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[David in NJ]

Not true... Apostle means one sent of God.

There are other Apostles, although the 12 have a special place with the Lord even though you cannot prove from scripture that Paul is the replacement for Judas

You can speculate but you cannot prove it from scripture which is why you have not already posted scripture that specifically tells us that Paul is the Lord's replacement for Judas.

But by all means, don't hesitate to speculate! View attachment 72768

The authentication of an apostle is that they had to know the CHRIST when HE was on earth and be specifically called DIRECTLY by CHRIST in PERSON.

The Apostel Paul lived during the Time of Christ on earth and knew about Christ but thought HE was a heretic against Moses/Law.

CHRIST directly came to Paul = Acts

While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, 13at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. 14And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ 15So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Please reference that scripture in the KJV, and you will see that it is talking about the OT prophets, who WERE moved by the Holy Spirit and not by "private interpretations".2 Peter 1
[20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the [OT] scripture is of any private interpretation.
[21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Today, "we have the mind of Christ" (aka His Holy Spirit) to instruct and interpret to us the scriptures. 1 Cor. ch. 2.

So you believe you can reinterpret the New Testament inspired writers to suit your fancy then. Still blasphemy and you know that that verse though specific to the OT also apllies to the NT writers. The Apostles and not you laid the foundation of the church with Jesus being the chief cornerstone.

Not a lie, but rather a terrible misunderstanding by Peter, as well as the visible church!

And you know this through what mind reading trick? So the other apostles also got caught up in Peters terrible misunderstanding. (though if you look in the NT Peter never called Paul an Apostle) Also the other 108 in the room who voted for the teo and then all those who cast lots (voted) for Matthias? Sorry but you are going to have to do lots better than making assertions without biblical empirical evidence.

1 Cor. ch. 2 is my reply

So you think you can rewrite Scripture cuz you hear from God? WOW!!!!!!!

You wrote: "But Jesus said the holy place where the altar is not."
Can you please give the scripture reference instead of paraphrasing it?
And when you do, please be sure that you understand WHO Psalm 24:3-5 is speaking about. Thanks.

Heb. 9
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Leviticus 6:26
The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 6:27
Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.

And for your info; Psalm 24 is referring to teh heavenly temple and the holy place outside of the most holy place which the earthly one is merely a copy. It is not a person but a place. If you demand it be a person then Jesus enters HImself in Psalm 24 and the AOD enters Jesus in Matthew 24.

 

[David in NJ]

So you believe you can reinterpret the New Testament inspired writers to suit your fancy then. Still blasphemy and you know that that verse though specific to the OT also apllies to the NT writers. The Apostles and not you laid the foundation of the church with Jesus being the chief cornerstone.


And you know this through what mind reading trick? So the other apostles also got caught up in Peters terrible misunderstanding. (though if you look in the NT Peter never called Paul an Apostle) Also the other 108 in the room who voted for the teo and then all those who cast lots (voted) for Matthias? Sorry but you are going to have to do lots better than making assertions without biblical empirical evidence.

So you think you can rewrite Scripture cuz you hear from God? WOW!!!!!!!


Heb. 9
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Leviticus 6:26
The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 6:27
Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.

And for your info; Psalm 24 is referring to teh heavenly temple and the holy place outside of the most holy place which the earthly one is merely a copy. It is not a person but a place. If you demand it be a person then Jesus enters HImself in Psalm 24 and the AOD enters Jesus in Matthew 24.

Speaking of 'blasphemy', current christiandom is very comfortable committing the sin of blasphemy

For they say the following:

a) The Church will not be here to see or confront the Antichrist

b.) Any new technology is not the Mark because we won't be here via pre-trib rapture"

c.) Those who suffer satan's wrath are saints who get saved AFTER the pre-trib rapture

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Apostel Paul lived during the Time of Christ on earth and knew about Christ

Jesus appeared to Paul and taught Paul personally... try again.

The authentication of an apostle is that they had to know the CHRIST when HE was on earth and be specifically called DIRECTLY by CHRIST in PERSON.

That's not what the word Apostle actually means.

You got that from the religious people that teach reformed theology as they love to read in to scripture things it does not say

Still waiting for chapter and verse that specifically said Paul is the replacement for Judas.... all you got is speculation on that

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus appeared to Paul and taught Paul personally... try again.




That's not what the word Apostle actually means.

You got that from the religious people that teach reformed theology as they love to read in to scripture things it does not say

Still waiting for chapter and verse that specifically said Paul is the replacement for Judas.... all you got is speculation on that

DO NOT add to my words for that is committing the sin of slander.

JESUS appeared to Paul = CLEAR as DAY in ACTS

After that Paul was Baptised in the Holy Spirit who taught him.

 

[Earburner]

So you believe you can reinterpret the New Testament inspired writers to suit your fancy then. Still blasphemy and you know that that verse though specific to the OT also apllies to the NT writers. The Apostles and not you laid the foundation of the church with Jesus being the chief cornerstone.

You still do not comprehend 1 Cor. ch. 2

And you know this through what mind reading trick? So the other apostles also got caught up in Peters terrible misunderstanding. (though if you look in the NT Peter never called Paul an Apostle) Also the other 108 in the room who voted for the teo and then all those who cast lots (voted) for Matthias? Sorry but you are going to have to do lots better than making assertions without biblical empirical evidence.

1Cor. 2
[10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Some "empirical evidence" would be a quote from the "Book of Matthias", but there is no such thing.
Continue to study 1 Cor. ch. 2 hard and long.

So you think you can rewrite Scripture cuz you hear from God? WOW!!!!!!!

Your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but rather in the power [Spirit] of God. 1 Cor. ch. 2

Heb. 9
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Leviticus 6:26
The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 6:27
Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.

Yes, I quoted Heb. 9:24 to you, which is saying that after Jesus came to us in the flesh, he now is made Immortal, has obtained the Righteousness of God and has entered into the holy places
appearing in the presence of God FOR US.

And for your info; Psalm 24 is referring to teh heavenly temple and the holy place outside of the most holy place which the earthly one is merely a copy. It is not a person but a place. If you demand it be a person then Jesus enters HImself in Psalm 24 and the AOD enters Jesus in Matthew 24.

You might want to rethink that again.
The heavenly temple is not a building. It is Heavenly Jerusalem, the eternal place of all people who have received the permanent indwelling of God's Holy Spirit.
Rev. 21
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. In other words, our literal bodies are the temple of the living God.

As for your religious concept of what church-ianity thinks the "AOD" is,
IT IS NOT anything like they understand it, in comparison to how it is described in KJV Dan. 11:31, 12:11. "The abomination that maketh desolate".
Now ask yourself: what abomination against God made or caused the temple building and Jerusalem to be made desolate?
Ans. Prov. 6:17.
Ok now! Who was that person whose innocent blood was shed?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Speaking of 'blasphemy', current christiandom is very comfortable committing the sin of blasphemy

For they say the following:

a) The Church will not be here to see or confront the Antichrist

b.) Any new technology is not the Mark because we won't be here via pre-trib rapture"

c.) Those who suffer satan's wrath are saints who get saved AFTER the pre-trib rapture

Sorry but those are not blasphemy. they are biblical doctrines

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You still do not comprehend 1 Cor. ch. 2

Yes I do! It does not give anyone the authority to rewrite Scripture as you and legions of others have done.

1Cor. 2
[10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
[11] For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

And when your conclusions violate the clear teachings of Scripture, they must be resisited at all costs as the false teachings they are.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Speaking of 'blasphemy', current christiandom is very comfortable committing the sin of blasphemy

For they say the following:

a) The Church will not be here to see or confront the Antichrist

b.) Any new technology is not the Mark because we won't be here via pre-trib rapture"

c.) Those who suffer satan's wrath are saints who get saved AFTER the pre-trib rapture

First off there will be those who get born again during the great trib. Secondly God's Word clearly teaches that we are not appointed unto wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) whether it be God's wrath or the devil's wrath

Sadly some people try to read into scripture something it does not say as they claim 1 Thessalonians 5:9 is not speaking about the devil's wrath. Adding to what God says in sinful behavior.

Yes, there is no pre-trib rapture as that day (day the rapture happens) will not come until there is a falling away and the man of sin be revealed. So, true Christians believing to be rescued by the Lord will not go thru the last half of the tribulation when all the really bad stuff happens.

2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

This is why the fear mongers claiming Christians cannot be delivered from satan's wrath are to be ignored as we are told in verse 3

Revelation 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

We see in Revelation 3:10 that real Christians will be kept from this hour

But after the rapture happens there will be people who get born again and they will face being killed for their faith

 

[Earburner]

Speaking of 'blasphemy', current christiandom is very comfortable committing the sin of blasphemy

For they say the following:

a) The Church will not be here to see or confront the Antichrist

b.) Any new technology is not the Mark because we won't be here via pre-trib rapture"

c.) Those who suffer satan's wrath are saints who get saved AFTER the pre-trib rapture

Items a,b,c are a real clown show!

Yeah, I once believed that fictional view also, but thanks be to God and His Holy Spirit, I was delivered from church-ianity's mumbo jumbo about a secret rapture and a 7.0 or 3.5 year great tribulation. The only way out of that "head slamin' circus", is to agree with God that the 70th week of Jesus** took place while He was confirming the New covenant with His disciples for the first 3.5 years,
and then after His resurrection, he continued confirming the New covenant for the remaining 3.5 years with the early church, of which is exactly when Jesus met His replacement Apostle, Saul/Paul, on the road to Damascus.
**Ref. KJV Dan. 9:24-27.

 

[David in NJ]

Items a,b,c are a real clown show!

Yeah, I once believed that fictional view also, but thanks be to God and His Holy Spirit, I was delivered from church-ianity's mumbo jumbo about a secret rapture and a 7.0-3.5 year tribulation. The only way out of that "head slamin circus", is to agree with God that the 70th week of Jesus** took place while He was confirming the New covenant with His disciples for the first 3.5 years,
and then after His resurrection, he continued confirming the New covenant for the remaining 3.5 years with the early church, of which is exactly when Jesus met Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.
**Ref. KJV Dan. 9:24-27.

Yepper

i also was a pre-fibber until i studied and PRAYED and studied some more

Big Thank You for your encouragement - we are experiencing some sorrow as our son Daniel(19) is in pain 24/7 from, as yet,
undetermined illnes - even though w ehave been to about 6 doctors already and many blood tests.

 

[David in NJ]

First off there will be those who get born again during the great trib.

Well then, the Body of Christ remains just as JESUS said = "at the last day .... then the end will come... then I COME"

Secondly God's Word clearly teaches that we are not appointed unto wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9) whether it be God's wrath or the devil's wrath

100% TRUTH = PRE-WRATH DELIVERENCE = 1 Thess 1:10

and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our Deliverer from the coming wrath.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well then, the Body of Christ remains just as JESUS said = "at the last day .... then the end will come... then I COME"

You are confusing the rapture and Jesus's second return

The rapture happens when real Christians go to meet Jesus in the air at which time He does not actually return to earth

His second coming is when He lands on the Mount of Olives physically returning to earth to set up His 1000 Year Reign over this world.

and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our Deliverer from the coming wrath.

Some reject the rapture and elect instead to go thru the entire tribulation period.

It's pleases the Lord to catch away those that are set apart unto Him.

Psalm 4:3
But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.

 

[Earburner]

Yepper

i also was a pre-fibber until i studied and PRAYED and studied some more

Big Thank You for your encouragement - we are experiencing some sorrow as our son Daniel(19) is in pain 24/7 from, as yet,
undetermined illnes - even though w ehave been to about 6 doctors already and many blood tests.

Dear brother David, you, your son Daniel and family are in my prayers. May God bless and keep you all, through the tribulation of the medical search for your son's relief from pain and suffering, in Jesus' Name.
Earburner

 

[David in NJ]

You are confusing the rapture and Jesus's second return

i would NEVER do such a thing and you know WHAT = neither did JESUS, the Apostles or the OT Prophets

SEE here = Matt 13:36-43
Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Apostle Paul - 1 Thess 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [d]asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Apostle John - 1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

 

[Earburner]

You are confusing the rapture and Jesus's second return

The rapture happens when real Christians go to meet Jesus in the air at which time He does not actually return to earth

His second coming is when He lands on the Mount of Olives physically returning to earth to set up His 1000 Year Reign over this world.

KJV Luke 17:28-30 and 2 Thes. 1:7-10 teaches that as being a simultaneous event.

 

[David in NJ]

Dear brother David, you, your son Daniel and family are in my prayers. May God bless and keep you all, through the tribulation of the medical search for your son's relief from pain and suffering, in Jesus' Name.
Earburner

You are my Joy today - thank you

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

KJV Luke 17:28-30 and 2 Thes. 1;:7-10 teaches that as being a simultaneous event.

Only to those who are confused.

 

[David in NJ]

Only to those who are confused.

pre-trib rapture is "only to those who are confused"

FIXED IT FOR you BigBoyJohnny

 

[Earburner]

Only to those who are confused.

The critical word in KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10 is the word "When".

So I ask you: "When is when"?