I think that the card of "your doctrine is Satanism" is too much. Love can have many shapes and forms and it simply needs to act in some practical wisdom. Of course it is not good to support an evil person or nation in doing evil, but wishing them good is... good. Wishing them good may mean to wish that they will repent, for example.
Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.
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If I were a Protestant, I’d say the same: the Holy Spirit revealed to me all my arguments—official statistics, widely accepted historical facts, Scripture, and personal experience. And it would be true, because I genuinely believe that. But I don’t phrase it that way.
So, my Holy Spirit vs. your “Holy Spirit”?
In Orthodox Christianity, we don’t throw around phrases like “The Holy Spirit told me today you’re wrong...” It sounds pompous.
Yet you casually drop “The Lord opened this verse to me... we need the mind of the Spirit, the mind of Christ...” without reverence, in any situation. You’re actually profaning Christianity.
In this thread, you apply it to the question: “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord?” (2 Chronicles 19:2).
Your answer: yes, we should. So, you’re really saying we should do good to the wicked and love those who hate the Lord—while claiming the Holy Spirit and Scripture.
To me, this looks like outright blasphemy and Satanism.
@HealthyShape, the question was concrete and practical: Should Christians help and love he wicked and those who hate the Lord?
Both @Lizbeth and @Big Boy Johnson answer "yes".
- @Big Boy Johnson justifies it with Galatians 6:10—“do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith”—as if “all men” means we must materially or politically enable the wicked while they persist in hating God.
- @Lizbeth reinforces it with the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:30–37) and repeatedly claims “the Lord opened this verse to me… we need the mind of the Spirit, the mind of Christ,” implying the Holy Spirit endorses aiding or loving those who reject Christ and deny His sacrifice.
To me, this is outright blasphemy and Satanism.
You introduce a third element—"wishing repentance".
But wishing repentance does not require practical help in evil or unconditional love for God-haters.
I explained this clearly—see posts #184 and #185–187.
So, no perverted preacher nonsense about doing good to murderers, military enemies, or loving Satan’s followers under the guise of “love.”
It only seems to bring nothing when one hasn't got ears to hear what is being brought. We may make use of things of this world at times, as long as that is not what we are RELYING on......otherwise that is idolatry. What does God say about the wisdom of this world?
amigo de christo
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Sound the trumpet
the SWORD cometh , the famine and pesilence cometh
For this peoples refuse to repent of a lie they believe will usher upon them peace n safety .
All who have made their bed with this finding common g round harlot
will be utterly destroyed on the DAY of THE LORD .
And the prophets of christendom rise up and lead this people , as did the prophets of ahab , TO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION .
And as the false prophets of ahab hollored GO YE UP and YE SHALL HAVE THE VICTORY
so to do these holler , come and let us be one and go up to the finding common ground interafith
and we shall have BELOVED PEACE N SAFETY , but nope , THAT WONT be their prize at all , IT WILL BE THEIR OWN destruction
on the great and mighty DAY of GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
For i have seen THIER SOLUTION an d HOW TH EY DO merge them all .
THE LIE OF ANTI CHRIST they do speak . AND on stage and before all
The lie was given to all the false religions by men in wool . OH ye and we all serve the same GOD .
AND JESUS WAS DENIED . and for that , THEY WILL pay the price On the day of the LORD
for the ONE WHO could have saved them , THEY DENIED and gave rather the lie of anti christ to the false religoins
as well as to the peoples of christendom.
My advice to all is
IF ANYONE is in any way particpating with any who preaches this ecumienical unity interfaith
lets find common ground , GET THE HEcK OUT of said places ................for they only make ready a peoples unto
confusion of faces and to their own destruction on THE DAY OF THE LORD .
It's easy to see how false religious Christianity persecuted, killed and tortured non believers (as well as true believers) in times past. No better than the religion of the Muslims. Chalk and cheese to the true faith and spirit of Christ Jesus. I thought at first that perhaps you weren't really as harsh as you were sounding, but I have changed my mind. You know the Klu Klux Klan quote scriptures to justify their heinous beliefs and behaviour too. I hope for His sake that you will come to Christ for real before it is too late.
amigo de christo
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In the Babylonian Talmud—"the" central text of Rabbinic Judaism, studied and revered in Orthodox yeshivas to this day—there are explicit passages about a figure widely identified by scholars (both Jewish and Christian) as Jesus of Nazareth:
- Gittin 57a: A sorcerer named Yeshu (Jesus) is summoned from the afterlife by Onkelos. When asked about his punishment, Yeshu replies that he is being punished "with boiling hot excrement" for mocking the words of the Sages. The text contrasts this with the lesser punishments of gentile idol-worshippers, implying Jewish sinners like Yeshu suffer more severely.
- Shabbat 104b: Jesus is called "ben Stada" (son of Stada), but the rabbis clarify: his mother was Miriam the hairdresser (a play on *megaddela*, which also means "braider of hair" but is used here as a euphemism for infidelity). They explain: "The husband was Stada, the paramour was Pandera." Pandera is understood as a Roman soldier—thus Jesus is the product of adultery.
- Sanhedrin 106a: A proverb is quoted: "She who was descended from princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." This is a direct insult to Mary—claiming a woman of Davidic lineage (a "princess") committed adultery with a common laborer (Joseph the carpenter).
These are not obscure footnotes. They appear in the standard Vilna edition of the Talmud, taught in religious schools, and defended by some Orthodox scholars as legitimate counter-narrative to Christian claims.
The Talmudic passages I quoted aren't dusty relics; they're printed in every standard edition (Vilna, ArtScroll, Steinsaltz) and studied in Orthodox yeshivas worldwide. When a 21st-century rabbi teaches Gittin 57a and tells students that Yeshu (Jesus) is boiling in excrement for mocking the Sages, that's not "ancient history"—that's active transmission of contempt.
Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.
Amen. And that harlot better take warning that though the beast is happy to exploit and make use of her for now, he is going to turn on her once he is done using her.
We need the whole counsel of God and to rightly divide what He is saying, not stand on one isolated scripture.
Yes I know all this about some of the Jews (but not all of them)......and the beloved apostle Paul used to be one of them.......and after coming to know the Lord he loved his people so much he could have wished himself accursed that they might be saved. The Jews are lost souls....captives/slaves of the devil doing his will. It's not for me to condemn them, but to pray and hope that they come to Christ....for the sake of their faithful forefathers. We are to do to others as we would have others do unto you.......I have a son who was lost in darkness and engaged in evil, but he has thankfully come back to the Lord now.....I would have had others to pray for him and help him when he was in need and I do the same for the descendants of the fathers of my faith. Any descendants of mine down the road if the Lord tarries, if they go astray I hope the same would be done for them too.
Remember that whatever anyone may say or do against Jesus can be forgiven. But not if they blaspheme the Holy Spirit. I hope that isn't what you are doing.
So you just admitted you already knew all those Babylonian Talmud quotes when you answered the thread’s question: “we as Christians should have love for the Jews and not sit in judgment over them”—and still justified it by citing the “Holy Spirit” and Scripture.
I’m now fully convinced you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and commit outright blasphemy.
This is open Satanism.
Imagine somebody will say that 1+1=2 and somebody will react like "what does God say about the wisdom of this world?"
It effectually kills the conversation.
No it isn't....it's Christianity. The NEW covenant that doesn't stone sinners to death. While we were yet sinners...Christ died for the ungodly. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. But there's no point in trying to have a conversation with those who only have a form of Godliness while denying the power.....we aren't speaking the same language.
For those who don't understand, yes I guess it does.
amigo de christo
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Good heavens sister he just said OPEN satanism . he actually beleives you serve satan .
And yet i KNOW you dont defend geo political israel . WE BOTH been warning against the jewish mov ments
and all movments con trary to GOD .
But something is dead wrong in this fellow .
I mean you have long seen me warning against this flesh of the jew th ing .
BUT YOU dont see me having hatred against them .
People can get so easily caught up i n things , BUT ONLY IN THE THINGS THEY LOVE .
as for this sheep , ITS GOD < C HRIST , the words of t ruth in scripture and my neighbor as myself .
This people is in t rouble sister .
And many on the so called jewish f lesh lineage side CANNOT HELP that man either .
They cant even help themselves . We got ARK battles sister .
And what i mean by that is
BOTH Sides now try and vault the other side off its horse with the PLANKS in their eyes . THEY CANOT SEE how to help the other .
And soon even they will weary and merge . GUESS who will end up getting all the blame
FOLKS like us sister . folks l ike us . BUT DO N OT LET that cause you fear . JUST SPEAK the TRUTH and count the cost .
Yes, they accused Jesus of the same thing....we're not wrestling with flesh and blood but with that same spirit that was in those religious leaders who accused Jesus. All false religions easily merge because though they have differences on the surface, they all have the same root and spirit in common, and it isn't the HOLY Spirit.
amigo de christo
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Trench time sister . men can do and say whatever they desire to about me
But as for the sheep , we gonna do and say BY THE SPIRIT , that which is pleasing to GOD .
And times will only get worse with whatever short time we even have left in this world .
TO w hich i say ,fear not man or what he can do ,THE LORD IS OUR HELPER and we shall NOT FEAR what man can do .
The cost will be the cost .
Marvelloustime
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