Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

[Reggie Belafonte]

Read the posts...If Jews held to their creed on even the pain of death then it's a strong indicator that they are real descendants. Why would 6 million die by Hitler's hand if they were not real?

We see with Holy Moses, that a Mob of Jews tryed to Kill Him !
We can see also where Jews tryed to kill their Brother, but then Sold him !
We can see that the Talmud is the most Evil books ever written and that such is the main Curse for not only Jews but the whole world in fact, I found in Hitlers Book, the very same spirit of a Death Cult. the Nazis were on the same track as the Talmud is ! but not as bad as the Talmud tho ?

The 6 million Killed by the Nazis were a clear threat to the Talmud so called Jews !
For if you bother to have a understanding of Hitlers era, you will see that, Hitler was a total creation of People hidden in Power who hide in the Shaddows ! it was They who brought this Hitler to come ionto power in fact and in fact controled him ! for their own ends !

The Talmud Jews controled and created the Nazi Socialist Party ! and they tryed to get the German Jews to come on board with them !
But they could not get around 90% of the German Jews to swallow their propaganda in fact !
Jewish newspapers were forbidden !
Do you understand that fact !
But only for the Zionist Jewish Newspapers were alowed to Print in fact !
Such was the Propagands machine at work !

So it's clear to see that the Nazis were in bed with the Zionist ! but the Zionist tryed to convert the German Jews ! but failed badly in all their efforts ! so the Solution came into play ? because such Jews were the greatest Threat to the Talmud and it's creation of a so called Zionist Mob !

All was clearly backed by Rothschilds and Co ends ! for they have admitted to being the very creator of the State in fact on TV personaly !

Governments of the world are all Crap, stooges to powers hidden in the back ground in the darkness or not brought to light, like G Soros etc etc and their deeds of willfull creating division inside Nations ! and against Nations and against good will to all ?

Such as they play most people for fools in fact !
For it is their workings that they creat the narrow minded short sighted one sided propaganda that leads to such as hellfire !

We can see all such with their creation of WW2 ! and also nowadays in Israel and Ukraine ! it's all created and founded on nothing but BS ! it's all hot air !
For if the people were truly awake and truly knew the reality, their would never started such Stupid foolish idiot Wars ! for only morons would swallow it all !

Now who is making the big money in all such ? do the Media show you such ? HAHA Fools ! not to mention who is paying for such Wars ? You the Tax payer HAHA ! THEY HAVE IT ALL IN THE BAG !

Jesus was totaly correct, This world is Full of Deceptions and Delusions !

 

[HealthyShape]

You are wresting the text into your own paradigm. Let's look at the text. In no way can it be discombobulated into the caricature of interpretation that you present. it doesn't mean "after that"...LOL

ἄχρις οὗ (achris hou) is a Greek phrase that means “until” or “up to the time when.”
It’s composed of:

• ἄχρι(ς) — “until,” “as far as,” or “up to.”
• οὗ — a relative pronoun in the genitive case, meaning “of which” or “when” (in this idiomatic expression, it gives the sense of “until the time when”).

So, ἄχρις οὗ = “until” (a point in time).

Examples:

• Μείνε ἐνθάδε ἄχρις οὗ ἔλθω. → “Stay here until I come.”
• In the New Testament: ἄχρις οὗ πληρωθῶσιν καιροί ἐθνῶν → “until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” (Luke 21:24)

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I think you did not get my point at all.

Of course it does not mean "after that", that is what I am saying. There is no "after that all Israel will be saved" verse.

The text says "in this way [hútós] the whole Israel will be saved". In what way? In the way of Gentiles coming in. The true Israel which will be saved are Christians - Jews and Gentiles.

The text says nothing about the future of "physical" Israel, of the blinded Jews.

 

[shepherdsword]

The text says "in this way [hútós] the whole [true] Israel will be saved". In what way? In the way of Gentiles coming in.

That's not what the text says. That's plain silly. You are willfully ignorant of the Greek. I even posted the entire passage for you. Stop forcing your errant view into the text. However, after THIS all Israel will be saved:

1)Israel will go through a series of successful judgements that will eradicate all non believing jews ( Joel 2:32

2)Half of Jerusalem will be destroyed.(Zech 14:2)

3)Two thirds of Israel will be destroyed by judgement. (Zech 13:8)

4)The remaining one third will cry "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" and repent to have faith in Jesus Christ(Matt 23:39)

5)And so all Israel shall be saved (Rom11:26)

 

[HealthyShape]

That's not what the text says. That's plain silly. You are willfully ignorant of the Greek. I even posted the entire passage for you. Stop forcing your errant view into the text. However, after THIS all Israel will be saved:

1)Israel will go through a series of successful judgements that will eradicate all non believing jews ( Joel 2:32

2)Half of Jerusalem will be destroyed.(Zech 14:2)

3)Two thirds of Israel will be destroyed by judgement. (Zech 13:8)

4)The remaining one third will cry "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" and repent to have faith in Jesus Christ(Matt 23:39)

5)And so all Israel shall be saved (Rom11:26)

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1. Do you read Greek? It seems to me you don´t, because you are just copy/pasting interlinear screenshots. Do you understand the Koiné Greek language?

2. Do you understand the general theology of Paul about who is the real Jew and true Israel?

 

[shepherdsword]

1. Do you read Greek? It seems to me you don´t, because you are just copy/pasting interlinear screenshots. Do you understand the Koiné Greek language?

I am not a master scholar but I definitely understand it better than you. That much is obvious. Let's look at numerous translations of the verse. Let's see if any of them agree with you:

Ro 11:25-26
5 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
NIV

Ro 11:25-26
25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
ESV

Ro 11:25-26
25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery — so that you will not be wise in your own estimation — that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
NASU

Ro 11:25-26
25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,
RSV

Ro 11:25
Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in your own conceits), I do not want you to miss this hidden truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has [temporarily] befallen a part of Israel [to last] until the full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in,
AMP

None of the master scholars that translated these translations agree with you. ZERO Nadda Null. So let's hear your credentials that allow you to wrest the verse into some sad caricature of the true meaning? Have you ever even taken a greek class? Most of the scholars who translated these versions were not only well versed in Kione they also were well versed in the ATTIC.

2. Do you understand the general theology of Paul about who is the real Jew and true Israel?

Are you aware of Paul's warning about being wise in your own conceit?

 

[Chrysostomos]

Yeah, right and Jesus was speaking to first century jews in the gospels and Paul was speaking to first century gentiles and Peter was speaking to first century jews so none of this is applicable to us. Actually Paul was dealing with an attitude. An arrogant prideful attitude displayed by those who were wise in their own conceit:

Ro 11:25-26 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

As wise as they thought they were they failed to understand that Israel was merely shelved and not cast away. And Israel's current blindness was only for a set time...until the fullness of the gentiles.

You persistently ignore the core of my argument.

The Apostle Paul was speaking about the Jews of the 1st century. The modern inhabitants of Israel have no direct connection to those Jews Paul was addressing. To use Paul's own metaphor, modern Israelis are not the natural branches of the tree God cultivated. To express it in the language of Jesus' parables, modern Israelis are the tares—the weeds sown by the enemy in the field where the Lord's vineyard once stood.

I do not adhere to the dispensationalism of Darby. I lean more towards historic premillennialism
Please prove they are only converts. I keep asking you to provide some proof that modern jews aren't descended from ancient Israel but you keep sidestepping.

I’ve already laid out arguments and evidence based on widely accepted historical facts, official statistics, and personal observations. Plus, you’ve proven my point with the DNA evidence.
Meanwhile, you’ve ignored every single one of my arguments and questions. Not one answer from you.
Despite all this, you keep telling me: “you keep sidestepping.”
This is the perfect case where I can just paste this quote, and it fits what’s happening 100%:

“You manage, with great effort, to completely crush one of these people in an argument, leaving them no choice but to agree with you. You think you’ve at least made one step forward. But then, to your shock, the next day this Jew completely forgets everything from yesterday! He goes on spinning his tales as if nothing happened. If you, outraged by this shamelessness, point it out, he acts genuinely surprised; he can’t recall anything from yesterday’s debate, except that he proved his point as clear as two plus two is four.
Sometimes this completely disarmed me. I didn’t know what to marvel at more: their silver tongue or their mastery of lying."

Guess who wrote this and from what book?

 

[HealthyShape]

I am not a master scholar

I am not asking you if you are a master scholar. I am asking you if you read Greek. Are you able to read the New Testament in Greek, as a reader? Not as a scholar.

Ro 11:25-26
5 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
NIV

Ro 11:25-26
25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
ESV

Ro 11:25-26
25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery — so that you will not be wise in your own estimation — that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
NASU

Ro 11:25-26
25 Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, 26 and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,
RSV

Ro 11:25
Lest you be self-opinionated (wise in your own conceits), I do not want you to miss this hidden truth and mystery, brethren: a hardening (insensibility) has [temporarily] befallen a part of Israel [to last] until the full number of the ingathering of the Gentiles has come in,
AMP

None of the master scholars that translated these translations agree with you. ZERO Nadda Null.

All of them do. I am not sure if you have some reading issue, but all of them say "so" or "in this way". Do you want me to color it red for you?

Are you aware of Paul's warning about being wise in your own conceit?

Yes. Are you aware of the general Paul's theology about who is a true Jew and who is the true Israel? Do you know what "all Israel" means? (hint: it is not about flesh/ethnicity or Judaism).

 

[Chrysostomos]

Please prove they are only converts. I keep asking you to provide some proof that modern jews aren't descended from ancient Israel but you keep sidestepping.

I am beginning to see why you are foaming at the mouth in rabid criticism of modern Jews. You are an adherent to classic amillennialism. You seem to understand that if Israel has really come back into existence it makes your eschatological model obsolete. After all, it was only fabricated to force fulfillment of the promises to Israel onto the church. Your ilk puts the church in that place since it seemed impossible they could be fulfilled to a non-existent nation. Well, Israel HAS returned to the land in fulfillment of this prophecy...one that is impossible to be fulfilled in the church. Therefore, you can discard that outdated and obsolete eschatological model held by the RCC and receive truth.

Am 9:14-15 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

Your refusal to acknowledge the existence of converts in Judaism or the fact that people without Jewish roots immigrate to Israel is puzzling. I’m not even talking about corruption here—let’s set that aside. I’m referring to those who legally obtain Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return, without even a hint of Jewish ancestry.
Take my friend, for example. Back in the ‘90s, she bought a certificate “proving” Jewish roots, packed up her kids and her husband—who never claimed to be Jewish—and moved to Israel. So, what, her husband is now a Jew, not a Gentile?

Meanwhile, here I am in the US, constantly labeled a “pagan” by Christian Zionists. At first, it shocked me—it felt like an insult.
Why am I a pagan? My parents are believers. My grandparents, even under Soviet oppression, were devout. My grandmother hand-copied the Gospels into school notebooks and distributed them, risking 3 to 10 years in prison under Soviet laws like Article 70 (“anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda”) and Article 190-1 (“spreading knowingly false fabrications”). Printing or sharing the Bible was banned, yet she did it anyway, facing potential arrest and property confiscation.

My great-grandparents were Orthodox Christians too. As far back as I can trace my family, we’ve been faithful Orthodox Christians.
And yet, Christian Zionists in the US call me a pagan. Why? For what?
At the same time, those 2 million repatriants from Ukraine—many of whom remain atheists—are suddenly not pagans, but Jews?
This is absurd.
How does this double standard make any sense?

2 million Soviet repatriants? Half their DNA is European—same as Russians, Poles, Ukrainians (Rootsi et al., 2013; Behar, 2010).

Why do you call 2000-year-old Christian nations—like Armenians or Greeks—“pagan,” but some guy in Ukraine who buys a “Jewish roots” certificate is instantly a “Jew”?
Where’s the logic?

Your Amos 9:14–15? That’s about 538 BCE, the return from Babylon—Judah only. Fulfilled. Check Ezra and Nehemiah. No northern tribes listed.
And your Amillennialist jab? I’m not one. I just don’t buy your 19th-century Darby fanfic that twists Amos into 1948. The Church—Catholic, Orthodox—dumped your literal “1000-year kingdom” as heresy in 431 AD (Council of Ephesus).

You’re not answering my question.

 

[shepherdsword]

All of them do. I am not sure if you have some reading issue, but all of them say "so" or "in this way". Do you want me to color it red for you?

We reached a point where the discussion can no longer be fruitful. I think you're a person that can barely read on a 5th grade reading level and you obviously think the same of me. Once an argument decays to ad homininistic attacks it's time to stop. The insults will only get progressively worse from here.

 

[shepherdsword]

Your refusal to acknowledge the existence of converts in Judaism or the fact that people without Jewish roots immigrate to Israel is puzzling. I’m not even talking about corruption here—let’s set that aside. I’m referring to those who legally obtain Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return, without even a hint of Jewish ancestry.
Take my friend, for example. Back in the ‘90s, she bought a certificate “proving” Jewish roots, packed up her kids and her husband—who never claimed to be Jewish—and moved to Israel. So, what, her husband is now a Jew, not a Gentile?

Meanwhile, here I am in the US, constantly labeled a “pagan” by Christian Zionists. At first, it shocked me—it felt like an insult.
Why am I a pagan? My parents are believers. My grandparents, even under Soviet oppression, were devout. My grandmother hand-copied the Gospels into school notebooks and distributed them, risking 3 to 10 years in prison under Soviet laws like Article 70 (“anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda”) and Article 190-1 (“spreading knowingly false fabrications”). Printing or sharing the Bible was banned, yet she did it anyway, facing potential arrest and property confiscation.

My great-grandparents were Orthodox Christians too. As far back as I can trace my family, we’ve been faithful Orthodox Christians.
And yet, Christian Zionists in the US call me a pagan. Why? For what?
At the same time, those 2 million repatriants from Ukraine—many of whom remain atheists—are suddenly not pagans, but Jews?
This is absurd.
How does this double standard make any sense?

2 million Soviet repatriants? Half their DNA is European—same as Russians, Poles, Ukrainians (Rootsi et al., 2013; Behar, 2010).

Why do you call 2000-year-old Christian nations—like Armenians or Greeks—“pagan,” but some guy in Ukraine who buys a “Jewish roots” certificate is instantly a “Jew”?
Where’s the logic?

For the record, I never called you or anyone else a pagan.

Your Amos 9:14–15? That’s about 538 BCE, the return from Babylon—Judah only. Fulfilled. Check Ezra and Nehemiah. No northern tribes listed.
And your Amillennialist jab? I’m not one. I just don’t buy your 19th-century Darby fanfic that twists Amos into 1948. The Church—Catholic, Orthodox—dumped your literal “1000-year kingdom” as heresy in 431 AD (Council of Ephesus).

You’re not answering my question.

Am 9:15
5And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

Did you miss the part where they were not to be ever pulled out again? No conditions just a stated promise. You are right about one thing though. It has been fulfilled...but in 1948.

 

[Chrysostomos]

For the record, I never called you or anyone else a pagan.

Am 9:15
5And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

Did you miss the part where they were not to be ever pulled out again? No conditions just a stated promise. You are right about one thing though. It has been fulfilled...but in 1948.

You keep dodging my arguments and haven’t answered a single one of my questions.

You lean on Amos 9:15, claiming it’s a done deal for 1948—some “unconditional” promise that Israel will “never be uprooted again.” Wrong.

Amos 9:14–15 is about the return from Babylon in 538 BCE. The Jews came back, rebuilt the Temple by 516 BCE, and settled in Judea. Prophecy fulfilled.
It’s about Judah, not the 10 northern tribes lost to Assyria in 722 BCE. Read Ezra and Nehemiah—the returnees are listed: Judah, Benjamin, Levites. No Reuben, no Gad, no Naphtali. Not a whisper.
You say “no conditions”? Then explain why Judah was uprooted repeatedly:

70 CE: Romans torch Jerusalem, scatter Jews.
135 CE: Bar Kokhba revolt crushed, Jews banned from Judea.
No Jewish state.

If Amos 9:15 was an “unconditional” promise for 1948, how do you explain 2,000 years of exile? Either God lied—which is impossible—or you’re misreading it.
Leviticus 26 lays it out: God’s covenant was conditional. Obey, and you stay in the land. Disobey, and you’re out. Leviticus 26:33: “I will scatter you among the nations.” Amos 9 fits that same deal—repent, return, obey. Judah returned in 538 BCE, broke the covenant again, and got uprooted. Simple as that.

Your 1948 fantasy falls apart. You’re quoting Amos 9:15 as if it applies to a modern state, when Judah was wiped out over 2,000 years ago. Where’s the logical connection between a pre-Second Temple prophecy and a political state created in 1948? There isn’t one.

You’re peddling a recycled Dispensationalist dream, not Scripture.
Stop dodging. Answer my questions or admit you’ve got nothing.

 

[shepherdsword]

You keep dodging my arguments and haven’t answered a single one of my questions.

You lean on Amos 9:15, claiming it’s a done deal for 1948—some “unconditional” promise that Israel will “never be uprooted again.” Wrong.

Amos 9:14–15 is about the return from Babylon in 538 BCE. The Jews came back, rebuilt the Temple by 516 BCE, and settled in Judea. Prophecy fulfilled.
It’s about Judah, not the 10 northern tribes lost to Assyria in 722 BCE. Read Ezra and Nehemiah—the returnees are listed: Judah, Benjamin, Levites. No Reuben, no Gad, no Naphtali. Not a whisper.
You say “no conditions”? Then explain why Judah was uprooted repeatedly:

I said Amos 9:14-15 didn't have any conditions. Can you point the conditions out?

If Amos 9:15 was an “unconditional” promise for 1948, how do you explain 2,000 years of exile? Either God lied—which is impossible—or you’re misreading it.

The 2000 years of exile were not due to violating any condition of the 9:15 promise. The Babylonian exile was due to a violation of the land sabbaths. The Roman exile was due to their rejection of Christ. Amos 9:15 refers to the CURRENT regathering in the land.

Leviticus 26 lays it out: God’s covenant was conditional. Obey, and you stay in the land. Disobey, and you’re out. Leviticus 26:33: “I will scatter you among the nations.” Amos 9 fits that same deal—repent, return, obey. Judah returned in 538 BCE, broke the covenant again, and got uprooted. Simple as that.

Yes, and the Babylonian exile was a result of breaking that covenant.

Your 1948 fantasy falls apart. You’re quoting Amos 9:15 as if it applies to a modern state, when Judah was wiped out over 2,000 years ago. Where’s the logical connection between a pre-Second Temple prophecy and a political state created in 1948? There isn’t one.

It does refer to a modern state. The fact that Israel now exists as a nation blows away your obsolete interpretation. Israel was wiped out 2000 years ago because they rejected the messiah.

 

[HealthyShape]

We reached a point where the discussion can no longer be fruitful. I think you're a person that can barely read on a 5th grade reading level and you obviously think the same of me. Once an argument decays to ad homininistic attacks it's time to stop. The insults will only get progressively worse from here.

Well, let the other readers judge who cannot read. You denied your owned posted verses. It is true that such discussion can hardly be fruitful.

 

[HealthyShape]

Israel was wiped out 2000 years ago because they rejected the messiah.

But now, the situation is different, because...?

Also, you have quite a hard time defining Israel. Genetically, Palestinians are closer to the ancient Levant than the most of the Jewish immigrants to Israel, so this does not work. And if you are talking about historical and modern converts to Judaism, what do they even have in common with any Old Testament prophecy?

 

[shepherdsword]

Well, let the other readers judge who cannot read. You denied your owned posted verses. It is true that such discussion can hardly be fruitful.

I only denied your twisted interpretation which was proved to be wrong.

 

[Chrysostomos]

I said Amos 9:14-15 didn't have any conditions. Can you point the conditions out?

The 2000 years of exile were not due to violating any condition of the 9:15 promise. The Babylonian exile was due to a violation of the land sabbaths. The Roman exile was due to their rejection of Christ. Amos 9:15 refers to the CURRENT regathering in the land.


Yes, and the Babylonian exile was a result of breaking that covenant.

It does refer to a modern state. The fact that Israel now exists as a nation blows away your obsolete interpretation. Israel was wiped out 2000 years ago because they rejected the messiah.

I’ve already addressed your points in detail in my previous message, yet you keep circling back, sidestepping my arguments and steering the conversation off course. You’re trying to turn this into a Bible debate, but you’ve failed to provide a shred of evidence that the modern state of Israel or its Jewish citizens are direct descendants of the 10 lost tribes of the northern kingdom. Your entire case rests on a sleight of hand—manipulating names to create a false connection.

Today, there’s a state called Israel, and the Bible mentions a northern kingdom of Israel. There’s a group today call themselves Jews, and the Bible speaks of Jews. But what do they share beyond the name? Nothing.

Consider Egypt as an example. The modern state of Egypt exists, populated by Egyptians, just as the Bible describes an ancient Egypt with its own Egyptians. But modern Egypt isn’t the Egypt of Moses’ time. Its population, culture, and religion have transformed entirely—only the name remains. Similarly, the modern state of Israel and its citizens who call themselves “Jews”.

The key difference? Modern Egyptians—mostly Arabs—don’t claim to be the direct heirs of Pharaoh’s people. In contrast, the policy of modern Israel leans heavily on the myth that its citizens descend from the 10 lost tribes, a claim used to justify its existence and territorial rights. Strip away this narrative, and the argument—“we were here first, so the land is ours”—falls apart like a house of cards.

This myth also fuels American Christian Zionists. If this falsehood is exposed, their rationale for supporting what many, including UN reports, describe as a state engaged in oppressive policies crumbles entirely.

So, do you have any aces up your sleeve?
Or are you just going to keep circling?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Your argument is based on a fundamental statistical error known as an "ecological fallacy." You are taking generalized data about a population and mistakenly applying it to every single individual, which is a classic logical error.

Yes, genetic studies show that some portion of Ashkenazim possess Middle Eastern haplogroups. However, you are overlooking several key points:

First, these very same "Levantine" haplogroups are found in significant measure among Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and other peoples of the region. What, are they all "Jews" according to your logic? A more rational explanation is that these genetic markers simply reflect the shared ancestral population of the Levant, not some unique "Jewish bloodline."

Second, your attempt to attribute these genetic features exclusively to Jews ignores basic principles of population genetics. If we look at Palestinians, for instance, we find they often have an equally strong, if not stronger, genetic connection to the ancient Levant than many Ashkenazi Jews.

Third, your theory completely falls apart when we examine the case of the 2 million repatriates from the former USSR. If "Jewish DNA" were truly so unique and preserved over millennia, how do you explain that hundreds of thousands of people with the typically Slavic haplogroup R1a (the predominant haplogroup among Eastern Slavs) suddenly qualify as "descendants of ancient Israelites"?

The science is clear: all of humanity is a complex tapestry of countless migrations and mixtures. Trying to isolate a "pure Jewish DNA" is nothing more than a modern rehash of the 19th-century racial theories that the scientific community has long since rejected.

Your genetic arguments are shattered by a simple historical fact: over 2,000 years of diaspora, no "genetic purity" could possibly have been maintained. All peoples have intermixed extensively throughout history, and Jews are no exception to this rule—they are the proof of it.

Wow, impressive, it appears that you have all your ducks lined up in a neat row. Darwin thought he did too. Professors so hung up on their intellect, education, lean on their own understanding and miss the mark of spiritual discernment.
All your thesis is grounded in Antisemitism. This blind hatred is one of Satan's trap. Deception and lies is another. Pride blinds people too.
So how do these kinds of people resolve conflicting doctrines, obstacles in the way that go against their beliefs? They work hard to dismantle them, refute them, symbolize scriptures, deny that it is prophecy yet to he fulfilled and simply state, It happened already.
Check yourself, where your heart?
For instance, not to change the topic but the answer to this question would be very revealing.
Are you currently pro- Palestinian, despise Netanyahu, think he should be tried for crimes against humanity ... totally against Israel and their right to exist? Do you find yourself often speaking out against the Jews, (whom you don't think are really Jews)?
What an insult btw, to tell a group of some 15 million people that they do not know who they are or where they came from. How absurd. That's Satan at work.
Let me tell you something: If you curse them YOU WILL BE CURSED. If you bless them, you we be blessed - (Gen. 12:3). BEWARE! That mission and flag that you're waving is destructive and will end badly- for YOU!

 

[Chrysostomos]

@Ronald David Bruno ,
Your response is a masterclass in deflection—resorting to accusations of antisemitism, threats of curses, and vague warnings about Satan's traps, deception, lies, and pride. It's all bluster, no substance. You wave away facts with biblical platitudes and personal attacks.

Your "15 million Jews in Israel"? Where did you pull that from? Israel's non-Arab population—"Jews" and "others"—is just over 7.7 million as of September 2025. Of those, 2 million are Soviet repatriants who know exactly where they came from: Ukraine, Russia, and other ex-USSR states. Zionist propaganda loves to paint Palestinians as a "mixed bag" of Arab migrants, but DNA tells the real story. Palestinians have 81–87% ancient Levantine ancestry—more than anyone else in the region, including those 2 million repatriants whose DNA is heavily Slavic. That's not "spiritual discernment"—that's science exposing the myth.

As for my stance on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? I trust the experts: the UN, ICC, ICJ, and Amnesty International.

Guterres called it in October 2023: "Gaza has become a graveyard for children," with over 7,000 kids dead under the bombs—and he repeated it through 2024–2025, later adding it's the largest graveyard for children in modern history.

The ICC issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant on November 21, 2024—war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The ICJ ruled in 2024 that genocide in Gaza is plausible (South Africa case)—still ongoing.

Amnesty International straight-up called it genocide in December 2024, doubling down in July 2025.
And the UN report in September 2025 - genocide.

That's not "blind hatred"—that's international law staring you in the face.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

@Ronald David Bruno ,
Your response is a masterclass in deflection—resorting to accusations of antisemitism, threats of curses, and vague warnings about Satan's traps, deception, lies, and pride. It's all bluster, no substance. You wave away facts with biblical platitudes and personal attacks.

Your "15 million Jews in Israel"? Where did you pull that from? Israel's non-Arab population—"Jews" and "others"—is just over 7.7 million as of September 2025. Of those, 2 million are Soviet repatriants who know exactly where they came from: Ukraine, Russia, and other ex-USSR states. Zionist propaganda loves to paint Palestinians as a "mixed bag" of Arab migrants, but DNA tells the real story. Palestinians have 81–87% ancient Levantine ancestry—more than anyone else in the region, including those 2 million repatriants whose DNA is heavily Slavic. That's not "spiritual discernment"—that's science exposing the myth.

As for my stance on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict? I trust the experts: the UN, ICC, ICJ, and Amnesty International.

Guterres called it in October 2023: "Gaza has become a graveyard for children," with over 7,000 kids dead under the bombs—and he repeated it through 2024–2025, later adding it's the largest graveyard for children in modern history.

The ICC issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant on November 21, 2024—war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The ICJ ruled in 2024 that genocide in Gaza is plausible (South Africa case)—still ongoing.

Amnesty International straight-up called it genocide in December 2024, doubling down in July 2025.
And the UN report in September 2025 - genocide.

That's not "blind hatred"—that's international law staring you in the face.

The 15 million is a worldwide population. I guess you missed the part where I said, "It's not a census. Israel has 10 million people, 75% are Jews", in post #75. But you miss a lot, ignor, and distort scripture.

What do you do with Romans 11? It's future. All of Israel ( distinct from Gentiles as Paul claimed, will be saved. Now other passages below suggest 1/3 is the actual remnant of the Jews that is true Israel. So we are looking at some 5 million worldwide who will come to Christ during the Great Tribulation. He'll put them through fire and refine them.

As for the rest of your post, it confirms my conviction, you are Antisemitic/Pro- Palestinian supported by your own paragraphs 2-7.
Casualties of war are unfortunate, many die of all ages. The Hamas use the Palestinians as human shields. They camp in hospitals, schools ... they are cowards, evil. But guess what, all the Palestinians initially supported their cause and voted for the Hamas to govern them. They could have found a way to leave.
What will you say against the Lord when Jesus comes and kills over half the planet??? THE WORLD will certainly call that a genocide and they will gather to war against Him! Insanity.
The Lord will return and destroy all nations who come against Israel. I suppose you ignore those prophecies too or distort them: ( Zech. 12:3,9; 14:2-4.) >>Zech14:12 describes the effects of a neutron bomb - flesh being incinerated as they stand on their feet!

A Remnant Jewish population will be saved, true Israel.
And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
9 I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’ ” Zech. 13:8-9

 

[Chrysostomos]

@Ronald David Bruno
You’re doubling down on deflections, accusing me of antisemitism and “missing” your points, while dragging this into another Bible verse rabbit hole. You’re stuck in a loop, preaching Dispensationalist prophecies that don’t answer the question.
Let’s be clear: you’re dodging the core issue. I’ve addressed your arguments—repeatedly—and you’re just recycling the same tired claims without evidence. Your interpretation of biblical prophecies cannot, in any way, be considered substantial or serious evidence that modern Israelis are truly descendants of the 10 lost tribes.

You’ve provided zero proof that modern Israelis are descendants of the 10 lost tribes of the northern kingdom. No DNA, no archaeological records, no historical documents—nothing. Your entire case hinges on "name overlap": a modern state called “Israel” and people called “Jews” must be the same as the biblical Israel and Jews. That’s as flimsy as saying modern Egyptians are Pharaoh’s descendants because they share a name. They’re not.

As for your “pro-Palestinian” jab?
I’m citing facts from the UN, ICC, ICJ, and Amnesty International.

Your only arguments are baseless accusations of antisemitism, being pro-Palestinian, or supporting Hamas. But these empty claims are not evidence of a hereditary connection between modern Israelis and the 10 lost tribes.