Hiddenthings
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You refer to he as though you can prove identity...I'm yet to see it.
Also, Hebrews 2:14 states clearly "he" is destroyed.
How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?
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Also, Hebrews 2:14 states clearly "he" is destroyed.
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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Yes that's our nature!
The exact same nature Christ had...
Therefore he (Jesus) had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people Heb 2:17.
So how does "devil", sin, flesh and blood, slavery and bondage relate to God's victory over flesh and blood?
Grailhunter
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I am surprised you don't believe what God said....
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua said.....My Father....50 times?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua said.....My Father in Heaven?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua ascended to His Father?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua sits on a throne to the right of the Father?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua said Yahweh was His God?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua said....In My Father's house are many mansions?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua was not doing His will but the Will of the Father?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua did not have the authority to grant John and James mother her request for her sons to sit on each side of Him?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua did not know when the end of time was but His Father did?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if Yeshua said.....My God My God why have you forsaken me?
Do you think Yahweh begot Himself, that He is His own Son?
How can Yahweh and Yeshua be one if the scriptures say only one name can be called upon for salvation? Not Yahweh, not the Holy Spirit.....The name is Yeshua.
Do you believe God the Father was crucified?
This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased. Should the scripture be changed to This is My beloved Me with whom I am well pleased.
The Father loves the Son and has given all things in His hands John 13:3. Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he had come forth from God, and was going back to God.
Matthew 16:17
And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matthew 10:32
Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven.
Yeshua explained the oneness concept and it includes all of us. This is part of the body of Christ concept that Paul talked about.
And there are a lot more scriptures that prove the one God formula for the Trinity wrong and the three Gods formula for the Trinity true. Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit....
I am surprised that no matter what the scriptures say people want to believe the 3 in 1 formula that the Roman Catholic Church devised. On the other hand I do not think they are dumb. This false belief has been around since the 4th century and old habits die hard. Back in the biblical era the belief that the world was the shape of a cracker, flat with corners and set immobile on a foundation and the sun and moon and stars revolved around the planet earth was centuries old and would continue to be believed for centuries more.
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You're playing word games. God sent Himself in the Flesh, Jesus!
Hiddenthings
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There is one God with three individual persons. Those persons are not separate from God, but are one God.
God is not (only) the Holy Spirit. God is not (only) the Son or (only) the Father.
From the CYB Statement of Faith: "We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27, Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 90:2, John 1:1, John 10:30, Romans 3:30, II Corinthians 13:14, I Peter 1:2)"
Excellent!
Excellent!
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It is not deceptive. Deception is intentionally causing someone to believe something that is false or misleading.
The shield is a helpful tool that is imperfect. Because no graphical representation or verbal example can represent the mystery of Trinity fully.
I am not interested in Jehovah Witness doctrines/teachings. So, if you are unable to answer concisely and factually in a conversational way (instead of "teaching" me the whole sectarian bag of nonsense), do not send me any more of it. Thanks!
That's all Aunty has to offer. That's all she knows.
Basic JW doctrine: The Bible doesn't mean what it says. It means what we say.
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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Yes, and that's where you learn of agency.
e.g.
Psalm 103:20–21 (ESV):
“Bless the Lord, O you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his word,
obeying the voice of his word!
Bless the Lord, all his hosts,
his ministers, who do his will!”
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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If you look at God’s character, you see that He challenges and develops people spiritually, and the fact that Jesus grew in wisdom speaks to His agency. You can read Scripture for yourself and observe how God works with those He loves.
It's possible your God grows in wisdom but mine does not...only those who act on his behalf grow in wisdom (agency)
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