Doctrine of Predestination

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this False doctrine has been refuted

All of Calvin's doctrine is false

So not even those who Jesus redeems to be kings and priests in His kingdom out of every tongue tribe people and nation are predestined to these roles by God?

 

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And no faith equals no salvation.

Sure God has called all to be saved, but Jesus said the road that leads to life is narrow and FEW BE THAT FIND IT

Limited Atonement is FALSE Doctrine
It is in fact DOCTRINES OF DEVILS

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

NOTE - Romans 8:29,30 is not saying all are automatically saved which would be the false doctrine of universalism, but rather is teaching us that God has in fact provided opportunity for all to be saved which is evident in the scripture references below

Romans 5:17,18
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

NOTE - Romans 5:17,18 is clearly telling us that the free gift came upon all men agreeing with Titus 2:11,12

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

1 John 2:2
Jesus is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:1-4
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Corinthians 5:19,20
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Are you saying that all will be saved according to God's will as this is what He desires?

 

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It's in a public forum inviting others to comment.

You should take the conversation private and only allow yes men to participate if you don't want to hear what God's Word says



Those following the false doctrines of reformed theology obviously cannot understand God's Word.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 6:16 is one of many passages that refute limited atonement

Yes, Christ's atonement and redemption is not limited and has no expiry date. It stands forever and ever without end. I don't know why some people want to keep saying it is time limited (available in this present age only)and for only a few.

 

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And no faith equals no salvation.

Some were predestinated to salvation by grace through faith

 

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this False doctrine has been refuted

All of Calvin's doctrine is false

We will see for sure on the day of judgment

 

[brightfame52]

So not even those who Jesus redeems to be kings and priests in His kingdom out of every tongue tribe people and nation are predestined to these roles by God?

Yes they are, good works Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Some were predestinated to salvation by grace through faith

And it's sad that some follow the heretic John Calvin claiming God assigned everyone else to hell before they were even born!

These heretics are not saved themselves because heresy is on God's list of things that cause people to not inherit the Kingdom

We will see for sure on the day of judgment

The smart ones see now because they accept the whole counsel of God and don't follow false teachers like John Calvin who thought it was OK to MURDER those who did not agree with his fake "gospel"

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Are you saying that all will be saved according to God's will as this is what He desires?

Those that actually know the Lord and His Word see where the Lord tells us why some are not saved.

It's sad that the calvin heretics reject all those scriptures I just posted.

New flash, I did not write those passages the Lord did thru the Apostles

It actually IS the Lord's will that all be saved.

It's not His fault that all are not saved. He did His part and provided salvation for all.

 

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Those that actually know the Lord and His Word see where the Lord tells us why some are not saved.

It's sad that the calvin heretics reject all those scriptures I just posted.

New flash, I did not write those passages the Lord did thru the Apostles

It actually IS the Lord's will that all be saved.

It's not His fault that all are not saved. He did His part and provided salvation for all.

Thanks for clarifying that.

Yes, it's great that Jesus is at work redeeming more and more humans, forming His government that will be upon His shoulders one day.

This gives me total confidence knowing He will be at the top, taking full responsibility for His kingdom, His global government.

 

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Yes they are, good works Eph 2:10

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Sure. My confidence is in this truth. It is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure, while working out your own salvation with fear and trembling. I guess Jesus describes it as a partnership and puts it like this, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

 

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And it's sad that some follow the heretic John Calvin claiming God assigned everyone else to hell before they were even born!

He did Predestined some to wrath and hell before they were born.

 

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Sure. My confidence is in this truth. It is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure, while working out your own salvation with fear and trembling. I guess Jesus describes it as a partnership and puts it like this, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

The good works were predestined by God before the individual was born

 

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He did Predestined some to wrath and hell before they were born.

The short-sightedness of all of us can lead us to come to conclusions that just aren't accurate. Then there are direct revelations that God gives us that are accurate and true.

One which I received was the reconciliation of all God's created beings. A purpose for this is that we will all serve God together to bring about completion of His creations. Eg. to develop the planets which are groaning now waiting for their time to be released from decay and be completed as planet earth will be at the end of Christ's reign when He hands it over to His Father.

Predestination, destination predetermined. Every created being will have the one and the same destination, the kingdom of God. Their road to this destination will be different dependant on God's purpose for us.

 

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The good works were predestined by God before the individual was born

Absolutely. According to His eternal purpose, His script. He has a purpose for every living being who do good works and other works. All works will be evaluated by God.

 

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He did Predestined some to wrath and hell before they were born.

According to His script and purpose.

 

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The short-sightedness of all of us can lead us to come to conclusions that just aren't accurate. Then there are direct revelations that God gives us that are accurate and true.

One which I received was the reconciliation of all God's created beings. A purpose for this is that we will all serve God together to bring about completion of His creations. Eg. to develop the planets which are groaning now waiting for their time to be released from decay and be completed as planet earth will be at the end of Christ's reign when He hands it over to His Father.

Predestination, destination predetermined. Every created being will have the one and the same destination, the kingdom of God. Their road to this destination will be different dependant on God's purpose for us.

Sounds like you believe things that are not true

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

He did Predestined some to wrath and hell before they were born.

If that were actually true, then there's some lies in God's Word such as:

God predestined ALL to be saved, and then many allowed satan to blind their eyes to prevent them from seeing the Gospel
See - Romans 8:29-30, Romans 1:19-21, Titus 2:11-12, 1 John 2:2, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:1-4, Acts 17:30, John 12:32, Hebrews 2:9, John 3:16, Matthew 5:6

The Lord tells us in His Word why not all are saved:

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus tells us each person is responsible for finding the pathway that leads to life because they are without excuse (Romans 1:19-21)

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads unto life, and few there be that find it.

Sadly the calvinists claim Jesus is a liar since Jesus never taught calvinism and they specialize in twisting scripture as they are speaking in behalf of their father the devil


Here are those that end up being the elect:

Psalm 4:3
But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.

2 Timothy 2:21
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Those that turn away from walking in darkness and instead walk with the Lord and endure In Christ until, the end of their lives are the elect.

Those that turn away from walking in darkness and instead walk with the Lord and endure In Christ until, the end of their lives are the elect.

This does not mean the Lord did not want all to be saved or that He has not provided salvation for all as the calvinists have been falsely taught by the devil.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

He did Predestined some to wrath and hell before they were born.

Maybe you are one of the ones He predestined to wrath and it's not possible for you to get born again.

God any evidence you aren't assigned to spend eternity in hell???

 

[brightfame52]

If that were actually true, then there's some lies in God's Word such as:

It is true and there are no lies in God's word it's all in your imagination

 

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Maybe you are one of the ones He predestined to wrath and it's not possible for you to get born again.

God any evidence you aren't assigned to spend eternity in hell??? View attachment 73702

We will have to wait and see on the day of judgment