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David in NJ

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Sorry but those are not blasphemy. they are biblical doctrines
Well, if they were they could easily be SEEN coming out of the mouth of OT Prophets, the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles.

But not one pre-trib declaration exists in the entirety of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

God's Promise of Pre-Wrath Deliverance for the Saints is easily SEEN in Genesis thru Revelation.

@Ronald Nolette, instead of falsely accusing, how about bring forth the scripture which says:

a.) "the Church will not see or be persecuted by the Antichrist"

b.) After the Church is pre-trib raptured, many more will come to Christ for His THIRD Coming"

c.) Saints/Blood Washed men/women can receive the Mark of the Beast = just disregard Revelation.
 

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Well, if they were they could easily be SEEN coming out of the mouth of OT Prophets, the LORD Jesus Christ and the Apostles.

But not one pre-trib declaration exists in the entirety of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

God's Promise of Pre-Wrath Deliverance for the Saints is easily SEEN in Genesis thru Revelation.

@Ronald Nolette, instead of falsely accusing, how about bring forth the scripture which says:

a.) "the Church will not see or be persecuted by the Antichrist"

b.) After the Church is pre-trib raptured, many more will come to Christ for His THIRD Coming"

c.) Saints/Blood Washed men/women can receive the Mark of the Beast = just disregard Revelation.
If it was th at easy, more woujld buy into your theoris.

Yes there is one verse that shows the church does not go through the 70th week of Daniel or the tribulation!

1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

When one studies the Scripture, there are only two things that God has wrath upon, sin, and the tribulation. The Lake of Fire is not ever called wrath, but judgment. So Paul is simply showing that Jesus will deliever us from the tribulation which is to come upon the earth.

So you accept Rosenthals theory of the pre-wrath rapture. So if it is so easily seen- show me from Genesis tro revelation.

as to a) I never claimed this, we may very well see the rise of the antichrist and even experience some persection, though IMNSHO I doubt the second.

as to b) There is ponly two comings of Jesus to earth. His Incarnation nearly 2000 years ago, and His physical return at the end of the tribulation. The rapture is not part of any coming of jesus.

as to c), yes it is very possible trib saints can take the mark. From the rapture to the physical return of Jesus is a different dispensation and Jesus urged enduring to eh end. The church has eternal security so we are not here to be pressured to take the mark. Just as OT saints are not part of the body of Christ, so trib saints, though saved are not part of the body of Christ. They have a different destiny in the millennial kingdom as REv. 20:4-6 show. Those martyred by the beast will be resurrected in teh first resurrection and live and reign with jesus for 1000 years.
 

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If it was th at easy, more woujld buy into your theoris.

Yes there is one verse that shows the church does not go through the 70th week of Daniel or the tribulation!

1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

When one studies the Scripture, there are only two things that God has wrath upon, sin, and the tribulation. The Lake of Fire is not ever called wrath, but judgment. So Paul is simply showing that Jesus will deliever us from the tribulation which is to come upon the earth.

So you accept Rosenthals theory of the pre-wrath rapture. So if it is so easily seen- show me from Genesis tro revelation.

as to a) I never claimed this, we may very well see the rise of the antichrist and even experience some persection, though IMNSHO I doubt the second.

as to b) There is ponly two comings of Jesus to earth. His Incarnation nearly 2000 years ago, and His physical return at the end of the tribulation. The rapture is not part of any coming of jesus.

as to c), yes it is very possible trib saints can take the mark. From the rapture to the physical return of Jesus is a different dispensation and Jesus urged enduring to eh end. The church has eternal security so we are not here to be pressured to take the mark. Just as OT saints are not part of the body of Christ, so trib saints, though saved are not part of the body of Christ. They have a different destiny in the millennial kingdom as REv. 20:4-6 show. Those martyred by the beast will be resurrected in teh first resurrection and live and reign with jesus for 1000 years.
PRAISE GOD @Ronald Nolette for 1 Thess 1:10 and 1 Thess 5:9 = PRE-WRATH Deliverance for the Saints

There does not exist a single promise of pre-trib deliverance

#1 PRE-WRATH = Genesis = Noah(8) are delivered from God's Wrath = the FLOOD

#2 - IT is IMPOSSIBLE for the Rapture to preceed the RESURRECTION which ONLY is at His 2nd Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18 1 Cor ch15

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first.
AFTER that we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
 
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I would like to direct all to my post #1, which consists of numerous videos and reports about the current status of the Mark of the Beast and the progression of it's construction.
(Again... in post#1, please refrain from making comments or replies to/in post #1).
However, you can copy/paste any of the video sites to reply/comment on after post #2 and forward. Or you can use it to start your own Post.

Thanks, Earburner
 
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I would like to direct all to my post #1, which consists of numerous videos and reports about the current status of the Mark of the Beast and the progression of it's construction.
(Again... in post#1, please refrain from making comments or replies to/in post #1).
However, you can copy/paste any of the video sites to reply/comment on after post #2 and forward. Or you can use it to start your own Post.

Thanks, Earburner

Real Christians aren't sitting around in fear concerning the mark of the beast or the anti-christ.

And you forgot to explain that taking the mark of the beast includes worshiping the beast which is something real Christians won't be doing.
 

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Real Christians aren't sitting around in fear concerning the mark of the beast or the anti-christ.

And you forgot to explain that taking the mark of the beast includes worshiping the beast which is something real Christians won't be doing.
"pre-trib, we won't be here" = signifies being afraid of Revelation

You are CORRECT in saying: "worshiping the beast which is something real Christians won't be doing."

Therefore, when the Mark becomes law, very soon, real Christians will "not love their lives unto death" - Rev 12:10-12

Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.
Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!
Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea!
For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
 

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"pre-trib, we won't be here" = signifies being afraid of Revelation

I never said the rapture would happen pre-trib.

According to 2 Thess it'll happen sometime after the anti-christ is revealed as the Lord has a long track record to rescuing his faithful.

Those who are not faithful or simply don't believe the whole counsel of God will be subject to the wrath of satan which is pretty ignorant as this is not God's Will. Enjoy!
 

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I never said the rapture would happen pre-trib.

According to 2 Thess it'll happen sometime after the anti-christ is revealed as the Lord has a long track record to rescuing his faithful.
You are 100% CORRECT

Those who are not faithful or simply don't believe the whole counsel of God will be subject to the wrath of satan which is pretty ignorant as this is not God's Will. Enjoy!
You are 100% ERROR and speak against CHRIST

JESUS addressed satan's wrath upon the Saints = Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

JESUS addressed satan's wrath upon the Saints = Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
 

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You are 100% ERROR and speak against CHRIST

That's the hallucination the devil put in your mind today... it'll be interesting to see what hallucination he straps on you tomorrow! clueless-doh.gif


JESUS addressed satan's wrath upon the Saints = Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

JESUS addressed satan's wrath upon the Saints = Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.

All these things have been happening long before the anti-christ comes along.

Try again homie half time! laughing15.gif
 

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That's the hallucination the devil put in your mind today... it'll be interesting to see what hallucination he straps on you tomorrow! View attachment 73108
So now you say JESUS hallucinated.........wow

All these things have been happening long before the anti-christ comes along.
JESUS said they will NOT stop from happening until His Second Coming

As a matter of FACT, JESUS Said the persecution of the Saints will INCREASE = worldwide

Throw COLD water on your face - you are hallucinating
 
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Real Christians aren't sitting around in fear concerning the mark of the beast or the anti-christ.

And you forgot to explain that taking the mark of the beast includes worshiping the beast which is something real Christians won't be doing.
First you will have to justify your useage of the term: "Real Christians".
Do you mean those who seek to be informed, or those who want to be entertained?

"No one is able to "worship" anything or anyone, unless they are willing to be compliant to the purpose of worship".- Earburner
 

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Won't happen until after the anti-christ is revealed to the world.
Still...., you are hanging out with those who are waiting in vain for a "no show" "boy wonder", being a "one man band"-"miracle man".
Sorry, such a singular person, that church-ianity calls "THE" Antichrist, is not to be found in the KJV Bible. None of you have figured out how it is that Judas Iscarriot is NOT the only "son of perdition". Nor do you understand how it is "that spirit of antichrist" is singular, making the "many" it infects to be plural.

Edit: the KJV words: "that man of sin", "the son of perdition", "the natural man" are all to be read and understood in the PLURAL.
All are the descriptions of unsaved people,
who are readily receptive to "that [singular] spirit of antichrist", which influences and infects MANY [plural] at will.
 
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Still...., you are hanging out with those who are waiting in vain for a "know show" "boy wonder", being a "one man band"-"miracle man".
Sorry, such a singular person, that church-ianity calls "THE" Antichrist, is not to be found in the KJV Bible. None of you have figured out how it is that Judas Iscarriot is NOT the only "son of perdition". Nor do you understand how it is "that spirit of antichrist" is singular, making the "many" it infects to be plural.
i agree with 90%

Just as the Body of Christ has many members, so does the spirit of antichrist.

Just as Judas was filled by satan, so also will the Antichrist be filled with satan

1 John 2:18 - Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one = spirit of antichrist

Daniel 7:25
After them another king, different from the earlier ones, will rise and subdue three kings.
He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.

The Antichrist will soon be revealed because all the people who will receive him and the technology are now in place.

The Lord Jesus Christ prophesied of a man whom the Jews will receive as their Messiah = John 5:43
I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
 

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i agree with 90%

Just as the Body of Christ has many members, so does the spirit of antichrist.

Just as Judas was filled by satan, so also will the Antichrist be filled with satan

1 John 2:18 - Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one = spirit of antichrist

Daniel 7:25
After them another king, different from the earlier ones, will rise and subdue three kings.
He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.

The Antichrist will soon be revealed because all the people who will receive him and the technology are now in place.

The Lord Jesus Christ prophesied of a man whom the Jews will receive as their Messiah = John 5:43
I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
Please see my edited post #293
 
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i agree with 90%

Just as the Body of Christ has many members, so does the spirit of antichrist.

Just as Judas was filled by satan, so also will the Antichrist be filled with satan

1 John 2:18 - Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world is under the power of the evil one = spirit of antichrist

Daniel 7:25
After them another king, different from the earlier ones, will rise and subdue three kings.
He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time.
When understanding Daniel 7, one must consider and understand that the three kings (symbolized as horns), that were before/earlier than "the other king", aka a "little horn", took place long before Jesus' first appearance in the flesh.

Those three kings that were subdued (made humble, brought low) were the two horns of the "Ram" and the one notable horn on the "He goat". It is those three horns that were "plucked up by the roots" (their ability to dominate the world came to a complete end).
The Ram- 2 kings of the combined empires of the Medes and Persians.
The He goat- 1 king Alex the Great, who died at an early age, having no heirs to assume his place.
And the little horn?? Well, he was no other than Antiochus lV Epiphanes of the Seleucid Empire, one of four latter kingdoms that had divided out of Alex the Great's Grecian Empire.

As for the ten horns on the fourth beast, (though some speculate), historically they are nowhere to be found, except in the latter time of its final stage of evolution, being that of the Composite Beast in Rev. 13:1-17.


The Antichrist will soon be revealed because all the people who will receive him and the technology are now in place.

The Lord Jesus Christ prophesied of a man whom the Jews will receive as their Messiah = John 5:43
I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
Though that scripture sounds prophetic and could be applied to church-ianity's huge hope in what THEY love to call "THE Antichrist", I personally believe that Jesus was only speaking in general terms, showing that Israel will only approve of those who THEY themselves approve of, to be THEIR messiah.
 
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When understanding Daniel 7, one must consider and understand that the three kings (symbolized as horns), that were before/earlier than "the other king", aka a "little horn", took place long before Jesus' first appearance in the flesh.

Those three kings that were subdued (made humble, brought low) were the two horns of the "Ram" and the one notable horn on the "He goat". It is those three horns that were "plucked up by the roots" (their ability to dominate the world came to a complete end).
The Ram- 2 kings of the combined empires of the Medes and Persians.
The He goat- 1 king Alex the Great, who died at an early age, having no heirs to assume his place.
And the little horn?? Well, he was no other than Antiochus lV Epiphanes of the Seleucid Empire, one of four latter kingdoms that had divided out of Alex the Great's Grecian Empire.

Though that scripture sounds prophetic and could be applied to church-ianity's huge hope in what THEY love to call "THE Antichrist", I personally believe that Jesus was only speaking in general terms, showing that Israel will only approve of those who THEY themselves approve of, to be THEIR messiah.
YES = AGREE with prophecy, as you pointed out, that has already came to pass.

DUAL FULFILLMENT
From what i have gathered in the overall picture of prophecy is that there is a repeating pattern that culminates as we approach His 2nd Coming.

Example of prophecy that repeated = Isaiah = "a virgin shall conceive..." (caption below off internet)
This is an example of a class of prophecies in the Old Testament which appear to have a dual fulfillment, that is to say they predict something to take place in the near future which symbolizes something greater that will take place in the distant future.

CONTINUING PROPHECY
In John chapter 3 is a continuing prophecy spoken by the Lord:
a.) "must be born-again to enter the kingdom of God"
b.) Spirit gives birth to spirit"
c.) "he who believes is not condemned"
d.) he who believes not is condemned already"

Acts is another "continuing prophecy" - Acts 2:16-21
this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out My Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Even on My menservants and maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.
I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness,
and the moon to blood,
before the coming of the great and glorious Day of the Lord.
And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

Continuing prophecy of evil
We know that the "whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one" - Matt 4:1-10 , 1 John 5:19 , Eph 6:12

The spirit of antichrist is at work even in "church-ianty" - the RCC being the 'poster-child' of that evil that appears as a lamb.

CUMMALITIVE Prophecy = Christ is our King and High Priest at the Right Hand of GOD = Acts 3:21

But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before,
whom Heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.

SHALOM
 

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So now you say JESUS hallucinated.........wow

No, you are the one hallucinating.

All the things Jesus described have been happening to Christians for over 2000 years

Nobody expects you LSD people to understand.



Throw COLD water on your face - you are hallucinating

Gaslighting may work on some butt it won't work on me acid boy! disagree3.gif

Hey, watch out for those pink elephants! laughing3.gif



First you will have to justify your useage of the term: "Real Christians".

You know what they say, If you have to ask...



Sorry, such a singular person, that church-ianity calls "THE" Antichrist, is not to be found in the KJV Bible.

Well then it's settled.

Not only are you deceived, you are ignorant of the scriptures! laughing.gif



Please see my edited post #293

No thank you.

I don't sit under false doctrine.
 
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No thank you.

I don't sit under false doctrine.
You didn't know that the words: "the natural man" is in the plural, as is "that man of sin", being equal to those who are "the son of perdition"?
How then do you believe that there is only one "THE" Antichrist, when scripture says there are many who deny that Jesus has come in the flesh?
 

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You didn't know that the words: "the natural man" is in the plural, as is "that man of sin", being equal to those who are "the son of perdition"?
How then do you believe that there is only one "THE" Antichrist, when scripture says there are many who deny that Jesus has come in the flesh?
Hello Brother

Here is a puzzle for you and @Big Boy Johnson

i read in the Bible today that there actually are people "tripping on LSD"

Figure out Today's Puzzle by finding the scripture.

1 FREE Clue = it is in the NT