Christians who hate Israel

[David in NJ]

My question is what is taking place to fulfill that prophecy?

Israel knew of the Oct 7 attack and allowed it so that they could go into Gaza and level it.
This in turn has heated up the animosity and hatred towards Israel from the UN and many nations

Which leads the world to making a peace treaty, which is superficial and will be broken = Daniel

Israel will be surrounded and overwhelmed whereby the only thing they can do is cry out to the LORD = the same LORD whom they crucified

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

 

[HealthyShape]

Israel new of the Oct 7 attack and allowed it so that they could go into Gaza and level it.
This in turn has heated up the animosity and hatred towards Israel from the UN and many nations

Which leads the world to making a peace treaty, which is superficial and will be broken = Daniel

Israel will be surrounded and overwhelmed whereby the only thing they can do is cry out to the LORD = the same LORD whom they crucified

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

So, basically nothing from the prophecy is taking place. You just use your imagination that the current events will lead to that prophecy.

Correct?

 

[David in NJ]

So, basically nothing from the prophecy is taking place. You just use your imagination that the current events will lead to that prophecy.

Correct?

Nothing???

Prophesy of such worldwide scale does not just instantly materialize.

Prophesy is working/forming/actuating as GOD knows and is taking place in increments before our eyes.

 

[HealthyShape]

Nothing???

Prophesy of such worldwide scale does not just instantly materialize.

Prophesy is working/forming/actuating as GOD knows and is taking place in increments before our eyes.

Yes, nothing. You are just imagining the current events to lead to that prophecy, but there is nothing in that prophecy itself that you could show happening today.

Correct?

 

[HealthyShape]

Nothing???

Prophesy of such worldwide scale does not just instantly materialize.

Prophesy is working/forming/actuating as GOD knows and is taking place in increments before our eyes.

Also, I am a bit confused about your explanation of that prophecy. It seems to me you imagine Israel to commit such atrocities in Gaza/Palestine that the good nations will not be able to watch it anymore and all, including the USA and other current allies of Israel, will go to stop those atrocities.

And God, for some reason, will destroy those good nations and not the evil Israel? How would such prophecy make any theological or moral sense? Who is the "bad guy" in that prophecy?

 

[David in NJ]

Also, I am a bit confused about your explanation of that prophecy. It seems to me you imagine Israel to commit such atrocities in Gaza/Palestine that the good nations will not be able to watch it anymore and all, including the USA and other current allies of Israel, will go to stop those atrocities.

And God, for some reason, will destroy those good nations and not the evil Israel? How would such prophecy make any theological or moral sense?

"good nations" ??? = none exist

Israel are in a very hard position = between a Rock and a Hard Place

Israel has rejected her 'Rock of Salvation' therefore they are in a very Hard Place and it will get worse for them.

Israel is seeking peace and the LORD said they will not have peace until they say: "Blessed is HE who Comes , the Lord"

In that day the people will proclaim, “This is our God! We trusted in him, and he saved us!
This is the LORD, in whom we trusted. Let us rejoice in the salvation he brings!” - Isaiah 25:9

 

[HealthyShape]

"good nations" ??? = none exist

Israel are in a very hard position = between a Rock and a Hard Place

Israel has rejected her 'Rock of Salvation' therefore they are in a very Hard Place and it will get worse for them.

Israel is seeking peace and the LORD said they will not have peace until they say: "Blessed is HE who Comes , the Lord"

In that day the people will proclaim, “This is our God! We trusted in him, and he saved us! This is the LORD, in whom we trusted. Let us rejoice in the salvation he brings!” - Isaiah 25:9

Again, nothing related to current events. So, I think we can safely conclude that, the current events have nothing to do with Zech prophecies. Even your imagination cannot explain why would God destroy Christian and other nations that would just try to stop a genocide or something worse.

 

[David in NJ]

Again, nothing related to current events. So, I think we can safely conclude that, the current events have nothing to do with Zech prophecies. Even your imagination cannot explain why would God destroy Christian and other nations that would just try to stop a genocide or something worse.

Yeah, the UN and many nations are condemning Israel, including the LEFT and some on the Right here in the USA.

Israel will soon embrace her fals emessiah = nothing to do with prophesy though!!!

Yep, nothing to do with prophesy........................you have blinders on = take them off

 

[HealthyShape]

Yeah, the UN and many nations are condemning Israel, including the LEFT and some on the Right here in the USA.

Israel will soon embrace her fals emessiah = nothing to do with prophesy though!!!

Yep, nothing to do with prophesy........................you have blinders on = take them off

"Israel will soon embrace a false Messiah" is your imagination. So, again, you have nothing factual, currently. Nothing from the prophecy is happening, zero, nada.

 

[David in NJ]

"Israel will soon embrace a false Messiah" is your imagination. So, again, you have nothing factual, currently.

And also your interpretation of events is very weird and not making any moral or theological sense.

Well, you better get back in the Bible and keep reading and praying!

 

[HealthyShape]

Well, you better get back in the Bible and keep reading and praying!

This is no answer to anything. You came with a specific claim that is not based in the current reality and you were shown to be just imagining things. That is all.

 

[David in NJ]

This is no answer to anything. You came with a specific claim that is not based in the current reality and you were shown to be just imagining things. That is all.

You will find Heaven's Reality in the Holy Scriptures = place your trust in God's Word

 

[HealthyShape]

You will find Heaven's Reality in the Holy Scriptures = place your trust in God's Word

What does it have to do with the trust in your words or with examining your claims?

 

[David in NJ]

What does it have to do with the trust in your words or with examining your claims?

Trust in the Scripture which i posted and PRAY

 

[HealthyShape]

Trust in the Scripture which i posted and PRAY

But you claim they are happening today. This was proven not to be true, just your imagination and wishes.

 

[David in NJ]

But you claim they are happening today. This was proven not to be true, just your imagination and wishes.

It is happening Today

The Trump Declaration for Enduring Peace and Prosperity

We, the undersigned, welcome the truly historic commitment and implementation by all parties to the Trump Peace Agreement, ending more than two years of

www.whitehouse.gov

1 Thess ch5

Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation.

9For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. 11Therefore encourage and build one another up, just as you are already doing.

 

[HealthyShape]

It is happening Today

The Trump Declaration for Enduring Peace and Prosperity

We, the undersigned, welcome the truly historic commitment and implementation by all parties to the Trump Peace Agreement, ending more than two years of

www.whitehouse.gov

1 Thess ch5

Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation.

9For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with Him. 11Therefore encourage and build one another up, just as you are already doing.

You are just sticking together unrelated things as if it proved anything. Trump did not live in the times of the Thessalonian church.

 

[David in NJ]

You are just sticking together unrelated things as if it proved anything. Trump did not live in the times of the Thessalonian church.

Neither Trump nor ourselves needed to live during the Thess church .

However, the Body of Christ continues to Grow and the Truth in 1st & 2nd Thess continues for His Body for Today.

 

[HealthyShape]

Neither Trump nor ourselves needed to live during the Thess church .

However, the Body of Christ continues to Grow and the Truth in 1st & 2nd Thess continues for His Body for Today.

So, Paul was teaching the church in Thessaloniki about Trump? Or what are you even trying to say? Be clear, you are just presenting ambiguity and future predictions, but no real connections have been shown. Only loose associations, like "the word peace is in this verse and Trump said it too, therefore I will post these two things together".

Or: "Zechariah talks about Jerusalem and nations, the UN is now accusing Israel of war crimes, therefore Zechariah is about our times".

How can I even take such "eschatology" seriously?

 

[David in NJ]

So, Paul was teaching the church in Thessaloniki about Trump? Or what are you even trying to say? Be clear, you are just presenting ambiguity and future predictions, but no real connections have been shown. Only loose associations, like "the word peace is in this verse and Trump said it too, therefore I will post these two things together".

Or: "Zechariah talks about Jerusalem and nations, the UN is now accusing Israel of war crimes, therefore Zechariah is about our times".

How can I even take such "eschatology" seriously?

Dear @HealthyShape

Unless a person examines all of scripture - with the Anointing of the Holy Spirit, one will have difficulties in "Rightly dividing the Word of Truth" and will come to erroneous conclusions based on man's limited intellect.

The Spirit bears witness to our spirit thru the Written Word of Truth and HE will never compromise or speak against "It is Written"

The OT prophet Daniel contains the prophecy of the First Coming of Christ, the coming of the Antichrist and the Second Coming of Christ.

Please read thru Daniel today with prayer.


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