Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[amigo de christo]

Proverbs - "the fear of man is a trap"

i had just typed that and then i seen this . YEP teh WORDS OF THE LORD confirmed my friend .

 

[David in NJ]

i had just typed that and then i seen this . YEP teh WORDS OF THE LORD confirmed my friend .

the gatekeepers of man-made doctrines may have me banned from here as well

 

[amigo de christo]

the gatekeepers of man-made doctrines may have me banned from here as well

TO the trenches david . TO THE TRENCHES .

 

[soberxp]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1967567779101622538

My feeling is that the Jews probably thought that all their suffering came from God and not from themselves.

Although they said there was a God, deep down they were whispering complaints, just like their ancestors.

Of course this is only reasonable speculation, as to why they are like this only God knows. God will not tell me now.

 

[Marvelloustime]

for the fear of man IS A SNARE indeed .
To depart FROM EVIL is the fear of GOD .
Many have not the LOVE OF GOD SHED UPON THEIR HEARTS BY THE HOLY GHOST .
Many have not submitted UNTO GOD , unto HIS righteousness , unto HIS CHRIST .
they submitted unto an image of what MAN said was GOD and claimed as CHRIST .
But NOT THE SHEEP david . JESUS has the SHEEP david .

@amigo de christo

 

[Chrysostomos]

"Walk in the Light While there is Light" is to me one of the more profound books I've read. Have you read this? It's fairly short, and is available online.

https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Walk-In-The-Light-by-Leo-Tolstoy.pdf

Much love!

Yes! This novella is a direct illustration of the very heresy of “unconditional love for all” that Vladimir Solovyov exposes in Three Conversations.

Tolstoy doesn’t just promote it—he makes it the central idea, wrapped in the form of a Christian “hagiography”, which makes it especially perilous.

Brief plot:
A young merchant named Julius, living in 3rd-century Antioch, renounces wealth, power, and even family to live by what he calls “Christ’s law.”
He preaches absolute non-resistance to evil, love for all without distinction, and refusal to judge or use force.
In the end, robbers kill him, and he blesses them to the last breath and dies smiling.

Tolstoy sells the heresy of “love everyone, never resist” as a saint’s life. Julius drops everything, preaches: don’t judge, don’t defend, don’t call the cops, don’t go to court. Even self-defense is evil. Army — evil. State — evil. Robbers butcher him — he goes: “Brother, I love you.” Dies smiling.

Now reality check:

Ever called the police?
Ever sued for your rights?
Would you protect your wife, kids from a rapist?
Would you hand your daughter to a killer, like Delarue in Solovyov’s parody?
Ready to watch your family get slaughtered — and “not resist”?

Tolstoy says: yes, be like Julius.
Solovyov says: then evil becomes a senator.
This isn’t light.
It’s surrender dressed as holiness.

 

[soberxp]

Yes! This novella is a direct illustration of the very heresy of “unconditional love for all” that Vladimir Solovyov exposes in Three Conversations.

Tolstoy doesn’t just promote it—he makes it the central idea, wrapped in the form of a Christian “hagiography”, which makes it especially perilous.

Brief plot:
A young merchant named Julius, living in 3rd-century Antioch, renounces wealth, power, and even family to live by what he calls “Christ’s law.”
He preaches absolute non-resistance to evil, love for all without distinction, and refusal to judge or use force.
In the end, robbers kill him, and he blesses them to the last breath and dies smiling.

Tolstoy sells the heresy of “love everyone, never resist” as a saint’s life. Julius drops everything, preaches: don’t judge, don’t defend, don’t call the cops, don’t go to court. Even self-defense is evil. Army — evil. State — evil. Robbers butcher him — he goes: “Brother, I love you.” Dies smiling.

Now reality check:

Ever called the police?
Ever sued for your rights?
Would you protect your wife, kids from a rapist?
Would you hand your daughter to a killer, like Delarue in Solovyov’s parody?
Ready to watch your family get slaughtered — and “not resist”?

Tolstoy says: yes, be like Julius.
Solovyov says: then evil becomes a senator.
This isn’t light.
It’s surrender dressed as holiness.

But he's right, This is not heresy,
This enabled him to enjoy the kingdom of heaven before the end of his life,He was killed rather than waiting for the end of his life, which made him enter the kingdom of heaven faster.

You may have forgotten how the disciples did it, too.

 

[marks]

Brief plot:
A young merchant named Julius, living in 3rd-century Antioch, renounces wealth, power, and even family to live by what he calls “Christ’s law.”
He preaches absolute non-resistance to evil, love for all without distinction, and refusal to judge or use force.
In the end, robbers kill him, and he blesses them to the last breath and dies smiling.

You must have this confused with something else. Julius lives and eventually joins the Christians, to die a natural death.

Much love!

 

[Chrysostomos]

But he's right, This is not heresy,
This enabled him to enjoy the kingdom of heaven before the end of his life,He was killed rather than waiting for the end of his life, which made him enter the kingdom of heaven faster.

You may have forgotten how the disciples did it, too.

Where did you get the idea that if you don't call the police, let a criminal kill you, rape your daughter, rob you, and escape—then you'll definitely go to heaven?

The apostles never prohibited self-defense, military service, or going to court. On the contrary: the Apostle Paul himself went to court and demanded Caesar's judgment (Acts 25:11). And in his Epistle to the Romans, he said directly:

"The authority is God's servant... he does not bear the sword in vain; he is God's servant, an avenger to execute wrath on the one who practices evil" (Rom. 13:4).

And further: "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil... for he is God's servant to you for good."

This one quote alone—and Tolstoyan non-resistance collapses. Tolstoyan doctrine teaches: "Do not resist evil, love everyone, do not judge, do not call on authority."
But the Apostle Paul says: authority is from God, the sword is not in vain, evil is punishable.

Self-defense is not a sin. Protecting one's family is a duty. Appealing to courts and authorities is a biblical norm. And "love for all" without distinguishing good from evil is heresy.

Tolstoyan non-resistance is not evangelical love. It is a trap.

 

[marks]

But he's right, This is not heresy,
This enabled him to enjoy the kingdom of heaven before the end of his life,He was killed rather than waiting for the end of his life, which made him enter the kingdom of heaven faster.

You may have forgotten how the disciples did it, too.

He's not telling the story right.

In this book Julius at the last joins the Christians and dies a natural death, not even aware of when death takes him. But I don't want to give it all away.

This is the story of why a man doesn't follow Christ, and at the end, what is lost, and what is gained.

Whatever this thread is really about, That's not the theme of this book. It's really good, you should read it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Where did you get the idea that if you don't call the police, let a criminal kill you, rape your daughter, rob you, and escape—then you'll definitely go to heaven?

Do you have the erroneous idea that love means tolerance for evil? That if you love others, you won't defend the helpless, for instance?? Is that what you are thinking?

Stopping someone from committing evil shows love for them, and love for others.

Much love!

 

[Chrysostomos]

You must have this confused with something else. Julius lives and eventually joins the Christians, to die a natural death.

Much love!

You’re looking at an adapted English version, not Tolstoy’s original 1887 text.

I just pulled the authentic Russian original from lib.ru (Tolstoy’s Complete Works, vol. 25):

In Tolstoy’s actual story (“Walk in the Light While There Is Light”, 1887), Julius is robbed and stabbed to death by bandits. He blesses them and dies smiling, fully at peace.

No 20-year commune, no natural death—that’s the real ending.

The PDF you linked (holybooks.com) is from the Maude translation (Aylmer & Louise Maude, early 20th century). They merged and softened several of Tolstoy’s parables for Western readers:Added elements from “Two Old Men” and “Three Elders”
Removed the violent death to make it “more uplifting”
Turned it into a composite tale that never existed in Tolstoy’s original

So:
1887 original (Russian) - Julius killed by robbers, dies blessing them

Maude’s adapted English version - Julius lives peacefully, dies naturallyYou read the edited, sanitized rewrite. I read Tolstoy’s actual words. That’s the mix-up.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Do you have the erroneous idea that love means tolerance for evil? That if you love others, you won't defend the helpless, for instance?? Is that what you are thinking?

Stopping someone from committing evil shows love for them, and love for others.

Much love!

You just did a complete 180° flip?
You're the one pushing Leo Tolstoy's heresy here, not me.
So, do you agree that Tolstoy's teaching is heresy?

 

[Chrysostomos]

The love that we are to love others with is not talking about the love that comes from the flesh, but is love of God, ie, love which comes from His Spirit which doesn't compromise the truth. Same with regard to righteousness...there is human righteousness which falls short of God's glory, and there is the righteousness of God from His Spirit. Yes, as I said, we need to discern......and that needs to come from His Spirit too, if we are walking by faith and not by our own sight and perceptions or opinions.

This is a pointless conversation.

Why are you even telling me this? What’s the point? It’s already crystal clear. Go ahead, keep discussing me with David in NJ like he’s doing with you #347.
Throw this sophistry back and forth between yourselves.

 

[soberxp]

Where did you get the idea that if you don't call the police, let a criminal kill you, rape your daughter, rob you, and escape—then you'll definitely go to heaven?

The apostles never prohibited self-defense, military service, or going to court. On the contrary: the Apostle Paul himself went to court and demanded Caesar's judgment (Acts 25:11). And in his Epistle to the Romans, he said directly:

"The authority is God's servant... he does not bear the sword in vain; he is God's servant, an avenger to execute wrath on the one who practices evil" (Rom. 13:4).

And further: "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil... for he is God's servant to you for good."

This one quote alone—and Tolstoyan non-resistance collapses. Tolstoyan doctrine teaches: "Do not resist evil, love everyone, do not judge, do not call on authority."
But the Apostle Paul says: authority is from God, the sword is not in vain, evil is punishable.

Self-defense is not a sin. Protecting one's family is a duty. Appealing to courts and authorities is a biblical norm. And "love for all" without distinguishing good from evil is heresy.

Tolstoyan non-resistance is not evangelical love. It is a trap.

You still don't get it. What can I say?
Did the disciples curse those people or call the police or call out to God in the face of persecution and death?

 

[marks]

You just did a complete 180° flip?
You're the one pushing Leo Tolstoy's heresy here, not me.
So, do you agree that Tolstoy's teaching is heresy?

You don't seem to know the book you claim shows this "heresy" to begin with. And no, I've not done a 180.

I'm telling you God says, Love your enemies. Now go and do so.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You’re looking at an adapted English version, not Tolstoy’s original 1887 text.

Well, I don't read Russian, so I'll have to take your word for it.

No matter. Stick to the Bible, you won't go wrong. God teaches us to love others.

Do you know . . . love, in Scripture, is not just some fuzzy warm feeling, it's action, to commit yourself to the wellbeing of others.

Would you sacrifice your life to save the life of someone who had just stolen from you or beaten you or whatever, in the hope that in doing so you may give them opportunity to repent? Or would you allow them to die, knowing that they do not know Jesus?

If you ever have to answer that question in real life, I hope you are prepared for it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

So:
1887 original (Russian) - Julius killed by robbers, dies blessing them

I'm not finding anything to substantiate this, just wondering, do you have anything to offer? Besides something in Russian?

Much love! Yes, love!

 

[amigo de christo]

You don't seem to know the book you claim shows this "heresy" to begin with. And no, I've not done a 180.

I'm telling you God says, Love your enemies. Now go and do so.

Much love!

preaching intefaith and this all roads lead , IS NOT LOVE nor loving one enemies .
IT has left them in the darkness and that which is of anti christ and they will all wail at their end .
But dont you worry one bit mark , I will expose it all for the sakes of all peoples
and let JESUS ALONE and FAITH IN HIM be told as THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED .
For me THERE SIMPLY IS no common ground with darkness . IT JESUS p reaching time in the building .

 

[Chrysostomos]

You don't seem to know the book you claim shows this "heresy" to begin with. And no, I've not done a 180.

I'm telling you God says, Love your enemies. Now go and do so.

Much love!

I explained this clearly—see posts #184 and #185–187.