Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

[Chrysostomos]

?

You gave a link to at DuckDuckGo—what am I supposed to do with that?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

He is calling Israeli Jews "Nazis". He should be shunned and removed from our group of Christians who follow Jesus. He is NOT one of us.

Hi, NotTheRock, let me ask you a question, don't you know GOD knows.

 

[Chrysostomos]

He is calling Israeli Jews "Nazis". He should be shunned and removed from our group of Christians who follow Jesus. He is NOT one of us.

Wait, is that you by any chance, singing the song from the left side, closer to the wall?

“I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah.
Even if he tarries, I will wait for him every day.”

The song is based on the Hebrew text from Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Faith—a declaration of belief and certainty that the Messiah will definitely come, even if he’s delayed.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Wait, is that you by any chance, singing the song from the left side, closer to the wall?

“I believe with perfect faith in the coming of the Messiah.
Even if he tarries, I will wait for him every day.”

The song is based on the Hebrew text from Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Faith—a declaration of belief and certainty that the Messiah will definitely come, even if he’s delayed.

For GOD So Loves The World, Whosoever Believes In Our Great Shepherd and keeps His Word, Should Not Perish But Have Everlasting Life.

 

[Chrysostomos]

For GOD So Loves The World, Whosoever Believes In Our Great Shepherd and keeps His Should Not Perish But Have Everlasting Life.

What is this mangled translation?

That’s John 3:16 butchered into oblivion.

You swapped "gave his only begotten Son" for "Our Great Shepherd" (which is Jesus, sure — but not in the verse), and then "keeps His" what? Commandments? That’s not even in the text.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

Sure they are.
The prophecies in Rev.7&14 testify to this; that during the end times (which we are in, the last generation), God will gather many of those Jews who were scattered throughout the world back home. GOD preserved these tribal individuals ( who btw knew who they were). These people did not all turn away from.God and their roots; many continued practicing no matter where they were, knowing who they married and who their parents were).
Prophecies below state that God will gather His people from all corners. He pairs them together in marriage, marriages made in heaven and sustains their lines (unbeknownst even to them and the world.)
You do not think God is able to do this, especially when He says He will???

• Ezekiel 11:17: "Therefore say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, “I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries among which you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”'"
• Ezekiel 36:24: "For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land."
• Jeremiah 30:3: "For behold, days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel and Judah, says the LORD, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.”"
• Isaiah 11:12: "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
• Jeremiah 32:37: "Behold, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the farthest parts of the earth, including the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor. They will return as a great assembly!"

Just prior to God's judgment in the Great Tribulation:
"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000"
Rev. 7 3-8

So unless you are an Amillennialist, which would explain your doubts, you must take these verses literally. Even in Romans 11, God will save a remnant of Israel, when the Gentiles have reached their fulness (and all His sheep are accounted for).

But sure, of course some of them inter-married, assimilated into other nations, cultures and even turned away from their God. Scriptures says 1/3 will be saved and 2/3 not. So it is with Christianity, 1/3 of the world's population is currently Christian.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Sure they are.
The prophecies in Rev.7&14 testify to this; that during the end times (which we are in, the last generation), God will gather many of those Jews who were scattered throughout the world back home. GOD preserved these tribal individuals ( who btw knew who they were). These people did not all turn away from.God and their roots; many continued practicing no matter where they were, knowing who they married and who their parents were).
Prophecies below state that God will gather His people from all corners. He pairs them together in marriage, marriages made in heaven and sustains their lines (unbeknownst even to them and the world.)
You do not think God is able to do this, especially when He says He will???

• Ezekiel 11:17: "Therefore say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, “I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries among which you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”'"
• Ezekiel 36:24: "For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land."
• Jeremiah 30:3: "For behold, days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel and Judah, says the LORD, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.”"
• Isaiah 11:12: "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
• Jeremiah 32:37: "Behold, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the farthest parts of the earth, including the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor. They will return as a great assembly!"

Just prior to God's judgment in the Great Tribulation:
"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000"
Rev. 7 3-8

So unless you are an Amillennialist, which would explain your doubts, you must take these verses literally. Even in Romans 11, God will save a remnant of Israel, when the Gentiles have reached their fulness (and all His sheep are accounted for).

But sure, of course some of them inter-married, assimilated into other nations, cultures and even turned away from their God. Scriptures says 1/3 will be saved and 2/3 not. So it is with Christianity, 1/3 of the world's population is currently Christian.

Hello Brother Ronald, Great post, Thank you for sharing.

Love, Walter

 

[ScottA]

You LOVE to argue and you're disingenuous in order to win debates. Your pride, ego, and vanity precede you as humility is not in your nature. You really need to work on yourself.

Haha...God speaks through me, you deny it even when quoted, and then you point the finger at little old me. Terrific!

 

[shepherdsword]

2 Chronicles 30? That’s King Hezekiah, ~715 BCE—right before the Assyrians wiped out the North in 722 BCE. He invites “remnants” from Ephraim, Manasseh, Zebulun… and most laugh and mock the messengers. A handful show up. These weren’t organized tribes—just stragglers who fled south and melted into Judah.
Then the Assyrians deported everyone anyway—those “remnants” dissolved. By the 1st century? Gone as distinct groups. No Josephus, no archaeology—nothing.

I'm glad yopua dmin

James 1:1? “Twelve tribes scattered” is poetry for Diaspora Jews—all from Judah, Benjamin, Levites. In the 1st century, “Israel” = Judeans (Jews). No northern tribal ID anywhere.

Now DNA?
You’re bragging about a 45–60% match with ancient samples? That’s basically 50/50—a coin flip.

You’ve got 4 grandparents. Double that: 8 great-grandparents. It keeps doubling every generation. In 300 years? Over 1,000 ancestors. In 2,700 years? Billions on paper.

But here’s the kicker: there weren’t billions of people back then. Far from it. So guess what? We’re all related—multiple times over.

That “Levantine” DNA you’re waving around? Could just as easily show up in a Russian, Pole, Ukrainian, or Belarusian—guys who call themselves “pure” Russians, Poles, Ukrainians…

There are no pure bloodlines left. Just different mixes.
So yeah—50% match doesn’t make you “ancient Israel.”
It makes you part of the same giant family tree as everyone else.

2 Chronicles 30? That’s King Hezekiah, ~715 BCE—right before the Assyrians wiped out the North in 722 BCE. He invites “remnants” from Ephraim, Manasseh, Zebulun… and most laugh and mock the messengers. A handful show up. These weren’t organized tribes—just stragglers who fled south and melted into Judah.
Then the Assyrians deported everyone anyway—those “remnants” dissolved. By the 1st century? Gone as distinct groups. No Josephus, no archaeology—nothing.

The remnant of the northern was still present in the land after the Assyrian deportation. Check the timeline.

James 1:1? “Twelve tribes scattered” is poetry for Diaspora Jews—all from Judah, Benjamin, Levites. In the 1st century, “Israel” = Judeans (Jews). No northern tribal ID anywhere.

LOL...this is just sheer willful ignorance. 12 tribes means 12 tribes. Stop trying to spin it with some metaphoric nonsense

Now DNA?
You’re bragging about a 45–60% match with ancient samples? That’s basically 50/50—a coin flip.

You’ve got 4 grandparents. Double that: 8 great-grandparents. It keeps doubling every generation. In 300 years? Over 1,000 ancestors. In 2,700 years? Billions on paper.

But here’s the kicker: there weren’t billions of people back then. Far from it. So guess what? We’re all related—multiple times over.

That “Levantine” DNA you’re waving around? Could just as easily show up in a Russian, Pole, Ukrainian, or Belarusian—guys who call themselves “pure” Russians, Poles, Ukrainians…

There are no pure bloodlines left. Just different mixes.
So yeah—50% match doesn’t make you “ancient Israel.”
It makes you part of the same giant family tree as everyone else.

Stop the patronizing gaslighting. If Ashkenazis were the spawn of Khazar royals, their DNA would show it. But those Y chromosomes were as Levantine as a levant sandwich. The same genetic "signature" popped up on every Levite sampled (as well as a significant number of non-Levite Ashkenazis), strongly implying descent from a single common ancestor who lived in the Fertile Crescent between 1,500 and 2,500 years ago. That signature is absent in the Y chromosomes of modern European non-Jewish men, and in male inhabitants of what was once Khazaria.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Sure they are.
The prophecies in Rev.7&14 testify to this; that during the end times (which we are in, the last generation), God will gather many of those Jews who were scattered throughout the world back home. GOD preserved these tribal individuals ( who btw knew who they were). These people did not all turn away from.God and their roots; many continued practicing no matter where they were, knowing who they married and who their parents were).
Prophecies below state that God will gather His people from all corners. He pairs them together in marriage, marriages made in heaven and sustains their lines (unbeknownst even to them and the world.)
You do not think God is able to do this, especially when He says He will???

• Ezekiel 11:17: "Therefore say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, “I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries among which you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”'"
• Ezekiel 36:24: "For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land."
• Jeremiah 30:3: "For behold, days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will restore the fortunes of my people Israel and Judah, says the LORD, and I will bring them back to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall take possession of it.”"
• Isaiah 11:12: "He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
• Jeremiah 32:37: "Behold, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the farthest parts of the earth, including the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor. They will return as a great assembly!"

You’re dropping these verses like they’re some smoking gun for 1948. Let’s get real.
Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Isaiah 11:12?
All written during or right before the Babylonian exile (586 BCE). All about God gathering Judah from Babylon—not the Assyrian-scattered North, and not 2,700 years later.
They already happened:

538 BCE: Cyrus the Great issues his decree (Ezra 1:1–4). Jews return from Babylon.
516 BCE: Second Temple rebuilt (Ezra 6:15).
Ezra and Nehemiah: Literal lists of returnees—all from Judah, Benjamin, Levites. Zero mention of Reuben, Gad, or Naphtali.

Historical fact: Only ~10–20% returned. The rest stayed in Babylon (like Esther). No mass northern tribe reunion.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Just prior to God's judgment in the Great Tribulation:
"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000"
Rev. 7 3-8

So unless you are an Amillennialist, which would explain your doubts, you must take these verses literally. Even in Romans 11, God will save a remnant of Israel, when the Gentiles have reached their fulness (and all His sheep are accounted for).

But sure, of course some of them inter-married, assimilated into other nations, cultures and even turned away from their God. Scriptures says 1/3 will be saved and 2/3 not. So it is with Christianity, 1/3 of the world's population is currently Christian.

You’re waving Rev 7:3–8 around like it’s a modern Israeli census. It’s not.

That list of 144,000 sealed from every tribe has zero connection to today’s Israel. It’s not a literal headcount of 1st-century Judeans—let alone 21st-century ones.

The idea of a literal thousand-year kingdom (chiliasm) based on Revelation 20:1–6 did exist in early Christianity. Guys like Justin Martyr and Irenaeus in the 2nd century believed Christ would return and rule on earth for exactly 1,000 years.

But from the 3rd century onward, the Church rejected it. Origen and Augustine said the “thousand years” is spiritual—Christ ruling through the Church right now, not some future physical kingdom.

The Council of Ephesus in 431 AD officially condemned literal chiliasm as heresy. Ever since, both Catholic and Orthodox Churches have rejected it.

Then comes John Nelson Darby in the 1800s. He revived this condemned idea, baked it into his dispensationalism, and added his own inventions—the rapture and the sharp split between Israel and the Church. None of that is in Scripture.

So no, I’m not an Amillennialist.

I just don’t buy 19th-century fan fiction dressed up as prophecy.

Rev 7 isn’t genealogy.

It’s symbolic.

No tribes. No records. No proof.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You’re dropping these verses like they’re some smoking gun for 1948. Let’s get real.
Ezekiel 11:17, 36:24; Jeremiah 30:3, 32:37; Isaiah 11:12?
All written during or right before the Babylonian exile (586 BCE). All about God gathering Judah from Babylon—not the Assyrian-scattered North, and not 2,700 years later.
They already happened:

538 BCE: Cyrus the Great issues his decree (Ezra 1:1–4). Jews return from Babylon.
516 BCE: Second Temple rebuilt (Ezra 6:15).
Ezra and Nehemiah: Literal lists of returnees—all from Judah, Benjamin, Levites. Zero mention of Reuben, Gad, or Naphtali.

Historical fact: Only ~10–20% returned. The rest stayed in Babylon (like Esther). No mass northern tribe reunion.

Ah, another Amillennial/Preterist. That's okay, we don't have to go back forth. You can continue believing those passages I mentioned and most of Revelation happenned already and these people in Israel are just imposters living in Israel pretending to be Jews.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Stop the patronizing gaslighting. If Ashkenazis were the spawn of Khazar royals, their DNA would show it. But those Y chromosomes were as Levantine as a levant sandwich. The same genetic "signature" popped up on every Levite sampled (as well as a significant number of non-Levite Ashkenazis), strongly implying descent from a single common ancestor who lived in the Fertile Crescent between 1,500 and 2,500 years ago. That signature is absent in the Y chromosomes of modern European non-Jewish men, and in male inhabitants of what was once Khazaria.

Your argument is based on a fundamental statistical error known as an "ecological fallacy." You are taking generalized data about a population and mistakenly applying it to every single individual, which is a classic logical error.

Yes, genetic studies show that some portion of Ashkenazim possess Middle Eastern haplogroups. However, you are overlooking several key points:

First, these very same "Levantine" haplogroups are found in significant measure among Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and other peoples of the region. What, are they all "Jews" according to your logic? A more rational explanation is that these genetic markers simply reflect the shared ancestral population of the Levant, not some unique "Jewish bloodline."

Second, your attempt to attribute these genetic features exclusively to Jews ignores basic principles of population genetics. If we look at Palestinians, for instance, we find they often have an equally strong, if not stronger, genetic connection to the ancient Levant than many Ashkenazi Jews.

Third, your theory completely falls apart when we examine the case of the 2 million repatriates from the former USSR. If "Jewish DNA" were truly so unique and preserved over millennia, how do you explain that hundreds of thousands of people with the typically Slavic haplogroup R1a (the predominant haplogroup among Eastern Slavs) suddenly qualify as "descendants of ancient Israelites"?

The science is clear: all of humanity is a complex tapestry of countless migrations and mixtures. Trying to isolate a "pure Jewish DNA" is nothing more than a modern rehash of the 19th-century racial theories that the scientific community has long since rejected.

Your genetic arguments are shattered by a simple historical fact: over 2,000 years of diaspora, no "genetic purity" could possibly have been maintained. All peoples have intermixed extensively throughout history, and Jews are no exception to this rule—they are the proof of it.

 

[NotTheRock]

God speaks through me...

Oh wow.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You’re waving Rev 7:3–8 around like it’s a modern Israeli census. It’s not

It's not a census. Israel has 10 million people, 75% are Jews. That scripture literally states that God will choose 144k male virgins from either the entire Jewish population on the planet, or strictly from those He has already drawn to Israel.

The idea of a literal thousand-year kingdom (chiliasm) based on Revelation 20:1–6 did exist in early Christianity.

My beliefs aren't based on what others believed or claimed in any time period. I discern scripture today. My beliefs are based on scripture and the Holy Spirit's guidance to discern scripture.
Were you baptized by the Holy Spirit? Have you and do you regularly communicate with the Spirit, feel His presense? It's a fair question. I just don't see how you can misinterpret scripture to mean something different than it plainly says.

So no, I’m not an Amillennialist.

You just admitted above not to believe in a literal 1000 year Kingdom where Jesus will come down and rule as king. That's what we call an Amillennialist. You say Rev. 20:1-4 refers to some other time period and the 144k means something else and bla, bla, bla, most events in Revelation happened.

 

[ScottA]

Oh wow.

You've read the Bible, and that surprises you?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Classic victim card.

I’m pretty sure the Palestinians in Gaza right now would laugh in your face if you told them the people calling themselves “Jews” are the most oppressed on Earth.

Guterres said it in October 2023: “Gaza has become a graveyard for children.” Over 7,000 kids dead under the bombs, and he kept repeating it in 2024–2025.

ICC issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant in November 2024 — war crimes, crimes against humanity. Israel’s objections got thrown out.

ICJ ruled in 2024 that genocide in Gaza is plausible. Case still going.
Amnesty International called it genocide in December 2024 and doubled down in July 2025.

UN report in September 2025? Straight-up genocide.

But fine — let’s set all that aside.

Your whole logic seems to be:
“People hate Jews ---> therefore Jews exist ---> therefore they’re the real ancient Israelites.”
Did I get that right?

I’m not arguing there’s no group calling themselves “Jews” today. It’s obvious—just look at Israel.
I even told you about my friends who “discovered” they were Jewish after the USSR collapsed—something they had no clue about before.

I’m also not denying that some people hate those who call themselves “Jews.”

But how does any of that prove that modern Israelis are actual descendants of the lost 10 northern tribes from the Kingdom of Israel?

Hamas wanted War with Israel in fact and was helped by Socialist Joe Biden's own Mob to bring it all on against Israel.
Not to mention that the Socialist in Israel let Israel be attacked, for Socialist their criminal ends !

The PM of Israel has did noting wrong ! He knows what Israel us truly up against ! and the rest or the Socialist West are so cunning dogs that are another Satanic Force !

Everyone with a brain knows that all Islamic People want to kill every Jew in the world ! Just add Socialism into that and you have their backing to War ! Same deal with Ukraine, it's all Socialist inspired and created War, backed by Joe Biden to get it kicked off !

If Joe Biden never got to be the President of the USA the War against Israel and the War in Ukraine would never of got off the ground in fact !

Not to mention Zelensky's love of his Nazis ! who are in fact Socialist ! Not that the MS Media will inform the world who or why the love of Nazis is all about in Ukraine !
By the way thanks for supporting Nazis in Ukraine, all of you stupid pathetic morons in the West !
So It's a non issue ! the Nazis in Ukraine ? Seriously ? Nazis are not an issue at all for the West ! for they are totaly guilty of harboring and abetting Nazis in fact !
Oh that's right the West is dominaterd by Socialist leadership that are in power ! so no wonder the love of Nazis ! I understand why they are clearly such good mates ! and the cover up being nothing for you to see here ! It's like as if the Nazis do not exist in Ukraine ! with clearly no mention of them ! and look at all of the mounumental Jerks who are asleep at the wheel in what is truly the real issues regarding Ukraine and Israel in fact !

The Socialist, Nazis and Communist only play a Tune of deceptions from day one ! and all of the jerks who support Hamas are an abomination ! for such people once they have killed every Jew are going to be comming for you all next ! for you socialist etc have only proped them Terrorist up ! So now they will only believe they are worthy of us in the West as well nowadays ? the tide to them has turned ! because of such great support of the idiot Socialist Satanic West ! who back all such Terrorist up in fact !

 

[shepherdsword]

Your argument is based on a fundamental statistical error known as an "ecological fallacy." You are taking generalized data about a population and mistakenly applying it to every single individual, which is a classic logical error.

Yes, genetic studies show that some portion of Ashkenazim possess Middle Eastern haplogroups. However, you are overlooking several key points:

First, these very same "Levantine" haplogroups are found in significant measure among Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and other peoples of the region. What, are they all "Jews" according to your logic? A more rational explanation is that these genetic markers simply reflect the shared ancestral population of the Levant, not some unique "Jewish bloodline."

Second, your attempt to attribute these genetic features exclusively to Jews ignores basic principles of population genetics. If we look at Palestinians, for instance, we find they often have an equally strong, if not stronger, genetic connection to the ancient Levant than many Ashkenazi Jews.

Third, your theory completely falls apart when we examine the case of the 2 million repatriates from the former USSR. If "Jewish DNA" were truly so unique and preserved over millennia, how do you explain that hundreds of thousands of people with the typically Slavic haplogroup R1a (the predominant haplogroup among Eastern Slavs) suddenly qualify as "descendants of ancient Israelites"?

The science is clear: all of humanity is a complex tapestry of countless migrations and mixtures. Trying to isolate a "pure Jewish DNA" is nothing more than a modern rehash of the 19th-century racial theories that the scientific community has long since rejected.

Your genetic arguments are shattered by a simple historical fact: over 2,000 years of diaspora, no "genetic purity" could possibly have been maintained. All peoples have intermixed extensively throughout history, and Jews are no exception to this rule—they are the proof of it.

More pretentious gaslighting from a hater who can't admit he's wrong. You said yourself that we are all related. It shouldn't be surprising these very same "Levantine" haplogroups are found in significant measure among Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and other peoples of the region. Don't you know the scriptures?

Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

It wasn't only the descendants of Jacob who were delivered from Egypt:

Ex 12:37-38 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

The study was never meant to prove a pure unadulterated genetic history. It was to prove that Ashkenazis Jews were not descendants of Khazar royals. Which it did. Stop with the strawman misdirection.

 

[Chrysostomos]

More pretentious gaslighting from a hater who can't admit he's wrong. You said yourself that we are all related. It shouldn't be surprising these very same "Levantine" haplogroups are found in significant measure among Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and other peoples of the region. Don't you know the scriptures?

Eze 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

It wasn't only the descendants of Jacob who were delivered from Egypt:

Ex 12:37-38 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

The study was never meant to prove a pure unadulterated genetic history. It was to prove that Ashkenazis Jews were not descendants of Khazar royals. Which it did. Stop with the strawman misdirection.

More pretentious gaslighting from a hater who can't admit he's wrong. Let's stick to the point you keep avoiding.

The Y-chromosome data you're so proud of speaks to the origin of one of your thousands of ancestors. It proves a link to the Levant for that single lineage, but it does not exclude the massive mixing with Europeans that autosomal DNA clearly shows. You are answering a question I never asked. Your entire DNA argument is useless for answering the specific question I posed.

Your theory completely collapses when applied to the 2 million repatriates from the former USSR. If "Jewish DNA" were so unique and preserved, how do you explain that hundreds of thousands of these people carry the typically Slavic haplogroup R1a (the majority haplogroup among Eastern Slavs)? By your own logic, your DNA evidence proves that these people have no Levantine connection via their direct paternal line.

Regarding my point that we are all related: So, you agree? Then you must accept the logical conclusion: either we are all Jews (and Palestinians would likely have the highest percentage of that ancient Levantine ancestry), or you must admit that there are no "pure" nationalities left. We are all thoroughly mixed.

It seems you fundamentally misunderstand the core of this discussion. You are using a narrow genetic finding to make a sweeping claim it cannot support, while ignoring the real-world evidence that completely undermines it.

 

[shepherdsword]

More pretentious gaslighting from a hater who can't admit he's wrong. Let's stick to the point you keep avoiding.

The Y-chromosome data you're so proud of speaks to the origin of one of your thousands of ancestors. It proves a link to the Levant for that single lineage, but it does not exclude the massive mixing with Europeans that autosomal DNA clearly shows. You are answering a question I never asked. Your entire DNA argument is useless for answering the specific question I posed.

Your theory completely collapses when applied to the 2 million repatriates from the former USSR. If "Jewish DNA" were so unique and preserved, how do you explain that hundreds of thousands of these people carry the typically Slavic haplogroup R1a (the majority haplogroup among Eastern Slavs)? By your own logic, your DNA evidence proves that these people have no Levantine connection via their direct paternal line.

Regarding my point that we are all related: So, you agree? Then you must accept the logical conclusion: either we are all Jews (and Palestinians would likely have the highest percentage of that ancient Levantine ancestry), or you must admit that there are no "pure" nationalities left. We are all thoroughly mixed.

It seems you fundamentally misunderstand the core of this discussion. You are using a narrow genetic finding to make a sweeping claim it cannot support, while ignoring the real-world evidence that completely undermines it.

Your question: "

Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?​

My answer : Yes

• Many genetic studies find that Jewish populations (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi) cluster genetically with one another, and share measurable ancestry with populations from the Middle East (Levant) rather than being entirely European or from unrelated origins. For example:
  • A study of 678 autosomal microsatellite markers found Jewish groups clustering together and lying intermediate between Middle Eastern and European non-Jewish populations. PMC+2PubMed+2
  • Research on Y-chromosome lineages in Ashkenazi Jews found a “Levantine” signature for a group of Levites (traditional priestly lineages) suggesting descent from a common male ancestor in the Fertile Crescent ~1,500-2,500 years ago. Stanford Medicine+2Digital Commons WSU+2
  • Genetic work has found for Ashkenazi Jews a substantial Middle Eastern component, even though there is also admixture with European populations. systemsbiology.columbia.edu+1
• These findings lend support to the idea that at least part of the ancestry of Jewish populations (and by extension, the modern Israeli Jewish population) is derived from peoples of the ancient Levant. This is consistent with having roots among ancient Israelite / Judean populations.

I agree that without ancient DNA from known members of the “lost tribes,” or from the northern Israelite kingdoms at the time of the exile, it’s impossible to definitively state continuity from those specific groups. Genetic continuity may exist broadly but not necessarily lineages tied to those exact tribes. However, we also have a continuation of creed and culture that gives strong evidence that they are actual descendants. This creed and culture was kept in spite of the persecution involved. There was no vested interest in lying about it.

Once again, your question:

Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?​

Yes, based on genetic possibility coupled with creed and culture adherence despite persecution. What proof do you have they are not?