How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[marks]

Jesus Christ even refers to his Father as “my God.” (John 20:17; Rev 3:12) whilst he was still on earth and even after his ascension to heaven. How does God have a God in heaven?

Because He became incarnate.

Jeremiah 32:26-27 KJV
26) Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
27) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

John 1:1-2 KJV
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 KJV
14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Philippians 2:5-8 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus, God the Son, took on flesh, and all that went with it.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

1st of all, anything that I believe about the devil has nothing to do with my salvation, 2nd why in the world should I trust you, who I have never known either?

You didn't answer the question - it's becoming a habit.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Because He became incarnate.

Jeremiah 32:26-27 KJV
26) Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
27) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

John 1:1-2 KJV
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 KJV
14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Philippians 2:5-8 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus, God the Son, took on flesh, and all that went with it.

Much love!

You are right that the Logos "became" but that is where your truth ends and the real truth begins...

 

[marks]

You are right that the Logos "became" but that is where your truth ends and the real truth begins...

I'm just quoting to you the Scriptures which say these things. I can't make you believe them. The statements are fairly simple. There isn't any ambiguity.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I'm just quoting to you the Scriptures which say these things. I can't make you believe them. The statements are fairly simple. There isn't any ambiguity.

Much love!

Don't lie Marks! You are quoting extrabiblical works and not Scripture. Remove "incarnation" and you would be telling the truth.

 

[marks]

Don't lie Marks! You are quoting extrabiblical works and not Scripture.

Quick with the false accusations. You must not have much confidence in your POV.

Jeremiah 32:26-27 KJV
26) Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
27) Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

John 1:1-2 KJV
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 KJV
14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Philippians 2:5-8 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus, God the Son, took on flesh, and all that went with it.

There is no ambiguity in these passages, their statements are very plain.

And contrary to your assertion, this is Scripture. Check it out.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

1st of all, anything that I believe about the devil has nothing to do with my salvation, 2nd why in the world should I trust you, who I have never known either?

You don't need to trust me RLT only confirm those truths for yourself. "prove all things" is Paul's guidance and you can trust him more than your early unknown church fathers!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Quick with the false accusations. You must not have much confidence in your POV.

You accuse yourself Marks because you have allowed yourself to be deceived and deceive others.

 

[RLT63]

You didn't answer the question - it's becoming a habit.

The habit is on your part, asking questions without ever saying anything.
To answer the question I don't trust anyone but Jesus for my salvation.

 

[RLT63]

You don't need to trust me RLT only confirm those truths for yourself. "prove all things" is Paul's guidance and you can trust him more than your early unknown church fathers!

I didn't say anything about Church fathers

 

[Hiddenthings]

I didn't say anything about Church fathers

You must be right then

 

[RLT63]

You must be right then

Now you are just trolling

 

[Hiddenthings]

Now you are just trolling

Whatever

 

[RLT63]

Whatever

And what did you learn @Hiddenthings ?

 

[marks]

You accuse yourself Marks because you have allowed yourself to be deceived and deceive others.

Your words reveal you, not me.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

And what did you learn @Hiddenthings ?

That fools despise knowledge - a lesson witnessed often in this forum.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Your words reveal you, not me.

Much love!

The reality of your faith in the incarnation and the hope you place in it will be fully revealed in the last days.

 

[Hiddenthings]

And what did you learn @Hiddenthings ?

Apart from the truth already mentioned, I realized you had no understanding of what Ezekiel 28 teaches. When someone attempted to explain its meaning, you became defensive and relied on unnamed ‘scholars’ you trust without explanation. I saw a lack of trust and a resistance to entering the Word of God and letting its light speak for itself. You seemed more comfortable resting in academic consensus than opening your mind to the wisdom God revealed in His lament over the king of Tyre, given to teach Israel about God’s impartiality toward neighboring nations who gained wealth through trade in Eden. You had difficulty grasping the symbolism of the Garden, the Cherub, and the Breastplate Stones, and how these elements relate to the King of Tyre. By setting aside the Word of God and disregarding its meaning, you opted to impose a mythological story of a fallen angel, which is not mentioned anywhere in the chapter. As Marks has done similarly you both would rather the traditions of men than the truth of God.

 

[RLT63]

Apart from the truth already mentioned, I realized you had no understanding of what Ezekiel 28 teaches. When someone attempted to explain its meaning, you became defensive and relied on unnamed ‘scholars’ you trust without explanation. I saw a lack of trust and a resistance to entering the Word of God and letting its light speak for itself. You seemed more comfortable resting in academic consensus than opening your mind to the wisdom God revealed in His lament over the king of Tyre, given to teach Israel about God’s impartiality toward neighboring nations who gained wealth through trade in Eden. You had difficulty grasping the symbolism of the Garden, the Cherub, and the Breastplate Stones, and how these elements relate to the King of Tyre. By setting aside the Word of God and disregarding its meaning, you opted to impose a mythological story of a fallen angel, which is not mentioned anywhere in the chapter. As Marks has done similarly you both would rather the traditions of men than the truth of God.

No, it's your opinion, not God's truth. He has never revealed to me that you are his spokesperson. Besides that you didn't explain anything you just wanted to play 20 questions

 

[RLT63]

That fools despise knowledge - a lesson witnessed often in this forum.

Speak for yourself