrote again

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

That has nothing to do with Daniel at all!

And as "antichristos" is a nominative, masculine, singular, it refers to a specific individual! So0 adding "the" is correct proer transdlation from koine to English.

Well of course. That right there would be according to "the wisdom of men". The exact same way the Pharisees interpreted the OT.
Without the Holy Spirit, is how Bible scholars interpret the Bible. Back to 1 Cor. ch. 2:5

Premil thinking is still the minority position in Christianity. The most popular are amil or post mil. And sorry but 1 Thess. and REv 19 picture the return of Jesus which is post 70th week. And I have used the KJV for over 40 years.

By the Holy Spirit, I STRONGLY disagree!!
The 70th week was FINISHED by Jesus 3.5 years AFTER His Resurrection!! Please think that through. That is 3.5 years with the early church, which is when Jesus revealed Himself to Paul while traveling on the road to Damascus. Paul is our witness that Jesus was working with the early church, CONFIRMING THE NEW Covenant.
It is at that time the 70th week was completed. Not in some far off future after our year of Oct. 2025.

So you are part of churchianity then! Congrats. I am SBC which sect are you?

Wrong approach and a wrong attitude.

I am a born again Christian, "a new creature [creation] in Christ Jesus", and where ever God would lead me to work among the assembly of born again Christians, for the furtherance of the Gospel message to the unsaved, and to help in the edification of my fellow brethren, the Saints.... that's where I will be.

Actually before I was even part of a belieivng church ( I was Roman Catholic when I got saved) I spent three years alone with SCripture. I was post mil and through studying the Bible and then comparing the various eschatological schools of thinking, I became pre trib premil.

You can't even see that yu have made 486 1/2 years literal and then the last 3 1/2 years allegorical! You have your 3 1/2 years going into the present! And no Jesus did not make a covenant. He presented the price of the covenant. Also He is not the ruler of the people who came and destroyed the sanctuary! Your grammar and hermeneutic and exegesis is failing badly.

Sorry but when Jesus made Himself known, there was great Messianic fervor in Israel. They knew Daniels prophetic timeclock and were looking for the Messiah! God did not pronounce the exact day- but Israel knew messiah was at hand!

Yes the price of salvation has been finished (paid in full) But what jesus did on the cross is not the fulfilment of Danile 9:24-27 they are different topics with different finshes.

Sorry, you are so buried by the indoctrination of church-ianity, you are now thinking that their preconceived ideas is of the Holy Spirit, when all it is, is "the wisdom of men", just like the Pharisees.
Again more truth from1Cor. 2:5, which WARNS US of where our faith should NOT stand!!

 

[Earburner]

Sorry but when Jesus made Himself known, there was great Messianic fervor in Israel. They knew Daniels prophetic timeclock and were looking for the Messiah! God did not pronounce the exact day- but Israel knew messiah was at hand!

Please Ref. my post #217.
Still, you are misunderstanding the thrust of the reason WHY God the Father kept it a SECRET of when His Son was going to be manifested in the world.
Rom.16[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept SECRET since the world began,

1Cor.2[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would NOT have crucified the Lord of glory.
Do you understand that?

However, God was keeping the faithful of Israel (such as Simeon) to continue in faith WAITING for the Messiah, "the Promise which was to come" after the 69th week of Daniel, being that of the beginning of the 70th week of SEVEN (7) YEARS.
IN THAT time of seven (7) years, Jesus CONFIRMED the [NEW] covenant with His disciples for 3.5 years, then AFTER His crucifixion and resurrection, He continued CONFIRMING the [NEW] covenant
TO THE EARLY CHURCH
for the remaining 3.5 years of that 70th week of SEVEN (7) YEARS, wherein the 70th week then ENDED, was "SEALED UP", ....."FINISHED", completed "even UNTO the consummation", aka the end of time. KJV Dan. 9:24-27.
Please see my post #217.

I repeat:
The 70th week WAS Jesus confirming the NC for 3.5 yrs to the disciples and then the remaining 3.5 yrs to the early church.
3.5+3.5= 7.0 years in the 70th week

 

[Lizbeth]

Mat. 25
[1] Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
[2] And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[3] They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
[4] But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[5] While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
[6] And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
[7] Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
[8] And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
[9] But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
[10] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
[11] Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
[12] But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
[13] Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mark 13
[31] Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
[33] Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
[34] For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
[35] Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
[36] Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
[37] And what I say unto you, I say unto all, Watch.

But what does it mean to watch? Jesus told His disciples in Gethsemane to "watch with me", but they fell asleep instead of being in prayer. And it says elsewhere to "watch unto prayer". So watching is not about being focused on and on top of everything that this world is getting up to. And being a "watchman" means one is positioned in a watchtower ABOVE this world. We are not wrestling with flesh and blood, but with powers and principalities in high places. Keeping our eyes on the Lord and looking to Him means we are well positioned for Him to lead and guide and navigate us through whatever outward circumstances there are in this world. We're to walk by faith, not by sight.

 

[Lizbeth]

That's correct. We must understand that prophetic events and situations is realism that becomes recorded history and not fabrications by religious spin "Doctors of Divinity", aka church-ianity.

For all of that, even Pastors of churches should take heed of why they themselves and some of their members will fall away, thus fulfilling 2 Thes. 2[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Edit:
Btw, Though most would not agree with me in my interpretation of how 2 Thes. 2:3 should be read and applied, I no longer view the words: "that man of sin", "the son of perdition", "the natural man" as being in the singular, but rather in the PLURAL.
Fact: Judas Iscarriot is not the only "son of perdition". Since that is the case, then we can safely say that every unsaved man is "the son of perdition", "that man of sin", who are "the natural man".

Even the words: "that spirit of antichrist" is that singular spirit of satan, who enters and infects many (plural) of the unsaved who then become "many antichrists".
Therefore, in the KJV, one will not find the words "THE Antichrist" written together. However, many of the newer Bible versions blatantly insert it to be so.

It seems there are repeating patterns or manifestations where universal truths are concerned. But I believe there will be a final antichrist at the end of this age. And bearing in mind that the man of sin must be "revealed".....to me that means God has to reveal him to us, we aren't going to figure it out and nail it with our natural eyes. There is such a thing as deception.....we always need the LORD to keep us from being deceived, or to rescue us out of a deception if we have wandered into one.

 

[Earburner]

But what does it mean to watch? Jesus told His disciples in Gethsemane to "watch with me", but they fell asleep instead of being in prayer. And it says elsewhere to "watch unto prayer". So watching is not about being focused on and on top of everything that this world is getting up to. And being a "watchman" means one is positioned in a watchtower ABOVE this world. We are not wrestling with flesh and blood, but with powers and principalities in high places. Keeping our eyes on the Lord and looking to Him means we are well positioned for Him to lead and guide and navigate us through whatever outward circumstances there are in this world. We're to walk by faith, not by sight.

Fot us to "watch" today, is to simply be "aware" that after 2025 years, we are in the time when we can "see the Day approaching". Everyone who is born Again of God's Holy Spirit IS MADE TO BE READY.

Therefore, for all others, they will be consumed by the cares of this world ("unaware"), when Jesus suddenly returns in flaming fire (2 Thes. 1:7-10; Luke 17:28-30), it will be too late for them.

 

[HealthyShape]

Fot us to "watch" today, is to be simply "aware" that after 2025 years we are in the time when we can "see the Day approaching".

Heb 10:25 was not written in 2025.

"...you see the Day approaching..."
Heb 10:25

 

[Lizbeth]

Fot us to "watch" today, is to be simply "aware" that after 2025 years we are in the time when we can "see the Day approaching". Everyone who is born Again of God's Holy Spirit IS MADE TO BE READY.

Therefore, for all others, they will be consumed by the cares of this world ("unaware"), when Jesus suddenly returns in flaming fire (2 Thes. 1:7-10), it will be too late for them.

It's those cares of this world that distracts the church and keeps it from "watching unto prayer". Jesus said to worry not for the morrow for sufficient unto the day are the evils thereof. He leads us and guides us day by day if we remain prayerful and looking to Him. He is the one who will tell us and show us anything we need to know. And the Day is approaching for each one of us individually regardless, as has been mentioned. Down through history many many more individual souls have died than who will be alive at the end of this age.

What we mainly need to be aware of is that this world tends to evil and that the way that seemeth right to man leads to death. Regardless of what this world is dishing up in one's individual lifetime at any place or time in history we are to be watchful and obedient to the Lord. That's what our "lamps" are for.

Here is an example of watching:

Psa 123:2
Behold, as the eyes of servants look unto the hand of their masters, and as the eyes of a maiden unto the hand of her mistress; so our eyes wait upon the LORD our God, until that he have mercy upon us.

Keeping our eyes fixed above, on Him.

 

[Earburner]

Heb 10:25 was not written in 2025.

"...you see the Day approaching..."
Heb 10:25

What??
Please read my post #227 again of what I wrote.

It's those cares of this world that distracts the church and keeps it from "watching unto prayer". Jesus said to worry not for the morrow for sufficient unto the day are the evils thereof. He leads us and guides us day by day if we remain prayerful and looking to Him. He is the one who will tell us and show us anything we need to know. And the Day is approaching for each one of us individually regardless, as has been mentioned. Down through history many many more individual souls have died than who will be alive at the end of this age.

What we mainly need to be aware of is that this world tends to evil and that the way that seemeth right to man leads to death. Regardless of what this world is dishing up in one's individual lifetime at any place or time in history we are to be watchful and obedient to the Lord. That's what our "lamps" are for.

Here is an example of watching:

Psa 123:2
Behold, as the eyes of servants look unto the hand of their masters, and as the eyes of a maiden unto the hand of her mistress; so our eyes wait upon the LORD our God, until that he have mercy upon us.

Keeping our eyes fixed above, on

Its simple enough. Don't over talk the topic, thus making mountains out of Mole hills.

 

[No Pre-TB]

You fail in grammar here.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease

The "he" of verse 27 must refer back to its nearest antecedent in both number, and gender. This would be the prince of the people who would destroy the sanctuary. It takes an allegorical reinterpretation to make Jesus that ruler. Prince is "nagid" . while Jesus also here is nagid which would be defined as noble, the prince of the destruction would be translated as military commander which is exactly who Titus was in 70AD.

Jesus will be a military commander when He returns to earth after the 70th week is completed.

Do you think I missed that?

captain, chief, excellent thing, chief governor, leader, noble, prince, chief ruler

from nagad; a commander (as occupying the front), civil, military or religious;


Brown-Driver-Briggs
נָגִיד noun masculine leader (literally probably one in front), ruler, prince; — absolute ׳נ 1 Samuel 9:16 31t.; construct (נְגִד) נְגִיד 2 Kings 20:5 6t.; plural נְגִידִים Job 29:10 3t.; נְגִידֵי2Chronicles 35:8; — ruler, prince Psalm 76:13; Proverbs 28:16; Job 29:10; Job 31:37 (in simile). Especially
1 of king of Israel: of Saul עַל ׳מָשַׁח לְנ (+ accusative of person), 1 Samuel 9:16 (subject prophet), compare of Solomon, subject people, 1 Chronicles 29:22; 1 Chronicles 10:1 (subject ׳י); of David עַל ׳צִוָּהוּ לְנ 1 Samuel 13:14; 1 Samuel 25:30, עַל צִוָּהוּ ׳נ 2 Samuel 6:21 (in these ׳י subject), על ׳היה לנ 2 Samuel 5:2, על ׳היה נ 2 Samuel 7:8; 1 Chronicles 11:2; 1 Chronicles 17:7; compare also 1 Chronicles 5:2; 2Chronicles 6:5; of David also ׳לְ ׳נָתַן נ Isaiah 55:4; of Solomon צִוָּה אֹתוֺ על ׳לִהְיוֺת נ 1 Kings 1:35 (׳י subject); of Jeroboam על ׳נתן נ ( + accusative of person) 1 Kings 14:7 (׳י subject); so 1 Kings 16:2 of Baasha; of Hezekiah עַָמִּי ׳נְ 2 Kings 20:5; הֶעֱמִיד בְּאֶחָיו ׳לְנ ( + accusative of person) 2 Chronicles 11:22 (of Abijah, subject Rehob.); of Judah 1 Chronicles 28:4.

2 of a foreign ruler or prince Ezekiel 28:2; Daniel 9:25,26.

3 the title of some high official connected with the temple Jeremiah 20:1 (of Pashhur) וְהוּא פָקִיד נָגִיד ׳בבית י and he was prince-overseer in, etc. (for ׳פ see Jeremiah 29:26); hence בית האלהים ׳נ 1 Chronicles 9:11; 2Chronicles 31:13; 35:8 (three ׳ה ׳נגידי ב, including the high-priest), Nehemiah 11:11; of high-priest Daniel 11:22 ׳בְּרִית נ.

4 ruler in other capacities (late): of tribe 1 Chronicles 27:16; 2Chronicles 19:11; of Korahites 2 Chronicles 9:20; of Aaronite warriors 2 Chron 12:27; of division of army 1 Chronicles 13:1; 1 Chronicles 27:4; 2Chronicles 11:11 (commandant of fortress), 2 Chronicles 32:21 (in Assyrian army: "" שַׂר); of temple-treasuries 1 Chronicles 26:24, compare 2Chronicles 31:12; הבית ׳נ2Chronicles 28:7 (i.e. of palace?).

5 princely thimgs, plural abstract Proverbs 8:6.


“Nāgîd” (Strong’s 5057) designates one who is publicly installed by God to govern, command, or supervise. The approximately forty-four occurrences move from the rise of Israel’s monarchy through post-exilic prophecy and embrace royal, military, priestly, and eschatological spheres.

The title stresses divine selection and covenant accountability;

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you think I missed that?

captain, chief, excellent thing, chief governor, leader, noble, prince, chief ruler

from nagad; a commander (as occupying the front), civil, military or religious;


Brown-Driver-Briggs
נָגִיד noun masculine leader (literally probably one in front), ruler, prince; — absolute ׳נ 1 Samuel 9:16 31t.; construct (נְגִד) נְגִיד 2 Kings 20:5 6t.; plural נְגִידִים Job 29:10 3t.; נְגִידֵי2Chronicles 35:8; — ruler, prince Psalm 76:13; Proverbs 28:16; Job 29:10; Job 31:37 (in simile). Especially
1 of king of Israel: of Saul עַל ׳מָשַׁח לְנ (+ accusative of person), 1 Samuel 9:16 (subject prophet), compare of Solomon, subject people, 1 Chronicles 29:22; 1 Chronicles 10:1 (subject ׳י); of David עַל ׳צִוָּהוּ לְנ 1 Samuel 13:14; 1 Samuel 25:30, עַל צִוָּהוּ ׳נ 2 Samuel 6:21 (in these ׳י subject), על ׳היה לנ 2 Samuel 5:2, על ׳היה נ 2 Samuel 7:8; 1 Chronicles 11:2; 1 Chronicles 17:7; compare also 1 Chronicles 5:2; 2Chronicles 6:5; of David also ׳לְ ׳נָתַן נ Isaiah 55:4; of Solomon צִוָּה אֹתוֺ על ׳לִהְיוֺת נ 1 Kings 1:35 (׳י subject); of Jeroboam על ׳נתן נ ( + accusative of person) 1 Kings 14:7 (׳י subject); so 1 Kings 16:2 of Baasha; of Hezekiah עַָמִּי ׳נְ 2 Kings 20:5; הֶעֱמִיד בְּאֶחָיו ׳לְנ ( + accusative of person) 2 Chronicles 11:22 (of Abijah, subject Rehob.); of Judah 1 Chronicles 28:4.

2 of a foreign ruler or prince Ezekiel 28:2; Daniel 9:25,26.

3 the title of some high official connected with the temple Jeremiah 20:1 (of Pashhur) וְהוּא פָקִיד נָגִיד ׳בבית י and he was prince-overseer in, etc. (for ׳פ see Jeremiah 29:26); hence בית האלהים ׳נ 1 Chronicles 9:11; 2Chronicles 31:13; 35:8 (three ׳ה ׳נגידי ב, including the high-priest), Nehemiah 11:11; of high-priest Daniel 11:22 ׳בְּרִית נ.

4 ruler in other capacities (late): of tribe 1 Chronicles 27:16; 2Chronicles 19:11; of Korahites 2 Chronicles 9:20; of Aaronite warriors 2 Chron 12:27; of division of army 1 Chronicles 13:1; 1 Chronicles 27:4; 2Chronicles 11:11 (commandant of fortress), 2 Chronicles 32:21 (in Assyrian army: "" שַׂר); of temple-treasuries 1 Chronicles 26:24, compare 2Chronicles 31:12; הבית ׳נ2Chronicles 28:7 (i.e. of palace?).

5 princely thimgs, plural abstract Proverbs 8:6.


“Nāgîd” (Strong’s 5057) designates one who is publicly installed by God to govern, command, or supervise. The approximately forty-four occurrences move from the rise of Israel’s monarchy through post-exilic prophecy and embrace royal, military, priestly, and eschatological spheres.

The title stresses divine selection and covenant accountability;

Well all, including non Jewish rulers, who are called rulers are also naged. It is a generic term and not a specific term used to describe Jewish rulers.

 

[Earburner]

Well all, including non Jewish rulers, who are called rulers are also naged. It is a generic term and not a specific term used to describe Jewish rulers.

You sound like you are squirming to prove your false theory of "a millennial reign" of Christ on earth. However, Luke 17:28-30; 2Thes. 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:8-13 say differently.

The 70th week of 7 years was about Jesus and no one else [John 5:39].
"The prophecy and the vision"
of Dan.9:24 was fulfilled and sealed up when Jesus was "anointed" by God's Holy Spirit at His baptism, and in the day when Jesus called Saul/Paul to be the replacement disciple for Judas Iscarriot.

Yes, you are hearing that correctly.
Peter may have thought that he selected Matthias for God to be Judas' replacement through "a 50/50 Raffle game" (Acts 1:22-26), but Jesus made His own choice Personally, as He always does.
Acts 9[15] But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a  CHOSEN vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
The Glorified Jesus met Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus, which is described in the New Testament as occurring shortly after Jesus' crucifixion, around 2 to 7 years later.

Since after Jesus' resurrection, the historical estimation of when Jesus met Paul is 2 to 7 years, according to Dan.9:27, I find that the estimation is actually 3.5 years, which is the remaining half of the 70th week. Therefore in total, when Jesus CHOSE Paul, it was at the end of the prophetic 70th week of when Jesus was confirming the New covenant with the early church.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You sound like you are squirming to prove your false theory of "a millennial reign" of Christ on earth. However, Luke 17:28-30; 2Thes. 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:8-13 say differently.

The 70th week of 7 years was about Jesus and no one else [John 5:39].
"The prophecy and the vision"
of Dan.9:24 was fulfilled and sealed up when Jesus was "anointed" by God's Holy Spirit at His baptism, and in the day when Jesus called Saul/Paul to be the replacement disciple for Judas Iscarriot.

Yes, you are hearing that correctly.
Peter may have thought that he selected Matthias for God to be Judas' replacement through "a 50/50 Raffle game" (Acts 1:22-26), but Jesus made His own choice Personally, as He always does.
Acts 9[15] But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he [Paul] is a  CHOSEN vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
The Glorified Jesus met Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus, which is described in the New Testament as occurring shortly after Jesus' crucifixion, around 2 to 7 years later.

Since after Jesus' resurrection, the historical estimation of when Jesus met Paul is 2 to 7 years, according to Dan.9:27, I find that the estimation is actually 3.5 years, which is the remaining half of the 70th week. Therefore in total, when Jesus CHOSE Paul, it was at the end of the prophetic 70th week of when Jesus was confirming the New covenant with the early church.

Well as a computer screen is mute- that squirming sound is not coming from me.
I didn't know Jesus name also was Israel for those 70 weeks are for Daniels people (Israel)
Show me any verse that says Paul was the correct choice and Matthias was the wrong choice.
Yes Paul is a chosen vessel. I am a chosen vessel. You are a chosen vessel and as Peter said:
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation,

If you are going to use the word chosen as the criteria, we have lots of Jesus chosen apostles running around!
Well the prophecy is 70 years. It is not your findings or somebodies estimation!
You have changed your view of the 7th week. Earlier you said it was still ongoing through the church!
Show me the covenant Jesus confirmed with teh church for 7 years. And in the middle of the 7 years caused the actual sacrifice and oblations to end.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Mark of the Beast is here!

Well then, don't participate!

 

[Earburner]

Well as a computer screen is mute- that squirming sound is not coming from me.
I didn't know Jesus name also was Israel for those 70 weeks are for Daniels people (Israel)
Show me any verse that says Paul was the correct choice and Matthias was the wrong choice.
Yes Paul is a chosen vessel. I am a chosen vessel. You are a chosen vessel and as Peter said:
1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation,

If you are going to use the word chosen as the criteria, we have lots of Jesus chosen apostles running around!

We could go on all day about Matthias, but it will all come to a stop, once you realize that Peter rigged a sure win game of a 50/50 raffle of "casting lots", by setting up only two candidates, whereby Peter informed God that He was to select only one.
The last time I recall, Jesus chooses His OWN disciples.

Well the prophecy is 70 years. It is not your findings or somebodies estimation!
You have changed your view of the 7th week. Earlier you said it was still ongoing through the church!
Show me the covenant Jesus confirmed with teh church for 7 years. And in the middle of the 7 years caused the actual sacrifice and oblations to end.

Sorry, the prophecy is 70 wks X 7days= 490 yrs.

Please show the post # of my error. Most likely it is a typo. I was attempting to show that the 70th week of 7 years is in reference to Jesus still confirming the (New) covenant in the time of the "early church", upto the end of that 70th week, which would be the year of 3.5 AD.

In the mind of God the Father, when Jesus was crucified in the midst of the 70th week,
the daily temple sacrifice and the temple services came to an abrupt end.
However, Israel continued their temple sacrifices over and against the Sacrifice of Jesus Himself, thereby commiting "the overspreading of abominations" by each animal sacrifice that they performed in the temple after Jesus' death and resurrection.

In fact, if you examine "The 7 abominations against God" Prov. 6:16-19, you just might discover Who "the abomination that maketh desolate" was!!
But,....will you be able to handle the truth of it?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We could go on all day about Matthias, but it will all come to a stop, once you realize that Peter rigged a sure win game of a 50/50 raffle of "casting lots", by setting up only two candidates, whereby Peter informed God that He was to select only one.
The last time I recall, Jesus chooses His OWN disciples.

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Sorry you are wrong! verse 15 showed 120 chose the two!
And the lots were probably pebbles each had and placed in a container and the one with the most pebbles won! That is history and not your conjecture.

In the mind of God the Father, when Jesus was crucified in the midst of the 70th week,
the daily temple sacrifice and the temple services came to an abrupt end.
However, Israel continued their temple sacrifices over and against the Sacrifice of Jesus Himself, thereby commiting "the overspreading of abominations" by each animal sacrifice that they performed in the temple after Jesus' death and resurrection.

So now you can read the mind of God! is there no end to your divine wonders!

Sorry but god would have known to inspire- the efficacy of the sacrifices came to an end. He does not need allegorists to be His editor and "correct" what they deem His mistakes.
And with your reinterpretation of the AOD you are now correcting Jesus! Animal sacrifices never took place in the holy place and they never stood! They were done on the altar! but the AOD is masculine and singular! You need to read your bible better.

 

[Earburner]

20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

23 And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Sorry you are wrong! verse 15 showed 120 chose the two!

I agree!

And the lots were probably pebbles each had and placed in a container and the one with the most pebbles won! That is history and not your conjecture.

no matter how you look at it, it's still a 50/50 raffle. With only two candidates, it's a 50% chance that one will be the winner and a 50% chance the other is the loser.

So now you can read the mind of God! is there no end to your divine wonders!

Of course again, 1 Cor. 2
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Sorry but god would have known to inspire- the efficacy of the sacrifices came to an end.

The Pharisaical Jews could not discern the will of God through the Sacrifice of Jesus, therefore they had no respect for it, and as a result they most surely did continue with their Temple sacrifices, even upto its destruction in 70AD.

He does not need allegorists to be His editor and "correct" what they deem His mistakes.
And with your reinterpretation of the AOD you are now correcting Jesus! Animal sacrifices never took place in the holy place and they never stood! They were done on the altar! but the AOD is masculine and singular! You need to read your bible better.

You are picking at straws that don't matter.
The altar for sacrificing of animals was in the Temple.
I never said anything about the holy of hollies.

Together, let's look at THE abomination that was committed against God, not the Jews!
Proverbs 6:16-19
17......and hands that SHED innocent blood,

BTW, the prophetic words in Daniel reveal that it is "the abomination that maketh [causes] desolate" [to be destitute/void of God]. KJV Dan. 11:31, 12:11.
If you recall Ezekiel, you should know that God in Ezekiel's time left the temple [made it destitute/void of His presence] just before it was destroyed.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

no matter how you look at it, it's still a 50/50 raffle. With only two candidates, it's a 50% chance that one will be the winner and a 50% chance the other is the loser.

Well you need to take that up with god. According to you, God had nothing to do with the 120 narrowing the field down to 2 candidates of X number. god was not present in their decision and praying. Sorry but can't buy it, especially seeing it is in Scripture and not one single correction except you has been made.

Of course again, 1 Cor. 2
[16] For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

If you think that means rewriting Scripture and making conclusions Scripture doesn't make- you need deep help.

The Pharisaical Jews could not discern the will of God through the Sacrifice of Jesus, therefore they had no respect for it, and as a result they most surely did continue with their Temple sacrifices, even upto its destruction in 70AD.

But He would have known to inspire the writers of Scripture. If Jesus meant the efficacy to end, He would have said so, seeing how you make sucha big deal of it along with other preterists and allegorists.

You are picking at straws that don't matter.
The altar for sacrificing of animals was in the Temple.
I never said anything about the holy of hollies.

Together, let's look at THE abomination that was committed against God, not the Jews!
Proverbs 6:16-19
17......and hands that SHED innocent blood,

BTW, the prophetic words in Daniel reveal that it is "the abomination that maketh [causes] desolate" [to be destitute/void of God]. KJV Dan. 11:31, 12:11.
If you recall Ezekiel, you should know that God in Ezekiel's time left the temple [made it destitute/void of His presence] just before it was destroyed.

Sorry but it was you who made comment of the altar.
And sorry but maybe you should do more than just an extremely shallow study of Scripture. THe AOD is a HE, and He stand in the holy of holies as Paul also declared saying that he is god.

 

[Earburner]

Well you need to take that up with god. According to you, God had nothing to do with the 120 narrowing the field down to 2 candidates of X number. god was not present in their decision and praying. Sorry but can't buy it, especially seeing it is in Scripture and not one single correction except you has been made.

The sudden rush for Peter to organize a process for the choosing of a disciple for Jesus, is not in the power/authority of any disciple, especially those who do not have the Holy Spirit of God, of which at the time, Peter did not have.

If you think that means rewriting Scripture and making conclusions Scripture doesn't make- you need deep help.

When it comes to "comparing spiritual things with spiritual", all born again christians have the freedom and ability to discern and interpret scripture, through "the mind of Christ". Again....1 Cor. ch. 2

But He would have known to inspire the writers of Scripture. If Jesus meant the efficacy to end, He would have said so, seeing how you make sucha big deal of it along with other preterists and allegorists.

I repeat: 1 Cor. ch.2- we are to be "comparing spiritual things with spiritual"...

Sorry but it was you who made comment of the altar.
And sorry but maybe you should do more than just an extremely shallow study of Scripture.

Not shallow at all. The altar was in the temple, and upon the altar went the continuation of the animals of sacrifice by the Jews, over and against the Sacrifice of Jesus. Such a deed was "the overspreading of abominations" [KJV Dan. 9:27] against the Lamb OF God.

THe AOD is a HE, and He stand in the holy of holies as Paul also declared saying that he is god.

Yes, Jesus was/is a HE.
Though you don't fully understand it yet, you have now pointed to the truth of Who "the abomination that maketh desolate [abandoned, orphaned, alone]" was, and still is. See Prov. 6:16-19, specifically verse 17. See also Mat. 21:43.