Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[amigo de christo]

Yes, they accused Jesus of the same thing....we're not wrestling with flesh and blood but with that same spirit that was in those religious leaders who accused Jesus. All false religions easily merge because though they have differences on the surface, they all have the same root and spirit in common, and it isn't the HOLY Spirit.

We never know when our time is up sister .
As i tell others this too .
But if one of us goes home first , may the others continue onwards in the LORD and dont look back .
FOR ALL THE SHEEP will meet again ON THE DAY of THE LORD .
I have known you for years sister and while the LORD has used the sheep
to edify one the other
No matter who goes first , THE LORD WILL STILL BE WITH THE OTHERS .
HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN OUR GUIDE , OUR STRENGTH and our salvation .
WE are but mere humans HE USED to help one the other along the way .
I say this also because I BELIEVE real tribulations will also soon begin against the sheep .
AND jus as GOD was with the first ones HE will be with us too .

 

[marks]

But wishing repentance does not require practical help in evil or unconditional love for God-haters.

It's the kindness of God that leads to repentance. You can work with Him or against Him. Your choice.

Much love!

 

[Marvelloustime]

Yes, they accused Jesus of the same thing....we're not wrestling with flesh and blood but with that same spirit that was in those religious leaders who accused Jesus. All false religions easily merge because though they have differences on the surface, they all have the same root and spirit in common, and it isn't the HOLY Spirit.

@Lizbeth Blessed are you when you are persecuted.

 

[HealthyShape]

For those who don't understand, yes I guess it does.

But nobody learns anything with that.

 

[Chrysostomos]

No it isn't....it's Christianity. The NEW covenant that doesn't stone sinners to death. While we were yet sinners...Christ died for the ungodly. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son. But there's no point in trying to have a conversation with those who only have a form of Godliness while denying the power.....we aren't speaking the same language.

You’re not preaching the “new covenant” — you’re preaching "heresy and Satanism".

Tolstoyism (Leo Tolstoy) rejects judgment, rejects resisting evil, preaches unconditional love to all without repentance and absolute pacifism.

His teachings were condemned as heresy by the Russian Orthodox Church in the Holy Synod’s Decree of February 20–22, 1901 (Old Style)

The Synod called his “gospel” a distortion of Christ’s teaching, rejecting Church, sacraments, and divine judgment.

Scripture says the opposite:
- 2 Chronicles 19:2 — God’s wrath for helping the wicked.
- John 3:36 — God’s wrath remains on those who reject the Son.
- Matthew 12:30 — “Whoever is not with Me is against Me.”
- 2 John 1:10–11 — **Do not receive** false teachers, or you share in their wicked work.

You know all this — and still say “love them, don’t judge,” claiming the “Holy Spirit.”

That’s blasphemy against the Spirit and complicity in evil.

You reference the woman caught in adultery (John 8:1–11), but that’s a private case of mercy to a repentant sinner—Jesus told her, “Go and sin no more.” It does not mean He commands loving all adulterers, criminals, military enemies, and Satanists, including those teaching the Babylonian Talmud.
On the contrary, the Gospel is full of Jesus saying “Woe to you…” and “How will you escape God’s judgment?” (Matthew 23:13–36)—a scathing monologue pronouncing judgment on the Pharisees and scribes, calling them hypocrites, blind guides, and whitewashed tombs. That’s not “love without judgment”; it’s a divine verdict on unrepentant wickedness. Why twist mercy for one into endorsement of evil for all?

You rip quotes out of context and turn Christianity into Satanism. The Satanism you teach has been recognized as heresy by the Orthodox Church. I stand on the Orthodox Church’s decision and the sound teaching of Jesus Christ. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit, teach Satanism, and commit blasphemy.

 

[Chrysostomos]

It's the kindness of God that leads to repentance. You can work with Him or against Him. Your choice.

Much love!

As I mentioned earlier, the Church anathematized Tolstoy for these ideas. In response to Tolstoyan non-resistance, an entire movement arose against this heresy. In particular, I used to enjoy reading Vladimir Solovyov, the Russian philosopher. I recommend his work Three Conversations, where these questions are brilliantly dissected. In this book, there is a story about a man who decided never to refuse anyone anything and soon "burned out," unable to sustain such a position.There is also a satirical excerpt in Three Conversations that illustrates the absurdity of non-resistance to evil:

The impious assassin plunged his dagger deep—
Into Delarue's chest,
Who, doffing his hat, said politely and sweet:
"Thank you, my best."

Then into his left side the horrid blade flew—
The villain drove it in,
And Delarue remarked: "What a fine dagger, too!
You've got there, my kin!"

The villain then circled, approaching from right,
And pierced him once more,
But Delarue, with a sly smile so light,
Just wagged his finger, no more.

The villain stabbed wildly, piercing him through—
His body all torn,
And Delarue said: "Do come for tea, do—
At our place, at three, not before."

The villain fell flat, shedding tears in a flood,
Trembling like a leaf in the breeze,
And Delarue cried: "Ah, rise up, for God's good!
The floor here's unclean—up, please!"

But the villain sobbed on at his feet in despair,
His heart in deep throes,
And Delarue, arms wide, declared with a flair:
"I never supposed!

Is it possible? How? Such tears with such might?
Over trifles so small?!
I'll secure you a lease, my dear, out of sight—
A lease for you all! They'll grant you St. Stanislaus o'er the shoulder,
As example to one and to all.

I can counsel the powers—that's my right, you see:
For I am a chamberlain grand!
Want to wed my dear daughter, my Dunya, to thee?
For that, I'll slip you a hundred grand
In credit notes crisp.

And here's my own portrait, a keepsake so fine,
As friendship's true token.
I haven't yet framed it—it's yours, if you'll mind,
Accept it unbroken!"

Here the villain turned sour, more bitter than spice—
His heart, spoiled by good for his ill,
Ah! won't forgive such kindness twice.
High spirits disturb the mediocre's will—
That's why the world's fearsome and dread.
The killer might pardon the portrait, it's said,
But the lease? Not a chance in his head.

Envy's poison flared hot in the villain's dark soul,
Burning fierce and so wild,
That once the rogue donned St. Stanislaus whole
O'er his shoulder, defiled,
He dipped his blade deep in a godless venom brew,
And crept up to Delarue, sly and askew,
Then struck his dear friend—in the rear, straight and true!

Delarue hit the floor, in agonies dire,
Too pained to sit in a chair.
Meanwhile, the villain, on the mezzanine higher,
Stole Dunya's honor there.

He fled to Tambov, where as governor grand,
He was loved by the crowd,
Then to Moscow, a senator zealous and planned,
Honored by all, proud and loud.

Soon he joined the high council, in no time at all—
What an example for us, what a call!
What a lesson it shows, one and all!

This excerpt from Solovyov mocks the idea of boundless love that ignores justice and indulges evil.

 

[Chrysostomos]

For those who don't understand, yes I guess it does.

Your entire vocabulary essentially boils down to one phrase: "Love Jews because the Holy Spirit told me so." And that's it! No arguments, no reasoning, nothing concrete. Just that one phrase and sophistry. What's there to understand? You're as simple as they come.

 

[Chrysostomos]

But nobody learns anything with that.

Their entire rhetoric essentially boils down to the single phrase, "Love Jews because the Holy Spirit told me so."

Their method is to then cherry-pick Bible about doing good, showing love, and being merciful.
They take these verses and spout nonsense about doing good to murderers, military enemies and loving Satan's followers.

 

[Lizbeth]

But nobody learns anything with that.

It's true that not everybody will learn:

Luk 10:21-22

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


Mat 16:15-17

He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.


1Co 1:17-31

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



Jhn 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



Jhn 16:13-14

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.



1Co 2:12-16

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


Rom 8:7

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Eph 5:14

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

 

[Lizbeth]

You’re not preaching the “new covenant” — you’re preaching "heresy and Satanism".

Tolstoyism (Leo Tolstoy) rejects judgment, rejects resisting evil, preaches unconditional love to all without repentance and absolute pacifism.

His teachings were condemned as heresy by the Russian Orthodox Church in the Holy Synod’s Decree of February 20–22, 1901 (Old Style)

The Synod called his “gospel” a distortion of Christ’s teaching, rejecting Church, sacraments, and divine judgment.

Scripture says the opposite:
- 2 Chronicles 19:2 — God’s wrath for helping the wicked.
- John 3:36 — God’s wrath remains on those who reject the Son.
- Matthew 12:30 — “Whoever is not with Me is against Me.”
- 2 John 1:10–11 — **Do not receive** false teachers, or you share in their wicked work.

You know all this — and still say “love them, don’t judge,” claiming the “Holy Spirit.”

That’s blasphemy against the Spirit and complicity in evil.

You reference the woman caught in adultery (John 8:1–11), but that’s a private case of mercy to a repentant sinner—Jesus told her, “Go and sin no more.” It does not mean He commands loving all adulterers, criminals, military enemies, and Satanists, including those teaching the Babylonian Talmud.
On the contrary, the Gospel is full of Jesus saying “Woe to you…” and “How will you escape God’s judgment?” (Matthew 23:13–36)—a scathing monologue pronouncing judgment on the Pharisees and scribes, calling them hypocrites, blind guides, and whitewashed tombs. That’s not “love without judgment”; it’s a divine verdict on unrepentant wickedness. Why twist mercy for one into endorsement of evil for all?

You rip quotes out of context and turn Christianity into Satanism. The Satanism you teach has been recognized as heresy by the Orthodox Church. I stand on the Orthodox Church’s decision and the sound teaching of Jesus Christ. You blaspheme the Holy Spirit, teach Satanism, and commit blasphemy.

It is for God to judge, not us. Jesus told us not to judge lest we be judged. (In the sense of condemning....we do need to discern, as the Lord gives it to us.)

 

[Lizbeth]

Your entire vocabulary essentially boils down to one phrase: "Love Jews because the Holy Spirit told me so." And that's it! No arguments, no reasoning, nothing concrete. Just that one phrase and sophistry. What's there to understand? You're as simple as they come.

1Co 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Chrysostomos]

It is for God to judge, not us. Jesus told us not to judge lest we be judged. (In the sense of condemning....we do need to discern, as the Lord gives it to us.)

You're twisting the Bible again to side with the lawless. The way you interpret "do not judge" is straight-up Tolstoy heresy. You're basically trying to abolish courts and justice.
I'll never stop pointing this out: you rip a verse out of Scripture, yank it from context, and swap concepts to favor Satan and lawlessness.

Look at it in the full context of the Bible and real-life necessity:

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
(Matthew 7:1-2)

The masses of so-called Christians take this to mean: don't judge anyone, and God won't judge you—He'll just justify you.
Is that right?

But this stick has two ends. If you refuse to judge, then God won't judge on your behalf either.

Fake Christians think it's great if God doesn't judge.

But! When you're the victim—robbed, beaten, or your kids murdered—then God won't intervene between you and your attackers.
That's exactly what it means: with the same judgment you judge, you will be judged; with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

In other words: don't judge? Then no justice for you against those who wrong you. Criminals do whatever they want, and you get zero recourse.

Bottom line: Jesus isn't saying don't judge. He's saying you must judge—and the standard you set is the one God will use on you.
But judging is mandatory.

In essence, Jesus is echoing:

Thus says the Lord: Do justice and righteousness, and deliver from the hand of the oppressor him who has been robbed. And do no wrong or violence to the resident alien, the fatherless, and the widow, nor shed innocent blood in this place.
(Jeremiah 22:3)

He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well. Is not this to know me? declares the Lord.
(Jeremiah 22:16)

Defend the poor and fatherless; do justice to the afflicted and needy.
Deliver the poor and needy; free them from the hand of the wicked.
(Psalm 82:3-4)

Conclusion: refuse to judge, and you get no judgment from God—and that's terribly bad.
Final point: the broad masses of fake Christians have twisted Scripture and Truth here too—exactly backwards.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's the kindness of God that leads to repentance. You can work with Him or against Him. Your choice.

Much love!

that leads to What , to repentance .
Hey marks why am i now seeing more and more folks claiming
that the HOLY SPIRIT is at work on all religions and that all religoins serve the same GOD we do
and that all religoins are just coming to God differently .
CAUSE THAT AINT THE GOODNESS , KINDNESS , LOVE of GOD getting sold .
They are called good and accepted in their false religoins and JESUS and the NEED TO REPENT to
BELEIVE ON HIM , D ENIED MARK . and only an anti christ would do such a thing .
GOD draws us too NOT SOME FALSE religion
BUT TO CHRIST JESUS . And we better KEEP THAT IN MIND to the END TOO mark .
cause we cannot preach beleif and UNBELEIF , cause what that really means is UNBELIEF was our GOD .
SO i do advise us all once again
to have no part in , no support of , no finding common ground with
ANY that are part of ecumenical unity intefaith . rather expose the works of darkness .
Just a dire necessary reminder for us all .

 

[amigo de christo]

It's true that not everybody will learn:

Luk 10:21-22

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


Mat 16:15-17

He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.


1Co 1:17-31

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



Jhn 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



Jhn 16:13-14

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.



1Co 2:12-16

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


Rom 8:7

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Eph 5:14

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

There are many who are learning through the carnal lens of men , with their hermes
with their greek and so called wisdom
And while they are the seeminly most educated generation the church has ever seen
THEY are naught but often those who are ever learning but Unable to come to the TRUTH .
Then we have the sheep of JESUS CHRIST
and these BY THE SPIRIT are learning Truth , , now to the wise ones they seem
as undereducated , dumb simple things that know not the truth and have need to sit under their men and thier wisdom .
TO WHICH I SAY , NO WAY . I SEEN what they do to the scrips , THEY wrest them and twist them unto
their own destruction .

 

[Marvelloustime]

There are many who are learning through the carnal lens of men , with their hermes
with their greek and so called wisdom
And while they are the seeminly most educated generation the church has ever seen
THEY are naught but often those who are ever learning but Unable to come to the TRUTH .
Then we have the sheep of JESUS CHRIST
and these BY THE SPIRIT are learning Truth , , now to the wise ones they seem
as undereducated , dumb simple things that know not the truth and have need to sit under their men and thier wisdom .
TO WHICH I SAY , NO WAY . I SEEN what they do to the scrips , THEY wrest them and twist them unto
their own destruction .

@amigo de christo

 

[Chrysostomos]

1Co 2:14

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Exactly! I forgot to mention the final function of your primitive algorithm. Your whole rhetoric boils down to the phrase: "Love Jews because the Holy Spirit told me so." Then you cherry-pick Bible verses about doing good, loving, and showing mercy, and spout nonsense about extending that to murderers, military enemies, or loving Satan's followers. Anyone who disagrees gets labeled "unspiritual," "carnal," and hit with that same verse. It's primitive code. Who wrote it for you? Some hack.

Especially since here I'm basing my argument on the Russian Orthodox Church's Holy Synod Decree of February 20–22, 1901, which condemned Tolstoyism—rejecting judgment, rejecting resistance to evil, preaching unconditional love without repentance, and absolute pacifism—as heresy. In effect, you're accusing the entire Orthodox Church of being "unspiritual."

I'm not claiming you knew about the Tolstoy heresy beforehand. You probably know nothing about the heresies in church history and have no clue that your teaching is basically a mash-up of three heresies: Tolstoyism, Marcionism, and apocatastasis.

You claim to be "led by the spirit," and it's quite possible you are—how else to explain that, without studying any of this, you've perfectly assembled every argument of these heresies unless you're demon-possessed? Either you're doing this consciously, or you're demon-possessed. One or the other.

 

[HealthyShape]

It's true that not everybody will learn:

Luk 10:21-22

In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


Mat 16:15-17

He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.


1Co 1:17-31

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

That no flesh should glory in his presence.

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



Jhn 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.



Jhn 16:13-14

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.



1Co 2:12-16

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


Rom 8:7

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Eph 5:14

Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Well, even though I do not agree with the extreme rhetoric of @Chrysostomos, I must agree with him that these are the kind of posts that say nothing and add nothing to the conversation.

I never truly understood the people who start to talk like this suddenly, no matter what the topic was before.

 

[amigo de christo]

When the inquity has hit the full
and when the peoples are chanting peace n safety
Well , lets jus say we dont want any part of that group . For when the DOOR shuts
and IT WILL
all outside will wail .
And if persecutions and tribulations , prison time and being killed
Even some burned alive FOR THE FAITH
HOW MUCH SORER a punsihment awaits those of the dry tree.
IT is t rue that man can do and inflict much pain upon the saints
and even kill us , as they have o ften t hrough out history done so .
But something far worse awaits those who rejected CHRIST
FAR WORSE .

 

[amigo de christo]

CHRIST THE KING , THE GREAT HIGH PREIST of our profession
IS and shall be WITH the saints . SO FEAR NOT what man can do . CO NFORM not to t his world
endure faithful unto HIM unto the end .

 

[Lizbeth]

Exactly! I forgot to mention the final function of your primitive algorithm. Your whole rhetoric boils down to the phrase: "Love Jews because the Holy Spirit told me so." Then you cherry-pick Bible verses about doing good, loving, and showing mercy, and spout nonsense about extending that to murderers, military enemies, or loving Satan's followers. Anyone who disagrees gets labeled "unspiritual," "carnal," and hit with that same verse. It's primitive code. Who wrote it for you? Some hack.

Especially since here I'm basing my argument on the Russian Orthodox Church's Holy Synod Decree of February 20–22, 1901, which condemned Tolstoyism—rejecting judgment, rejecting resistance to evil, preaching unconditional love without repentance, and absolute pacifism—as heresy. In effect, you're accusing the entire Orthodox Church of being "unspiritual."

I'm not claiming you knew about the Tolstoy heresy beforehand. You probably know nothing about the heresies in church history and have no clue that your teaching is basically a mash-up of three heresies: Tolstoyism, Marcionism, and apocatastasis.

You claim to be "led by the spirit," and it's quite possible you are—how else to explain that, without studying any of this, you've perfectly assembled every argument of these heresies unless you're demon-possessed? Either you're doing this consciously, or you're demon-possessed. One or the other.

You need to come to the living Christ, to be born of Him and receive His Spirit. Until then you won't understand the word of God. He is the oil for the lamp of His word that is a light unto our path. Lamps without oil cannot give light (understanding). Paul counted all that he had, education, knowledge, status, etc, as dung and loss that he might gain Christ.