How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[RLT63]

See what I mean....You are assuming that this verse has something to do with the sons of God verses. If Yahweh would have indicated that they did wrong or intend to punish them.....I would be with you on speculating that these verses were referring to those verses. But what I can tell good came of the sons of God marrying the daughters of men. Christians have a tendency to think if it has anything to do with sex that it is evil. Don't forget that Yahweh impregnated a woman. There is nothing to say that was not sex. Yahweh did not create Yeshua, He begot Yeshua.....There is enough examples in the Bible to know how that is done. Yeshua is the Son of Yahweh.

Okay, you're getting into some very weird stuff here I'm just going to leave you to it

 

[Hiddenthings]

Okay, you're getting into some very weird stuff here I'm just going to leave you to it

I understand why you might look for an easy way out. It’s a tough subject and requires careful diligence in examining how words were actually used, like in ‘Get behind me, Satan’ and similar sayings. Maybe you think Peter was a fallen angel or something along those lines, but the truth is he was simply acting as an adversary to Christ, and that’s all. My advice: be cautious about what you read into Scripture, and make sure you have solid evidence for your beliefs. The image of a man on fire with a pitchfork simply isn’t found in the Bible!

Make sure you prove all things!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Most mainstream Bible scholars (across evangelical, Catholic, Orthodox, and mainline Protestant traditions) describe Satan/the devil using a synthesis of biblical texts, ancient Jewish literature, and early church tradition. Here is the consensus view:1. Identity and Names

• Satan (Hebrew שָׂטָן, sātān) literally means “adversary” or “accuser.” It functions as both a title and a proper name in later Scripture.
• The Devil (Greek διάβολος, diabolos) means “slanderer” or “false accuser.”

Btw the way you had it right above! You now just need to find out the identity of who and what is being referenced in each context.

 

[RLT63]

I understand why you might look for an easy way out. It’s a tough subject and requires careful diligence in examining how words were actually used, like in ‘Get behind me, Satan’ and similar sayings. Maybe you think Peter was a fallen angel or something along those lines, but the truth is he was simply acting as an adversary to Christ, and that’s all. My advice: be cautious about what you read into Scripture, and make sure you have solid evidence for your beliefs. The image of a man on fire with a pitchfork simply isn’t found in the Bible!

Make sure you prove all things!

Make sure that a post is addressed to you before you respond to it, that way you'll avoid looking foolish

 

[Hiddenthings]

Make sure that a post is addressed to you before you respond to it, that way you'll avoid looking foolish

I'll cop that one on the chin RLT ;)

 

[RLT63]

Btw the way you had it right above! You now just need to find out the identity of who and what is being referenced in each context.

The devil likes nothing more than having people believe that he does not exist

 

[Hiddenthings]

The devil likes nothing more than having people believe that he does not exist

If by devil you mean our nature then yes, agree.

This is why Christ died to destroy its power.

Hebrews 2:14 "Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,"

Here Paul uses the term ‘devil’ synonymously with sin. As you know, the wages of sin is death, and Christ died to destroy the power of sin.

Maybe you do not understand how God through Christ and through death destroyed "the devil"

Anyway, it's just another instance where your notions don't fit the context - they never will sadly.

 

[RLT63]

If by devil you mean our nature then yes, agree.

This is why Christ died to destroy its power.

Hebrews 2:14 "Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,"

Here Paul uses the term ‘devil’ synonymously with sin. As you know, the wages of sin is death, and Christ died to destroy the power of sin.

Maybe you do not understand how God through Christ and through death destroyed "the devil"

Anyway, it's just another instance where your notions don't fit the context - they never will sadly.

The irony meter is going off the charts

 

[Hiddenthings]

The irony meter is going off the charts

Are you saying you don't understand Hebrews 2:14?

 

[RLT63]

Are you saying you don't understand Hebrews 2:14?

No

 

[ProverbsInPink]

1 Timothy 3:16 – “…God was manifested in the flesh…” (KJV) → Greek: φανερωθέντος ἐν σαρκί (phanerōthentos en sarki), literally “having been made manifest in flesh.”

Do you understand how God tabernacled in Christ?

@Jack, as you can see,they don't agree.

Topical Bible: Tabernacled

 

[Hiddenthings]

No

If you did, your response makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Jack, as you can see,they don't agree.

Topical Bible: Tabernacled

For some, the biblical teaching of God’s manifestation cannot be grasped because rigid dogma obstructs understanding. Unfortunately, this prevents them from/you fully arriving at the truth of Revelation 21:3

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic:

Christians think they're okay. - Are they?

I have observed a state of superiority in Christians that is rather disturbing. They view themselves as saved and somehow members of an elite group. With that elitist attitude comes a level of pridefulness that is smug. They like to look down on others and condemn them. To be clear, it's...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[ProverbsInPink]

For some, the biblical teaching of God’s manifestation cannot be grasped because rigid dogma obstructs understanding. Unfortunately, this prevents them from/you fully arriving at the truth of Revelation 21:3

Immanuel=God with us.

Some have understood God and Immanuel are one, for a very long time.

Others,not so much.

It is surprising how those who don't believe that also admit they don't believe it even when God tells them so.

 

[RLT63]

If you did, your response makes no sense whatsoever.

To you

 

[Hiddenthings]

@RLT63 lets assume your understanding of Hebrews 2:14 and attach your notions of an all power supernatural evil being who is now destroyed.

And what on earth does Christ being in flesh and blood nature have to do with putting your cerature to death.

Think dear watson think!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Immanuel=God with us.

Some have understood God and Immanuel are one, for a very long time.

Others,not so much.

It is surprising how those who don't believe that also admit they don't believe it even when God tells them so.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (ESV): “In Christ, God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

The question is how? Your Master has taught you and shown you if you care to observe and listen.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

2 Corinthians 5:19 (ESV): “In Christ, God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

The question is how? Your Master has taught you and shown you if you care to observe and listen.

True.
Many won't understand that passage.
God was within Christ.

Immanuel,God with us. The word that was God became flesh and dwelt among us.

Not hard to understand. Yet, many do not.

And that,as Jesus said,is God's will.

Which is why we who know the truth can't think we will change the minds of those who don't understand. Only God can do that.

So,the more those who don't understand keeps insisting on a view that isn't of or from God,the more they show God hasn't reached their mind yet.

 

[RLT63]

@RLT63 lets assume your understanding of Hebrews 2:14 and attach your notions of an all power supernatural evil being who is now destroyed.

And what on earth does Christ being in flesh and blood nature have to do with putting your cerature to death.

Think dear watson think!

He's not all powerful, only God is all powerful