Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

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Historically, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, comprising ten tribes, was conquered by Assyria around 722 BCE. The Assyrians deported much of Israel's population to regions like Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Media, as part of their policy of scattering conquered peoples (2 Kings 17:24). This led to the "lost ten tribes," who largely assimilated into other nations, and the Northern Kingdom ceased to exist as a state.

After this, only the Southern Kingdom of Judah remained, primarily made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and some Levites. Judah was later conquered by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar II around 587/586 BCE, and its people were taken into the Babylonian captivity. After Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BCE, King Cyrus the Great issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple (Ezra 1:1–4), which was completed around 516 BCE. From that point until the time of Jesus (circa 4 BCE–30 CE), the restored community was known as Judah, not Israel. It existed under Persian, Greek, and later Roman rule (from 63 BCE, when Pompey captured Jerusalem). In 70 CE, the Romans, under Titus, destroyed the Second Temple and Jerusalem, effectively ending Judah as a center of Jewish statehood until modern times.

Yet, in 1948, the founders of the modern state chose the name "Israel." This choice is significant because the descendants of the biblical Israel were dispersed long before the Second Temple period, and over 2,000 years have passed since the destruction of Judah in 70 CE. Some question whether modern Israelis are truly descendants of Abraham’s tribes, given the long history of dispersion and intermingling, especially for the "lost" tribes of Israel, whose assimilation began over 2,700 years ago.

The name "Israel" for the modern state might evoke the biblical unity of all twelve tribes, but historically and genealogically, claiming direct continuity with the ancient Israel is questionable.

There's no historical evidence (from Josephus, archaeology, or other sources) of organized, unassimilated communities from the ten northern tribes (the ones conquered by Assyria in 722 BCE) still existing as distinct groups in 1st-century Palestine. The northern territory had long been repopulated by Samaritans—a mixed group of Assyrian settlers and remnant Israelites who intermarried and developed their own syncretic faith.

the 1st century, "Israel" as a national or tribal entity from the united monarchy era (pre-922 BCE) no longer existed. The northern kingdom had vanished 800 years earlier, assimilated into Assyrian territories, leaving only the southern kingdom's remnants (Judeans, or Jews).
That's why descendants of Judah/Benjamin would historically have named a restored state "Judah," not "Israel"—the two were separate (and often rival) kingdoms in the Bible.

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?
 

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Here’s the issue: Israel’s founders in 1948 chose the name “Israel” over “Judea.” Why?
Israel (the Northern Kingdom) had zero God-pleasing kings—all 19, from Jeroboam I to Hoshea, were condemned for idolatry (1–2 Kings).

Judea, however, had 8 godly kings out of 20: Asa, Jehoshaphat, Joash, Azariah, Jotham, Hezekiah, Manasseh (after repentance), and Josiah (2 Kings 18–23).
By choosing “Israel,” the founders signaled a vision tied to a rebellious, idolatrous legacy, not Judea’s godly remnant.

The 10 northern tribes of Israel got fully assimilated and dissolved over the course of ~800 years after the Assyrian conquest.
And you’re telling me that in over 2,000 years since the fall of Judah, the descendants of Judah and Benjamin somehow didn’t mix at all?
Seriously?
 
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Then the collapse of the USSR: a decade of unemployment, crime, inflation, defaults, and despair followed. Meanwhile, Israel was offering new repatriates an "absorption basket"—about 10,000 shekels per family (roughly $2,500 in the 1990s). Half was paid upon arrival at the airport, the rest over six months. Add to that free Hebrew courses (ulpan), tax breaks for 3.5 years, housing assistance—up to 50% of rent for the first three years and 2% interest mortgages for home purchases—and job support, including programs for professionals like doctors and teachers, plus grants for starting businesses. I vividly remember the 1990s, when my city was plastered with ads: "For a small fee, we’ll uncover your Jewish roots and help you repatriate to Israel. 100% guaranteed." For a couple hundred bucks, anyone could secure "verified" Jewish ancestry. Even now, Google serves me ads for legal services promising help with Israeli repatriation. Something tells me the situation was similar in places like Argentina—people are the same everywhere.

From 1948 to 2025, the total number of repatriates from the former Soviet Union and their descendants is roughly 2,174,800, making up 28.2% of Israel’s non-Arab population (7,707,000).

1991–2001: around 1 million repatriates from the CIS, accounting for 90% of all repatriates. Russia — 50%, Ukraine — 30%, other CIS countries — 20%. During this period, CIS repatriates made up about 90% of everyone heading to Israel. For example, from 1990–2001, less than 10% came from other countries (USA, Western Europe).

Reality paints a clear picture: people continue to emigrate from CIS countries to Israel, not the other way around. Recent data confirms this trend. After the Ukraine conflict began in 2014, repatriation from the CIS spiked:
In 2015, Ukraine provided 7,200 repatriates (30% of the total), Russia 4,700 (20%), and the CIS overall accounted for about 60% of all repatriates.
In 2022, following the full-scale war, Russia and Ukraine together made up 80% of repatriates: 28,000 from Russia (40%) and 28,000 from Ukraine (40%).

By comparison, repatriation from other regions remains minimal: In 2015, Western Europe contributed 1,200 people (5%, mostly from France), and the USA 500 (2%).
In 2022, the USA provided 3,000 (4%), and Western Europe 3,500 (5%).

The irony is striking: just yesterday, a third of Israel’s population consisted of Party communists, Pioneers, and Komsomol members belting out:
"The fight goes on and on,
Our hearts are restless still.
And Lenin, ever young,
Leads October’s thrill."

Today, those same people sing: "I firmly believe in the coming of the Messiah. It may not happen soon, but I will wait for him." This song draws from Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Judaism, a declaration of faith in the Messiah’s eventual arrival. But how can you take such a rapid ideological U-turn seriously?

P.S. Many of my classmates, acquaintances, and friends emigrated to Israel after the collapse of the USSR. Before they repatriated to Israel, none of them knew they were Jewish. But now, all of them—100%—are certain they know which tribe they come from.

Would you believe them?
 
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Yes, I believe.

Do you believe that the 6 million Jews exterminated in Hitler's death camps were "real" Jews?
 

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Romans
2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Dude, quoting Romans 2:28-29 with zero explanation?

I’ve never understood people who dodge a straight question by just dropping Bible verses like that’s the mic drop. And when it’s Protestants doing it? Bro, there are as many interpretations as there are denominations — which is like 40,000+. So yeah, that could mean literally anything.
But after your post:
If thou believest not in Jesus Christ, thou shalt not inherit the joy of soaring through the cosmos. For the world shall perish in a cyberpunk-like manner; and if the world is destroyed, how shalt thou yet dream of soaring through the cosmos? Thou shalt only fade away in the delusion of electronic immortality, and be cast into the lake of fire that is the war which destroys the world. Even the electronic Sheol shall not bear thy rest, for that day is the day of destruction. This is not scientific truth, but the judgment of God’s divine science. Only those who believe in Jesus Christ shall obtain the joy of soaring through the cosmos and gain electronic immortality—this is the redemption of God.

I’m not even sure what you are. This isn’t Christianity. This is something else entirely.

So I have no freaking clue what you even mean when you drop those quotes.
 

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Yes, I believe.

Do you believe that the 6 million Jews exterminated in Hitler's death camps were "real" Jews?
Yeah, you can believe anything. UFOs, Bigfoot, Atlantis, whatever.

But shouldn’t there be arguments, facts, evidence, logic to back it up? Or nah?

By widely accepted historical consensus, as early as the 1st century CE, there’s zero evidence that the 10 northern tribes survived anywhere as distinct groups. They were gone — assimilated 800 years earlier.

So before we even talk about “6 million Jews” in the Holocaust, maybe let’s establish who we’re counting.

Because if you’re claiming modern Israelis are the “lost tribes,” you’re not just believing — you’re rewriting history.
 
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Yeah, you can believe anything. UFOs, Bigfoot, Atlantis, whatever.

But shouldn’t there be arguments, facts, evidence, logic to back it up? Or nah?

I had more to post but it sounds like you're mind is already made up. I'll bow out.
 
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I had more to post but it sounds like you're mind is already made up. I'll bow out.
Historical consensus, official stats, and real-world observation leave zero room for doubt.
But you? You say you know something — yet won’t say it.
Fine.
Tap-out accepted.
Keep your “trump card” tucked in your sleeve.
 
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Historically, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, comprising ten tribes, was conquered by Assyria around 722 BCE. The Assyrians deported much of Israel's population to regions like Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Media, as part of their policy of scattering conquered peoples (2 Kings 17:24). This led to the "lost ten tribes," who largely assimilated into other nations, and the Northern Kingdom ceased to exist as a state.

After this, only the Southern Kingdom of Judah remained, primarily made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and some Levites. Judah was later conquered by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar II around 587/586 BCE, and its people were taken into the Babylonian captivity. After Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BCE, King Cyrus the Great issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple (Ezra 1:1–4), which was completed around 516 BCE. From that point until the time of Jesus (circa 4 BCE–30 CE), the restored community was known as Judah, not Israel. It existed under Persian, Greek, and later Roman rule (from 63 BCE, when Pompey captured Jerusalem). In 70 CE, the Romans, under Titus, destroyed the Second Temple and Jerusalem, effectively ending Judah as a center of Jewish statehood until modern times.

Yet, in 1948, the founders of the modern state chose the name "Israel." This choice is significant because the descendants of the biblical Israel were dispersed long before the Second Temple period, and over 2,000 years have passed since the destruction of Judah in 70 CE. Some question whether modern Israelis are truly descendants of Abraham’s tribes, given the long history of dispersion and intermingling, especially for the "lost" tribes of Israel, whose assimilation began over 2,700 years ago.

The name "Israel" for the modern state might evoke the biblical unity of all twelve tribes, but historically and genealogically, claiming direct continuity with the ancient Israel is questionable.

There's no historical evidence (from Josephus, archaeology, or other sources) of organized, unassimilated communities from the ten northern tribes (the ones conquered by Assyria in 722 BCE) still existing as distinct groups in 1st-century Palestine. The northern territory had long been repopulated by Samaritans—a mixed group of Assyrian settlers and remnant Israelites who intermarried and developed their own syncretic faith.

the 1st century, "Israel" as a national or tribal entity from the united monarchy era (pre-922 BCE) no longer existed. The northern kingdom had vanished 800 years earlier, assimilated into Assyrian territories, leaving only the southern kingdom's remnants (Judeans, or Jews).
That's why descendants of Judah/Benjamin would historically have named a restored state "Judah," not "Israel"—the two were separate (and often rival) kingdoms in the Bible.

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?
No, that is correct, the core of the modern state of Israel is not a remnant of the ancient state, although it is hard to say if they share a common bloodline--which no longer makes anyone biblically Israelian. With the coming of Christ, He was The Last of the house of Israel, and The First of that other fold of the gentiles He "must also bring" unto the Father (as "one new man").

Historically, the core or original group that formed the modern state of Israel in 1948 were Khazarians, from the area of Ukraine. Who seized opportunity to establish their own country, having lost their homeland to Russia who nearly wiped them out for practicing Satan worship and kidnapping and sacrificing Russian children. Following WW2 when Europe was being rebuilt they played upon the kindness of those wanting improvement in planning for the future of the remaining community of nations, and highjacked the lost Zionists heritage to form what is now the modern state of Israel. Which continues to operate undercover and by the generosity of well intended support of what once was, now existing under the "lie" and "strong delusion" epidemic among Christian nations.
 
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Historical consensus, official stats, and real-world observation leave zero room for doubt.
But you? You say you know something — yet won’t say it.
Fine.
Tap-out accepted.
Keep your “trump card” tucked in your sleeve.

You're not exactly walking in the Spirit, my brother.
 

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No segment of humanity is as persecuted as Jewish people and their homeland, Israel. The Holocaust should be a Himalayan example to those that follow Jesus that the world still hates and persecutes Jews. If the Holocaust wasn't a persecution, then nothing is.

Eighty years after the Holocaust the hatred and persecution of the Jewish people remains far greater than any other segment of humanity. The United Nations, as a matter of routine procedure for the past 50+ years, has fought against Israel's Jews. Godless, western, leftists have funded BILLIONS to radical Islamic causes who murder Israeli Jews.

Christians should be able to discern that Satan remains hard at work lying to the lost of the world to persecute the Jewish people. The world hates Jews even more than they hate Jesus and Christian.

John 15:19
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19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.​

 
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You're not exactly walking in the Spirit, my brother.
Another one is talking about the "spirit".
Everyone here claims they "walk in the spirit".

Your only argument is "you don’t walk in the spirit."

Well, what am I supposed to say to that? What is there even to talk about?
 

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Historically, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, comprising ten tribes, was conquered by Assyria around 722 BCE. The Assyrians deported much of Israel's population to regions like Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Media, as part of their policy of scattering conquered peoples (2 Kings 17:24). This led to the "lost ten tribes," who largely assimilated into other nations, and the Northern Kingdom ceased to exist as a state.

After this, only the Southern Kingdom of Judah remained, primarily made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and some Levites. Judah was later conquered by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar II around 587/586 BCE, and its people were taken into the Babylonian captivity. After Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BCE, King Cyrus the Great issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple (Ezra 1:1–4), which was completed around 516 BCE. From that point until the time of Jesus (circa 4 BCE–30 CE), the restored community was known as Judah, not Israel. It existed under Persian, Greek, and later Roman rule (from 63 BCE, when Pompey captured Jerusalem). In 70 CE, the Romans, under Titus, destroyed the Second Temple and Jerusalem, effectively ending Judah as a center of Jewish statehood until modern times.

Yet, in 1948, the founders of the modern state chose the name "Israel." This choice is significant because the descendants of the biblical Israel were dispersed long before the Second Temple period, and over 2,000 years have passed since the destruction of Judah in 70 CE. Some question whether modern Israelis are truly descendants of Abraham’s tribes, given the long history of dispersion and intermingling, especially for the "lost" tribes of Israel, whose assimilation began over 2,700 years ago.

The name "Israel" for the modern state might evoke the biblical unity of all twelve tribes, but historically and genealogically, claiming direct continuity with the ancient Israel is questionable.

There's no historical evidence (from Josephus, archaeology, or other sources) of organized, unassimilated communities from the ten northern tribes (the ones conquered by Assyria in 722 BCE) still existing as distinct groups in 1st-century Palestine. The northern territory had long been repopulated by Samaritans—a mixed group of Assyrian settlers and remnant Israelites who intermarried and developed their own syncretic faith.

the 1st century, "Israel" as a national or tribal entity from the united monarchy era (pre-922 BCE) no longer existed. The northern kingdom had vanished 800 years earlier, assimilated into Assyrian territories, leaving only the southern kingdom's remnants (Judeans, or Jews).
That's why descendants of Judah/Benjamin would historically have named a restored state "Judah," not "Israel"—the two were separate (and often rival) kingdoms in the Bible.

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?
. There were remnants of all Israel left in the land after the Assyrian exile:

2 Ch 30:5 So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beer-sheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the Lord God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done it of a long time in such sort as it was written.

2 Ch 30:10-11

So the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh even unto Zebulun: but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them. Nevertheless divers of Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem.

None of the tribes were lost as even James testifies:

Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

DNA proves that Ashkenazi Jews ultimately trace their origins straight back to ancient Israel. The theory that today's Ashkenazis descend not from the Holy Land but, rather, from Khazaria, a medieval Turkic empire in the Causasus region has been proven false.

The Khazar-origin premise has crumbled under the onslaught of modern molecular genetics. The latest volley: a study published this week in Nature Communications. The study's senior author, Stanford geneticist Peter Underhill, PhD, works in the lab of Carlos Bustamante, PhD, whose high-resolution techniques have highlighted the historical hopscotch of other migratory peoples.


Underhill, Bustamante and their co-authors analyzed the Y chromosome - a piece of the human genome invariably handed down father-to-son - of a set of Ashkenazi men claiming descent from Levi, the founder of one of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. (Names such as Levy, Levine and Levitt, for example, bespeak a Levite heritage.)


Article: New genetic study: More evidence for modern Ashkenazi Jews' ancient Hebrew patrimony
 
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Another one is talking about the "spirit".
Everyone here claims they "walk in the spirit".

Your only argument is "you don’t walk in the spirit."

Well, what am I supposed to say to that? What is there even to talk about?

It's not "walking in the spirit" to mock and disparage brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
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The Holocaust should be a Himalayan example to those that follow Jesus that the world still hates and persecutes Jews. If the Holocaust wasn't a persecution, then nothing is.
One would certainly think so, and so that has become the biggest part of the problem. But that just refers to the bloodline--which is not the issue. From that natural and seemingly logical thinking, however, is what prompted Christ to say, "Wherever the carcass is (wherever the bloodline is) the eagles will be gathered together."

If you can receive it--Jesus saying "It is finished"--actually did mean He was finished with the house of Israel, for whom He first came before going on to that "other fold"He said He "must also bring" (to the Father).
 
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One would certainly think so, and so that has become the biggest part of the problem. But that just refers to the bloodline--which is not the issue. From that natural and seemingly logical thinking, however, is what prompted Christ to say, "Wherever the carcass is (wherever the bloodline is) the eagles will be gathered together."

If you can receive it--Jesus saying "It is finished"--actually did mean He was finished with the house of Israel, for whom He first came before going on to that "other fold"He said He "must also bring" (to the Father).

I can discern that the whole world hates Israel and its Jews, including many so-called "followers of Christ". Clearly, Israel and its Jews remain an integral part of God's plan.
 
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I can discern that the whole world hates Israel and its Jews, including many so-called "followers of Christ". Clearly, Israel and its Jews remain an integral part of God's plan.
You deny what is written--that Jesus came "but for the house of Israel" and when He had finished He said "It is finished?"
 
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