8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

[Rockerduck]

Are we now to base our faith and practise on Google?

Know your history or get a book. Go buy a book on the history of the Saints.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The early Christians called the day Christ rose the eighth day. Many Christians still call it that. Google it yourself.

That means nothing. There are 7 days in a week, not 8. And what does any of this have to do with the Amil vs. Premil debate? Nothing.

 

[Rockerduck]

That means nothing. There are 7 days in a week, not 8. And what does any of this have to do with the Amil vs. Premil debate? Nothing.

The title of this thread is the 8th day, a new beginning. Where is the Amil vs Premil debate?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The title of this thread is the 8th day, a new beginning. Where is the Amil vs Premil debate?

You obviously didn't read the original post of the thread. Read that and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

 

[Rockerduck]

You obviously didn't read the original post of the thread. Read that and then you'll know what I'm talking about.

Then the first post should reflect the title of the thread. It seems a disconnect to me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Then the first post should reflect the title of the thread. It seems a disconnect to me.

I would say that the title of the thread should have given some indication that it relates to the Amil vs. Premil debate, but it doesn't. But, what he said in the original posts and all of his subsequent posts has nothing to do with the Amil vs. Premil debate. He just decided that this 7th day and 8th day stuff somehow relates to whether Amil or Premil is true even though that is not indicated in scripture anywhere.

 

[ewq1938]

Every month has an 8th day and after any 7 day period there would be an 8th day.

 

[Davidpt]

The title of this thread is the 8th day, a new beginning. Where is the Amil vs Premil debate?

In the OP, I’m basically arguing Premil vs. Amil, and my main point is simple: the 7th day in Scripture always marks the end of something, never the beginning of something new.

A normal 7 day week proves the point. The 7th day (Saturday) closes the week; the new week begins on Sunday. Unless someone wants to argue that in the Bible a 'day' can only mean a literal 24 hours (which would be a stretch), then it follows that 'days' and 'weeks' can also represent longer time spans-----as in Daniel 9, for example, where weeks symbolize weeks of years. So it’s not far-fetched that in some prophetic contexts, a day can represent a thousand years (2 Peter 3:8).

That being the case, the question becomes: how many days (or thousands of years) have passed since Adam? And how close are we to the end of this pattern? If Christ’s return is near-----which most Premils and even most Amils would agree on-----that would suggest roughly 6,000 years of human history have already elapsed.

But here’s the key: there is no such thing as a 6-day week in Scripture. The Biblical pattern is always 7 days, with the 7th day completing the cycle. So if 6,000 years (6 'days') have passed, what about the final 1,000 years-----the 7th 'day'? It must be the Millennium, the final 1,000-year period that completes the full 'week' of human history.

Now, look at where Amillennialism places the 1,000 years. They claim it’s happening right now, during the Church Age-----and it’s already gone on for over 2,000 years! That means, in their view, the '7th day' overlaps with the 5th and 6th days of the prophetic week.

But that makes no sense. On any normal calendar, Saturday doesn’t run parallel with Thursday or Friday. Saturday follows them. It’s the end of the week, not something that happens during earlier days.

So, when Scripture speaks of the 7th day as rest-----completion, not continuation-----it fits perfectly with Premil, six thousand years of human history followed by one thousand years of Christ’s reign-----the 7th day, the final day before there can be a new beginning, thus the 8th day(1 Corinthians 15:28).

Basically then, one has to think outside of the box, something some views are unwilling to do in this case.

 

[Brakelite]

Know your history or get a book. Go buy a book on the history of the Saints.

I don't need a book to tell me there's not 8 days in the week. The 8th day is a concept. A theory. An idea. A man made philosophical notion, used by some to justify Sunday sacredness by lending it some "spiritual credence" philosophically, but it isn't and never can be literal. Those early Christians who began to honour Sunday above the Sabbath were starting their own tradition according to their own perceived sense of authority. They were playing word games to justify heresy.

 

[WPM]

In the OP, I’m basically arguing Premil vs. Amil, and my main point is simple: the 7th day in Scripture always marks the end of something, never the beginning of something new.

A normal 7 day week proves the point. The 7th day (Saturday) closes the week; the new week begins on Sunday. Unless someone wants to argue that in the Bible a 'day' can only mean a literal 24 hours (which would be a stretch), then it follows that 'days' and 'weeks' can also represent longer time spans-----as in Daniel 9, for example, where weeks symbolize weeks of years. So it’s not far-fetched that in some prophetic contexts, a day can represent a thousand years (2 Peter 3:8).

That being the case, the question becomes: how many days (or thousands of years) have passed since Adam? And how close are we to the end of this pattern? If Christ’s return is near-----which most Premils and even most Amils would agree on-----that would suggest roughly 6,000 years of human history have already elapsed.

But here’s the key: there is no such thing as a 6-day week in Scripture. The Biblical pattern is always 7 days, with the 7th day completing the cycle. So if 6,000 years (6 'days') have passed, what about the final 1,000 years-----the 7th 'day'? It must be the Millennium, the final 1,000-year period that completes the full 'week' of human history.

Now, look at where Amillennialism places the 1,000 years. They claim it’s happening right now, during the Church Age-----and it’s already gone on for over 2,000 years! That means, in their view, the '7th day' overlaps with the 5th and 6th days of the prophetic week.

But that makes no sense. On any normal calendar, Saturday doesn’t run parallel with Thursday or Friday. Saturday follows them. It’s the end of the week, not something that happens during earlier days.

So, when Scripture speaks of the 7th day as rest-----completion, not continuation-----it fits perfectly with Premil, six thousand years of human history followed by one thousand years of Christ’s reign-----the 7th day, the final day before there can be a new beginning, thus the 8th day(1 Corinthians 15:28).

Basically then, one has to think outside of the box, something some views are unwilling to do in this case.

You have fabricated a theory that has no biblical basis.

 

[Davidpt]

I don't need a book to tell me there's not 8 days in the week. The 8th day is a concept. A theory. An idea. A man made philosophical notion, used by some to justify Sunday sacredness by lending it some "spiritual credence" philosophically, but it isn't and never can be literal. Those early Christians who began to honour Sunday above the Sabbath were starting their own tradition according to their own perceived sense of authority. They were playing word games to justify heresy.

Is the issue here that you are perhaps SDA? The Sabbath is the 7th day. The 8th day is not the 7th day. Therefore, nothing has changed about the Sabbath. It is still the 7th day and it is still Saturday not Sunday. But even so, Sunday simply represents a new beginning is all, and that it is the beginning of a new week. The beginning of any week is never the Sabbath, that's absurd, the end of the week is the Sabbath.

Sunday, the 8th day, day 1 of a new week, if we apply that to Jesus' resurrection. Saturday, 7 days later, thus the 7th day, still equals the Sabbath since the Sabbath always comes at the end of a cycle not at the beginning of one. I don't understand the problem then since it still makes Saturday the Sabbath no matter how you look at it?

 

[ewq1938]

The 8th day is a concept. A theory. An idea. A man made philosophical notion

No, "eighth day" comes from the bible.

Exo_22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.


Lev_9:1 And it came to pass on the eighth day, that Moses called Aaron and his sons, and the elders of Israel;


Lev_12:3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.


Lev_14:10 And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil.


Lev_14:23 And he shall bring them on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, before the LORD.


Lev_15:14 And on the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and give them unto the priest:


Lev_15:29 And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.


Lev_22:27 When a bullock, or a sheep, or a goat, is brought forth, then it shall be seven days under the dam; and from the eighth day and thenceforth it shall be accepted for an offering made by fire unto the LORD.


Lev_23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.


Lev_23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.


Num_6:10 And on the eighth day he shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:


Num_7:54 On the eighth day offered Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur, prince of the children of Manasseh:


Num_29:35 On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work therein:


1Ki_8:66 On the eighth day he sent the people away: and they blessed the king, and went unto their tents joyful and glad of heart for all the goodness that the LORD had done for David his servant, and for Israel his people.


2Ch_7:9 And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days.


2Ch_29:17 Now they began on the first day of the first month to sanctify, and on the eighth day of the month came they to the porch of the LORD: so they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days; and in the sixteenth day of the first month they made an end.


Neh_8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.


Eze_43:27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.


Luk_1:59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.


Act_7:8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.


Php_3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

 

[WPM]

Is the issue here that you are perhaps SDA? The Sabbath is the 7th day. The 8th day is not the 7th day. Therefore, nothing has changed about the Sabbath. It is still the 7th day and it is still Saturday not Sunday. But even so, Sunday simply represents a new beginning is all, and that it is the beginning of a new week. The beginning of any week is never the Sabbath, that's absurd, the end of the week is the Sabbath.

Sunday, the 8th day, day 1 of a new week, if we apply that to Jesus' resurrection. Saturday, 7 days later, thus the 7th day, still equals the Sabbath since the Sabbath always comes at the end of a cycle not at the beginning of one. I don't understand the problem then since it still makes Saturday the Sabbath no matter how you look at it?

Where does the Bible teach that Sunday is the 8th day of the week?

Exactly! Stop the nonsense.

 

[Davy]

Where does the Bible teach that Sunday is the 8th day of the week?

Exactly! Stop the nonsense.

Where does it teach that Saturday is the 1st day of the week?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In the OP, I’m basically arguing Premil vs. Amil, and my main point is simple: the 7th day in Scripture always marks the end of something, never the beginning of something new.

A normal 7 day week proves the point. The 7th day (Saturday) closes the week; the new week begins on Sunday. Unless someone wants to argue that in the Bible a 'day' can only mean a literal 24 hours (which would be a stretch), then it follows that 'days' and 'weeks' can also represent longer time spans-----as in Daniel 9, for example, where weeks symbolize weeks of years. So it’s not far-fetched that in some prophetic contexts, a day can represent a thousand years (2 Peter 3:8).

That being the case, the question becomes: how many days (or thousands of years) have passed since Adam? And how close are we to the end of this pattern? If Christ’s return is near-----which most Premils and even most Amils would agree on-----that would suggest roughly 6,000 years of human history have already elapsed.

But here’s the key: there is no such thing as a 6-day week in Scripture. The Biblical pattern is always 7 days, with the 7th day completing the cycle. So if 6,000 years (6 'days') have passed, what about the final 1,000 years-----the 7th 'day'? It must be the Millennium, the final 1,000-year period that completes the full 'week' of human history.

Now, look at where Amillennialism places the 1,000 years. They claim it’s happening right now, during the Church Age-----and it’s already gone on for over 2,000 years! That means, in their view, the '7th day' overlaps with the 5th and 6th days of the prophetic week.

But that makes no sense. On any normal calendar, Saturday doesn’t run parallel with Thursday or Friday. Saturday follows them. It’s the end of the week, not something that happens during earlier days.

So, when Scripture speaks of the 7th day as rest-----completion, not continuation-----it fits perfectly with Premil, six thousand years of human history followed by one thousand years of Christ’s reign-----the 7th day, the final day before there can be a new beginning, thus the 8th day(1 Corinthians 15:28).

Basically then, one has to think outside of the box, something some views are unwilling to do in this case.

There's just one problem with what you're saying here. But, it's a major one. What you're talking about is never taught anywhere in scripture. Nowhere in scripture can you find anything about the days of the week being related to human history. You are just making things up to support your doctrine because that's all you can do. It's sad to see.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where does the Bible teach that Sunday is the 8th day of the week?

Exactly! Stop the nonsense.

It's amazing to witness what Premils are resorting to in their effort to keep their doctrine afloat. All unbiblical theories like Adam living to 930 years old as being some kind of evidence to support Premill and also this 8th day nonsense. It seems that Premils have given up on trying to use scripture to support their doctrine.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Is the issue here that you are perhaps SDA? The Sabbath is the 7th day. The 8th day is not the 7th day. Therefore, nothing has changed about the Sabbath. It is still the 7th day and it is still Saturday not Sunday. But even so, Sunday simply represents a new beginning is all, and that it is the beginning of a new week. The beginning of any week is never the Sabbath, that's absurd, the end of the week is the Sabbath.

The beginning of a new week is the first day of the new week, not an 8th day of the previous week.

Sunday, the 8th day, day 1 of a new week, if we apply that to Jesus' resurrection.

LOL. What? You are saying that Sunday is both the 8th day and day 1 of a new week? What is it the 8th day of exactly then? The previous week? Goodness sakes. I really hope at some point you will reveal that you are playing some kind of practical joke on us with this nonsense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, "eighth day" comes from the bible.

Did you not read everything he said? He was talking about the idea of an eighth day of the week. None of these verses you referenced...

Exo_22:30 Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.


Lev_9:1 And it came to pass on the eighth day, that Moses called Aaron and his sons, and the elders of Israel;


Lev_12:3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.


Lev_14:10 And on the eighth day he shall take two he lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb of the first year without blemish, and three tenth deals of fine flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and one log of oil.


Lev_14:23 And he shall bring them on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, before the LORD.


Lev_15:14 And on the eighth day he shall take to him two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, and come before the LORD unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and give them unto the priest:


Lev_15:29 And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.


Lev_22:27 When a bullock, or a sheep, or a goat, is brought forth, then it shall be seven days under the dam; and from the eighth day and thenceforth it shall be accepted for an offering made by fire unto the LORD.


Lev_23:36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.


Lev_23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.


Num_6:10 And on the eighth day he shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons, to the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation:


Num_7:54 On the eighth day offered Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur, prince of the children of Manasseh:


Num_29:35 On the eighth day ye shall have a solemn assembly: ye shall do no servile work therein:


1Ki_8:66 On the eighth day he sent the people away: and they blessed the king, and went unto their tents joyful and glad of heart for all the goodness that the LORD had done for David his servant, and for Israel his people.


2Ch_7:9 And in the eighth day they made a solemn assembly: for they kept the dedication of the altar seven days, and the feast seven days.


2Ch_29:17 Now they began on the first day of the first month to sanctify, and on the eighth day of the month came they to the porch of the LORD: so they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days; and in the sixteenth day of the first month they made an end.


Neh_8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.


Eze_43:27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD.


Luk_1:59 And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father.


Act_7:8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.


Php_3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

...say anything about an eighth day of the week.

 

[WPM]

Where does it teach that Saturday is the 1st day of the week?

Sunday is. Hello!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

As we already know, Amils insist the millennium pertains to the here and now.

What I am thinking is this, though. There are 7 days in a week and that the 8th day is always a new beginning of a new week.

Sunday--day 1 of the week
Monday--day 2 of the week
Tuesday--day 3 of the week
Wednesday--day 4 of the week
Thursday--day 5 of the week
Friday--day 6 of the week
Saturday--day 7 of the week
Sunday--day 1 of a new week, thus 8 days later.

By Amils insisting that the millennium is now and that when Christ returns the new and final beginning of a new era commences, they are implying that day 7 is a new beginning not day 8. Except day 7 can't be a new beginning if it is the end of the week rather than the beginning of a new week.

Apparently, if assuming days to be involving a thousand years, we are in day 6 since the fall of man. And that it is not logical that day 6 and day 7 can parallel one another. It can't be both at the same time. Which means their view is even more absurd than I initially thought, because, when Christ returns can't even be meaning the 7th day if they are already applying the 7th day to the here and now. And it for sure can't be meaning the 8th day since everyone already knows that 7 comes after 6, not 8.

I don't know what it is about some of these interpreters at times, that they can't even comprehend simple basic math? As if any week can only consist of 6 days rather than 7 days, and that 2 of these days are meaning the same day, meaning day 6 and 7 in this case, and that day 8 comes after day 6 rather than day 7. Nowhere in the Bible that I am aware of does day 7 ever mean a new beginning. But that doesn't even matter in this case since Amils are having day 6 and 7 run in parallel rather than following one another. Their view has to be one of the most absurd views there is, right up there along with Pretrib, for example. Not that Amil and Pretrib have anything in common theologically, but that both views are absurd and make no logical sense.

<...absurd and make no logical sense> yeah. Logically and self-explanatory... yeah.