I will raise them on the last day.

[Aunty Jane]

No it’s not saying that the day that they eat the fruit they will die means that they won’t live past a thousand years, it’s saying that the day they eat the fruit is the day they stop being immortal,

It’s true that spiritual death occurred that day, but not physical death. The first experience with death was when Cain killed his younger brother out of jealousy. That is the power of sin....in just one generation, a cold blooded murderer was produced.

Don’t you see that humans were created as mortal creatures, like every other living thing on this planet...?
We need external means of life support, which makes us mortal because we would die without them...air, food and water are required by all mortal creatures. We breathe, eat and drink in various ways but it all has the same effect....these things were abundantly supplied to keep us alive forever in a self perpetuating environment.

“The tree of life” was in the garden, with no restricted access like the TKGE. That tree would bring death to those who ate of its fruitage, as Eve and then Adam found out. It was not because the things that sustain life were taken away, but because sin altered something in their genome that was passed on to all of their offspring. Something was switch off when Adam and his wife disobeyed the direct command of their Creator. As God said...”in the day you eat from it you will surely die”....

God’s immediate response was to bar access to the tree of life, thereby taking away any hope of living forever in sinful mortal flesh. (Gen 3:22-24) Despite any attempts by humans to remain healthy and strong, old age, sickness and death have been stalking us ever since.

It took the first humans a long time to die because they were created perfect, but as successive generations came and went the lifespan of humans gradually dropped to 70 or 80 years....the gene pool became progressively corrupted, especially so was the life span reduced after the flood, when the water canopy surrounding the earth was used to flood the planet. (2 Pete 3:5-7)

Perhaps that water canopy was a radiation shield from the sun’s damaging rays, now removed, man’s lifespan dropped markedly. Radiation ages things more quickly.
We cannot keep ourselves alive because the only means to do so was denied.

Do you understand the difference between “everlasting life” and “immortality”? An immortal cannot die. It is defined as ‘life within oneself’,....‘not relying on any external means to keep living’....’the power of an indestructible life’. This is why Adam and his wife were not immortal.....they were granted unending life contingent upon their obedience to God’s reasonable commands. If they had been immortals, the TKGE would have been an empty threat.

The trees of life are mentioned again in Revelation when God restores the earth and everything upon it back to his original purpose.....a wonderful life in paradise on earth with no sickness, aging or death to spoil what God intended as the life we were meant to live in the first place.

 

[Davy]

That’s the point...he never did point to himself as the “I Am” of the OT, and he only ever called himself “the son of God” (John 10:31-36)....never once was he called “God the Son” in a single verse of Scripture.

Yes, whether or not Jesus of Nazareth is The Christ, which means GOD The Son, Immanuel God with us per Matthew 1:23 indeed IS... the point I'm making, which that written Bible Scripture YOU SHOW YOU ARE AGAINST.

The unbelieving Jews REJECT Jesus of Nazareth as GOD The Son because they have been spiritually BLINDED by God like Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11.

And just because a Jew CLAIMS to believe on Jesus Christ, but not as GOD The Son is an oxymoron, a lie, a contradiction of the written Bible Scriptures. Like Apostle John said, those who believe that Jesus of Nazareth came as 'THE CHRIST', which John was pointing to Jesus as GOD The Son by that, well those who do believe have BOTH The Father and The Son.

But those who DO NOT believe that Jesus of Nazareth came as THE CHRIST, IMMANUEL GOD WITH US, has NEITHER THE FATHER NOR THE SON, and is an antichrist.

1 John 2:22-24
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
KJV

There are plenty of Bible Scriptures that declare Jesus of Nazareth as THE CHRIST, and as part of The GODHEAD. So your vanity of LIES that keep claiming the meaning of English Bible translations has all that wrong is of the devil.

 

[complete]

No it’s not saying that the day that they eat the fruit they will die means that they won’t live past a thousand years, it’s saying that the day they eat the fruit is the day they stop being immortal and spiritually die

'And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,
but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy:
the second man is the Lord from heaven.'
(1Co 15:45-47)

Hello @Marty fox,

Adam was not spiritual but natural, so he could not die spiritually, but would die naturally in the course of time, the tree of life being then denied him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[MatthewG]

I think and believe it already happened.

Because there sure are a lot of people still in hell if it hasnt been emptied yet.

 

[David in NJ]

Your making no sense can you please just say what you mean?

How does that have anything to do with a literal thousand year reign?

God gave us simple math to help us/children understand.

Adam lived 930 years = just 70 years short of 1,000 literal years

What prevented Adam from making it to 1,000 literal years???

 

[rwb]

I'm aware of context.
John 4 is still relevant in that well prior to his talking with Nicodemus countless people had died. And yet no one ascended I to Heaven except He who descended from it,the Son of Man.

The Son of Man ascended to heaven in physical body! And NONE, but He, has died, resurrected in physical form and ascended to heaven clothed in immortal flesh. Many, in fact, since Christ has ascended to heaven, all who have physically died have ascended to heaven as spiritual body, living souls to be with Christ there.

John 3:13 (KJV) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (KJV) Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 3:21 (KJV) Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

1 Corinthians 15:35-36 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:46-50 (KJV) Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

No man has ascended to heaven physically, and our mortal body of flesh shall not be resurrected immortal & incorruptible until the last trumpet sounds and saints are changed, because flesh and blood shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. When faithful saints are bodily resurrected immortal, at the last trump our everlasting life as complete living souls will not be for everlasting life as spiritual body in heaven but shall be everlasting life with Christ on the new earth.

1 Corinthians 15:52-54 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

While the burial sights (tombs) where Old Covenant faithful saints were buried remain on this earth, since Christ has come and rescued the captives of death from the graves, those tombs are empty, containing only the dusty remains of mortal physical flesh these saints had been bound in before the first coming of Christ.

 

[Marty fox]

'And so it is written,
The first man Adam was made a living soul;
the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,
but that which is natural;
and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy:
the second man is the Lord from heaven.'
(1Co 15:45-47)

Hello @Marty fox,

Adam was not spiritual but natural, so he could not die spiritually, but would die naturally in the course of time, the tree of life being then denied him.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Are you saying that Adam didn't have an eternal spirit?

We all are body spirit, and soul and Adam died spiritually like we all do when we first sin

 

[Marty fox]

God gave us simple math to help us/children understand.

Adam lived 930 years = just 70 years short of 1,000 literal years

What prevented Adam from making it to 1,000 literal years???

Your making no sense if you have an explanation for tying them together then please just say what you mean instead of just making statements or we will have to move on.

 

[Marty fox]

It’s true that spiritual death occurred that day, but not physical death. The first experience with death was when Cain killed his younger brother out of jealousy. That is the power of sin....in just one generation, a cold blooded murderer was produced.

Don’t you see that humans were created as mortal creatures, like every other living thing on this planet...?
We need external means of life support, which makes us mortal because we would die without them...air, food and water are required by all mortal creatures. We breathe, eat and drink in various ways but it all has the same effect....these things were abundantly supplied to keep us alive forever in a self perpetuating environment.

“The tree of life” was in the garden, with no restricted access like the TKGE. That tree would bring death to those who ate of its fruitage, as Eve and then Adam found out. It was not because the things that sustain life were taken away, but because sin altered something in their genome that was passed on to all of their offspring. Something was switch off when Adam and his wife disobeyed the direct command of their Creator. As God said...”in the day you eat from it you will surely die”....

God’s immediate response was to bar access to the tree of life, thereby taking away any hope of living forever in sinful mortal flesh. (Gen 3:22-24) Despite any attempts by humans to remain healthy and strong, old age, sickness and death have been stalking us ever since.

It took the first humans a long time to die because they were created perfect, but as successive generations came and went the lifespan of humans gradually dropped to 70 or 80 years....the gene pool became progressively corrupted, especially so was the life span reduced after the flood, when the water canopy surrounding the earth was used to flood the planet. (2 Pete 3:5-7)

Perhaps that water canopy was a radiation shield from the sun’s damaging rays, now removed, man’s lifespan dropped markedly. Radiation ages things more quickly.
We cannot keep ourselves alive because the only means to do so was denied.

Do you understand the difference between “everlasting life” and “immortality”? An immortal cannot die. It is defined as ‘life within oneself’,....‘not relying on any external means to keep living’....’the power of an indestructible life’. This is why Adam and his wife were not immortal.....they were granted unending life contingent upon their obedience to God’s reasonable commands. If they had been immortals, the TKGE would have been an empty threat.

The trees of life are mentioned again in Revelation when God restores the earth and everything upon it back to his original purpose.....a wonderful life in paradise on earth with no sickness, aging or death to spoil what God intended as the life we were meant to live in the first place.

Yes I agree and know all of that I did update my post that they also died spiritually but what does Geneses chapter 5 have to do with the thousand year reign?

 

[David in NJ]

Your making no sense if you have an explanation for tying them together then please just say what you mean instead of just making statements or we will have to move on.

Simple math Marty
It is so simple that mature minded have a very difficult time with it.

 

[David in NJ]

Your making no sense if you have an explanation for tying them together then please just say what you mean instead of just making statements or we will have to move on.

JESUS Day is all been laid out for us to SEE

Problem is our minds were darkened against the Holy Scriptures.

SomeONE came to CLEAR things UP for us to SEE

 

[Marty fox]

Simple math Marty
It is so simple that mature minded have a very difficult time with it.

Yeah 1000-70=930 sure, but you haven't explained yourself yet after you have been asked multiple times, so this is the last time I will ask, how does Gensis 5 tie to the 1000 years?

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah 1000-70=930 sure, but you haven't explained yourself yet after you have been asked multiple times, so this is the last time I will ask, how does Gensis 5 tie to the 1000 years?

Simple

God created man in His image = Male/Female
The Man and his Wife became ONE flesh when God created them and HE created them in Marriage = Prophetic Image of CHRIST and the Church
God created Man to Walk with HIM together, on earth for 1,000 Years = CLEARLY seen in Adam living 930 literal years

BIG PROBLEM = Adam sinned and fell short of the GLORY intended for him = 70 years short of 1,000 years

SomeONE had to make UP for the lost 70 Years

SHALOM Marty

@Nancy, i believe you SEE this???

 

[Davidpt]

Adam lived 930 years = just 70 years short of 1,000 literal years

What prevented Adam from making it to 1,000 literal years???

The answer to that is real simple and plainly obvious. Unless of course one's doctrinal bias' are preventing one from seeing the obvious. Had Adam lived more than 1K years that would indicate that God had lied to him when He told him this--for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die(Genesis 2:17).

Obviously, a day consisting of 24 hours is not meant, the fact Adam did not die within 24 hours of eating thereof. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that we then need to take a day to be involving an era of time consisting of more than 24 hours, in this case. And that 2 Peter 3:8, for instance, has since interpreted this for us, that the era of time this day represents is 1K years.

But look at the way a lot of interpreters interpret 2 Peter 3:8, that it simply means God is outside of time. Really? We wouldn't already know that from the OT alone, therefore, making us ignorant of that fact until 2 Peter 3:8 was penned? Some argue one day can mean 10,000 years, a million years, etc, since God doesn't view time like man does. As if God is going to violate the very 'time' He created. As if there is no such thing to God as a literal 1K years.

For example. Jesus was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. Since God is outside of time, BTW no one is disputing that, and since one day to God is as a thousand years, can allegedly also mean 10K years, even 1 million years, etc, this should mean God views this 3 days and 3 nights in the same manner. That to God it could maybe mean 300 days and nights, 3k days and nights, so on and so on. after all, God is outside of time, right? If one can't see the problem here, I guess I can't help them.

The key then is this--one day = an era of time, and this same era of time = one day. And the following analogy proves it. One day = an era of time consisting of 24 hours, and this same era of time consisting of 24 hours = one day. Which would look like this in 2 Peter 3:8--- One day = an era of time consisting of 1K years, and this same era of time consisting of 1K years = one day. And no, even to God 1000 years can't mean 10K years, or even a million years. The same way to God that a 24 hour day can't mean a 48 hour day, nor a million hour day, etc. God does not violate the very 'time' He created just because He is outside of time. 24 hours still means 24 hours, 1k years still mean 1k years, regardless.

 

[Marty fox]

Simple

God created man in His image = Male/Female
The Man and his Wife became ONE flesh when God created them and HE created them in Marriage = Prophetic Image of CHRIST and the Church
God created Man to Walk with HIM together, on earth for 1,000 Years = CLEARLY seen in Adam living 930 literal years

BIG PROBLEM = Adam sinned and fell short of the GLORY intended for him = 70 years short of 1,000 years

SomeONE had to make UP for the lost 70 Years

SHALOM Marty

@Nancy, i believe you SEE this???

That still means nothing and is based on assumptions, and you haven't shown anything to do with the thousand years.

Why do you think that "God created Man to Walk with HIM together, on earth for 1,000 Years"? Where is that in the bible?

 

[David in NJ]

Why do you think that "God created Man to Walk with HIM together, on earth for 1,000 Years"? Where is that in the bible?

GENESIS and Revelation

 

[Marty fox]

GENESIS and Revelation

Can you please just show the verses and stop with the with the comments?

You haven't shown any proof and its getting a bit frustrating as I'm asking you strait up questions and your not answering them strait up.

 

[David in NJ]

Can you please just show the verses and stop with the with the comments?

You haven't shown any proof and its getting a bit frustrating

Marty, the Scripture evidence has been given to you.

EXAMPLE: pre-trib rapture is a FULL BLOWN LIE from satan and those who love that error will NEVER submit to the words of CHRIST and the Apostles and the OT Prophets = but they will make excuses even to the point of "adding to God's words what HE never said and denying the CLEAR Truth that HE did Say"

EVIDENCE: Matt ch24 and Hebrews 9:28 and many more

SHALOM

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

2 Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The last day is the 1000 year millennial kingdom.

It's not wise to isolate a verse like this out of context. That verse has absolutely nothing to do with Revelation 20. The context of the verse is in relation to how long it is taking for Jesus to fulfill the promise of His second coming.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Nowhere does Peter indicate that what he said in verse 8 has anything to do with the duration of the last day. The context is clearly in relation to how long it is taking for Jesus to return. Some would claim He is being slow to return, but since He is God and exists outside the realm of time, He can't possibly be too slow to return. To Him from His eternal perspective a day is no different than a thousand years.

The first resurrection occurs at the 7th seal, 7th trumpet and 7th vial.(they are simultaneous) This ushers in the last day (1000) years. The 2nd resurrected occurs at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ, when He hand the kingdom up to the Father

1 Co 15:23-25 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

(Jesus will rule the earth for 1000 years)

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

You are adding things to scripture which are not there. In 1 Cor 15:20 (and Acts 26:23) Paul indicated that Christ's resurrection itself was the first resurrection, so the resurrection at His second coming is not the first resurrection, but the second.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Can you please just show the verses and stop with the with the comments?

You haven't shown any proof and its getting a bit frustrating as I'm asking you strait up questions and your not answering them strait up.

I have also asked him similar questions, so stop wasting your time on that. He obviously is not interested in explaining how he is coming to the conclusion that Adam's age has anything to do with the thousand years of Revelation 20. So, we just have to assume he is making that up in his imagination. Otherwise, he should have no problem explaining it.