It is my belief that only the dying are saved, even then some are put in Hades rather than Kingdom of God.
At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?
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Few were ones then finding it.
| Inflected: | εὑρίσκοντες |
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Mt 7 NARROW is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it.@Jack
Few were ones then finding it.
Inflected: εὑρίσκοντες Root: εὑρίσκω Strong's: G2147 English: find Code: V-PAP-NPM Long: Verb - Present Active Participle - Nominative Plural Masculine
Your opinions do not overrule Jesus.
The life like Enoch. And being near Jerusalem, I would suspect few are righteous there. Your opinions are not even fact.
You make the Broad and Narrow way a high-stakes shell game.
Claiming that God is hiding salvation from those seeking it.
That's a horrible opinion.
In a previous topic I asked the question:
Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized?
Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized?
On another topic we were discussing baptisms. I think the actual subject of the topic was the evidence for the baptism with the Holy Spirit. But somehow we veered into questions about water baptism and salvation. At least one individual had strong feelings about the necessity of water baptism...www.christianityboard.com
Lack of response and seeming confusion caused by my topic question led me to attempt to clarify on this topic.
It seemed that readers assumed being part of the Body of Christ was synonymous with salvation.
As if I was asking if a person could be "saved" if they had not been baptized.
In the previous topic I was pointing to the pattern of the early church of new believers being baptized into the church.
Near the end of Acts chapter two we find this:
Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. - Acts 2:41 NIV
Note the connection between baptism and being added to the church. (the Body of Christ)
Acts 2:47 and 5:14 also use the phrase "added to their number". Is baptism assumed in these references?
I was raised Protestant evangelical. Baptism was encouraged, but not mandatory.
A person could even join the church as a member without being baptized. Which seemed a bit odd to me,
because the ones being baptized were said to be following the Lord's command to do so.
The emphasis on "believe and be baptized" (Mark 16:16) was definitely on the believe aspect.
Even church membership was not mandatory. Definitely a consumer attitude about church commitment.
I remember a Pastor at a church we had attended for 15 or 20 years encouraging us to become members.
I jokingly told him that we didn't want to rush into anything. - LOL We were as involved as any member was.
And we were grandfathered in, since this was the fourth or fifth Pastor for us at that church.
Discussion questions:
- At what point does a believer become part of the Body of Christ?
- Does it come automatically when one believes?
- What is the relationship between church membership and the Body of Christ?
- Can a believer that has left the church be a member of the Body of Christ?
- Can an uninvolved church attender be a member of the Body of Christ?
Question 1. At what point does a believer become part of the Body of Christ?
'But of Him (God) are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Co 1:30-31)
Hello @St.SteVen,
When a believer is born from above, through faith in the all sufficient sacrifice of God's Beloved Son on his behalf. He is placed 'in' Christ the risen Lord by God the Father, and is therefore 'in Christ'. As to membership of the church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head, please see the following:-
Members Of The Church Of His Body - Believer.com
Ephesians 5:30 For we are members of His Body, of His flesh, and of His bones. There is only one Church today, and that is The Church, which is The Body of Chri...
believer.com
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Why can't you stop playing word games?
Have you ever opened a Bible stevie?
Matthew 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Hillsage
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ROM 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands, no one seeks for God.
So many think that the Narrow gate is THEM getting THEMSELVES born again.....that is simply their error. They also say "I found Jesus!"
My signature line below is my testimony.
<><~~ I never did find Jesus! I WAS LOST and HE FOUND ME. He was and is, "THE GOOD SHEPHERD"~~~><>
Discussion questions from post #104
# 1, 2 At the new birth of your spirit.
# 3 "relationship" with "church"? It may be something or it may be nothing. Depends on your denomination or pastor,
priest, opinion.
"relationship" with "Body of Christ"? Ask Jesus.
#4 Yes....I was. Out of the structured building 15 years, and in the body going on 53 years.
#5 Yes....The church has lots of hot butts on a pew so they don't it won't get burned in hell....they hope.
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I think that the idea that the broad and narrow way are in reference to a destination in the afterlife is VERY problematic.
As if God would make sport with our souls. (few find it) ???
Luke 13:23-24
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Hillsage
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Now God's talking about the pew warmers Jack. You just don't understand the difference between the salvation of your spirit versus the salvation of your soul. You had no more choice in being 'birthed' into your earthly family than you do your heavenly one.
JOH 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he POWER to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
His will, not your will.
You aren't born a manifested SON in your earthly family of God. And in your earthly family you are born as a child and become a manifested or mature son. But only if you are obedient and faithful to good parental upbringing. Same way it happens in the kingdom realm.
ROM 8:14 For as many as are LED by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
You couldn't be LED until after you were born again. And the "POWER" to become a SON comes from the leading of the spirit you received from God. The reason the pew warmers won't make it through the "narrow gate" just might be because they're too spiritually lazy and therefore spiritually FAT.
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It's perfectly clear.
I suspect BILLIONS heading for Hell would agree with you.
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Hillsage
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Said the man who was looking in the rear view mirror at those behind, instead of the head on collision in his dirty windshield.
I know BILLIONS have ended up in hell, here and now, when they opened their mouths in spiritual ignorance.
YLT JAM 3:6* and the tongue {is} a fire, the world of the unrighteousness, so the tongue is set in our members, which is spotting our whole body, and is setting on fire the course of nature, and is set on fire by the gehenna/HELL.
Subject Heading:-' At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ? 'Question 1. At what point does a believer become part of the Body of Christ?
'But of Him (God) are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.'
(1Co 1:30-31)
Hello @St.SteVen,
When a believer is born from above, through faith in the all sufficient sacrifice of God's Beloved Son on his behalf. He is placed 'in' Christ, the risen Lord, by God the Father, and is therefore 'in Christ'. As to membership of the church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head, please see the following:-
Members Of The Church Of His Body - Believer.com
Ephesians 5:30 For we are members of His Body, of His flesh, and of His bones. There is only one Church today, and that is The Church, which is The Body of Chri...
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
'This thou knowest,
that all they which are in Asia
be turned away from me;... .... ... '
(2Tim. 1:15)
Hello again, @St.SteVen,
The epistles that inform us about the church which is the body of Christ, are those written by Paul, received by revelation of God, while in prison at Rome. Namely Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon. Before these letters were written the knowledge concerning this calling was, 'hid in God' (Ephesians 3:8-9) from 'the beginning of the world'. Therefore 'unsearchable' by such as those men of Berea, who are commended in Acts 17:10-12, for receiving what was preached by Paul with 'all readiness of mind,', but searched the Scriptures daily to see that the things they were hearing was indeed so.
They would have searched the Old Testament Scriptures: the Psalms, and the Prophets that spoke of the One Who was to come, the Messiah; thereby confirming the truth of what they were being told. This was commendable, and well worth emulating if we would be free of man's word, and open to the word of God. However, in regard to the truth of the mystery hidden in God, concerning the church which is the body of Christ, this was not possible, for it had not been made known prior to this unveiling.
* I do wonder whether it was the unsearchable nature of this revelation which caused the churches in Asia, to leave Paul, (see quote above).
Only in these epistles, written by Paul from prison, where he was being held by the Romans, are these truths made known. by him whom he perceived to be, 'The prisoner of Jesus Christ' for the Gentiles (Eph. 3:1): To whom he wrote the words that he himself had received by revelation from above.
Praise God!
In Christ Jesus
now risen and glorified
and sat at God's right hand.
Chris
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Jesus is my 'windshield'.
He said FEW.
So help pull them out of the fire! That's why I'm here.
Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?
In a previous topic I asked the question: Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized?
Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized?
On another topic we were discussing baptisms. I think the actual subject of the topic was the evidence for the baptism with the Holy Spirit. But somehow we veered into questions about water baptism and salvation. At least one individual had strong feelings about the necessity of water baptism...
www.christianityboard.com
Lack of response and seeming confusion caused by my topic question led me to attempt to clarify on this topic.
It seemed that readers assumed being part of the Body of Christ was synonymous with salvation.
As if I was asking if a person could be "saved" if they had not been baptized.
In the previous topic I was pointing to the pattern of the early church of new believers being baptized into the church.
Near the end of Acts chapter two we find this:
Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. - Acts 2:41 NIV
Note the connection between baptism and being added to the church. (the Body of Christ)
Acts 2:47 and 5:14 also use the phrase "added to their number". Is baptism assumed in these references?
I was raised Protestant evangelical. Baptism was encouraged, but not mandatory.
A person could even join the church as a member without being baptized. Which seemed a bit odd to me,
because the ones being baptized were said to be following the Lord's command to do so.
The emphasis on "believe and be baptized" (Mark 16:16) was definitely on the believe aspect.
Even church membership was not mandatory. Definitely a consumer attitude about church commitment.
I remember a Pastor at a church we had attended for 15 or 20 years encouraging us to become members.
I jokingly told him that we didn't want to rush into anything. - LOL We were as involved as any member was.
And we were grandfathered in, since this was the fourth or fifth Pastor for us at that church.
Discussion questions:
- At what point does a believer become part of the Body of Christ?
- Does it come automatically when one believes?
- What is the relationship between church membership and the Body of Christ?
- Can a believer that has left the church be a member of the Body of Christ?
- Can an uninvolved church attender be a member of the Body of Christ?
Behold
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You become a member of Christ's Body when you are born again "in Christ'.
If this does not happen to you while you are alive, it will never happen to you at all., and in that case, you "died in your sin", as this one.
A.) "you are of YOUR FATHER the DEVIL", and that mean that God isn't your Father, Heaven is not your home, Jesus is not your Savior, .. so, this person meets God in eternity as their eternal Judge and not as their eternal father.
They died under God's wrath.....John 3:36..........and that wrath is never ending, as the only way to end it was to be born again before you died. and they were not.
Doesn't the scripture indicate that believers were added to the body when they were baptized into the church? (see the OP)
Can a believer be a part of the Body of Christ without being water baptized?
- Acts 2:41
Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
- Acts 2:47
praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
- Acts 5:14
Nevertheless, more and more men and women believed in the Lord and were added to their number.
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