Whose really pulling the anti-Israel strings?

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Ever since the October 7th massacre that killed 1,200 people in Israel, mostly civilians, there has been a marked increase in online anti-Israel rhetoric. No longer is such rhetoric relegated to the left, but it has infected the right side of the isle as well. It has now become fashionable to hate Israel. But who is really pulling the anti-Israel strings? As it turns out, all roads lead back to Qatar.

There are those who love to focus on and criticize the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) for their influence on U.S. policy, yet are oblivious and turn a blind eye when it comes to all the other foreign lobbies. Out of the top ten foreign lobbies, Israel doesn't even rank number one, that's reserved for China, but tenth. Above Israel ranks three Muslim countries, one of which is Qatar. *Source: Foreign Lobby Watch

Qatar is an extremely wealthy Islamic country. GDP-wise, they are the wealthiest in terms of average citizen affluence. And what have they done with their vast wealth? For one, they own the Al Jazeera media network, including AJ+, which targets a younger audience on social media. With this, they push a very pro-Palestine, anti-Israel narrative. In fact, Qatar is so pro-Palestine that they host the Hamas political office in Doha for exiled Hamas leaders and have given 1.8+ billion in aid to Gaza. Additionally, they project the Palestinian flag on state-linked buildings like museums.

Now, let's look at the top foreign countries that donate to U.S. universities. Of the top ten donors, five are Islamic countries. And the number one biggest foreign donor is, you guessed it, Qatar. They have invested billions of dollars into U.S. education. It's not just limited to universities either but everything in between, from kindergarten to high schools. With this, they can influence and dictate what is taught and who teaches it. Someone not on the list is Israel. It shouldn't be a surprise then why universities are a hotbed of anti-Israel protests and sentiments.

Qatar's influence on U.S. politics and education is greater than Israel's by far, and we are seeing the fruits of that influence now with mainstream figures on the right such as Candance Owens and Tucker Carlson spouting those same anti-Israel talking points from the Islamic world. It's not a coincidence then that there's an inverse relationship between being anti-Israel and being pro-Islam and Palestinian. Tucker Carlson, for instance, now mocks criticism of Sharia law while praising Muslim countries, a stark contrast to his earlier positions.

Meanwhile, the obsession with tiny Israel distracts from the real threat: the Islamization of the West. We already see it happening in Europe, and now it's happening in the U.S., The socialist Muslim Zohran Mamdani just became the mayor of New York City. Then there are the roughly 100 mega mosques in the U.S. with plans to build more. All this is to say, there is a concerted effort by Qatar and other Islamic countries to infiltrate, subvert, and divide the U.S. Don't fall for the obvious psyop.
 

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Whose really pulling the anti-Israel strings?​

Israel's own behaviour is a witness against them.
 

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Meanwhile, the obsession with tiny Israel distracts from the real threat: the Islamization of the West. We already see it happening in Europe, and now it's happening in the U.S., The socialist Muslim Zohran Mamdani just became the mayor of New York City. Then there are the roughly 100 mega mosques in the U.S. with plans to build more. All this is to say, there is a concerted effort by Qatar and other Islamic countries to infiltrate, subvert, and divide the U.S. Don't fall for the obvious psyop.
So true.
 

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Genocide of course. They practiced in the past and now the the approval of the strongest nation in the world, they engage in it again.

If Israel’s true goal was "genocide", they could have done so a long time ago and without much difficulty. The numbers, however, do not support that narrative. According to The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, Gaza's population in 2015 was 1.76 million. As of mid-2025, Gaza's population is 2.1 million. Populations don't go up during a genocide, they go down.

By the way, how do you reconcile God commanding the Israelites to kill everything that breaths in Deu 20:16-17? Isn't that by definition a genocide?
 
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If Israel’s true goal was "genocide", they could have done so a long time ago and without much difficulty. The numbers, however, do not support that narrative. According to The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, Gaza's population in 2015 was 1.76 million. As of mid-2025, Gaza's population is 2.1 million. Populations don't go up during a genocide, they go down.

By the way, how do you reconcile God commanding the Israelites to kill everything that breaths in Deu 20:16-17? Isn't that by definition a genocide?
I don't believe that God ordered any killing even while the writer believed he did. Why do I say this? Because its inconsistent with Jesus who the scripture says 'is close to the Fathers heart' John 1:18
The Sermon on the mount (Matthew 5) also reveals the heart of God contrary to how Old Testament folk understood God.
Jesus was a whole new way of seeing the nature of God, so I would ask, does God require of us more than he is subject to himself?

We either believe in the God who the Hebrews understood (an eye for an eye) or we believe in the God Jesus modelled and revealed (forgive your enemies)

Israel has modelled its behaviour after their understanding that God has no problem with genocide. They approved of the murder of the God who modelled, love your enemies.
 
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I don't believe that God ordered any killing even while the writer believed he did.

Then what you're essentially saying is you don't believe the Bible. To deny that the Israelites were used by God as a form of judgment against the Canaanite nations would also be to deny God flooded the world and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Your views are inconsistent with the New Testament because about a third of the NT quotes or alludes to the Old Testament. And nowhere in the NT does it refute what the OT says.

We either believe in the God who the Hebrews understood (an eye for an eye) or we believe in the God Jesus modelled and revealed (forgive your enemies)

Or we can believe both. God is multifaceted. He's a God of love, but He's also a judge. Jesus is a mediator and intercessor on our behalf; that's why he tells us to forgive our enemies, because vengeance is the Lord's (Rom 12:19, Deu 32:35). God and Jesus deal with humanity in different ways, but they are still one and the same. But guess what? Jesus came the first time as a lamb, but he's returning as a lion to make war and smite the nations. There's a reason why the hem of his robe will be dipped in red (Rev 19:11-16).

Israel has modelled its behaviour after their understanding that God has no problem with genocide. They approved of the murder of the God who modelled, love your enemies.

Israel is a secular nation, as people like to point out, so they are not modeling their behavior after the God of the Old Testament. I'm really curious how you think Israel should have responded to the October 7th attack. What Israel did is no different than how anyone else would have responded if they were attacked. The reality is, you can't survive in that part of the world without being heavy-handed. That's not the world we live in.
 
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Hello

God warned Israel of the consequences of turning away from worshipping Him and worshipping idols instead. The consequences of doing just this is first spoken about in Exodus 20:4-6 where God stated that the iniquities of the fathers of idol worship would be visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and fourth generation/age of their existence. In Levitates 28 and Deuteronomy 28 God explicitly tells Israel what will befall them because of their idolatrous worship.

In Daniel 8 God foretold that the Beastly Little Horn would be given armies with which to trample both God's sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, i.e. the Israelites.

In Ezekiel God also promised that after the completion of the Exodus 20-4-6 prophecy and the completion of Daniel 8's 2,300-year prophecy of the Gentiles trampling the temple and Israelites that He would begin to gather the Israelite to Himself and would plant them in His fertile soil and would teach them upon the truth that will come down out of heaven in around 20 years' time which will become the corner stone of the biggest mountain/religion in all of the earth.

At this same time God also promised the Israelites a covenant of peace for around 1,000 years when He would judge the heavenly hosts, i.e. Satan, the beasts and the Little Horn as well as the kings of the earth who were helping the Little Horn to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts at the place called Armageddon. We have already seen the prophetic fulfilment that is drawing the kings of the earth to all assemble at Armageddon to be judged around 40 years before the Armageddon event will take place.

God is presently allowing the Little Horn to fan the Anti-Israel rhetoric, presently occurring, in an effort to turn Israel back to Himself.

Sadly, many Churches and "Christian based theology", is also pushing the Anti-Jewish responses as well today.

Who is behind what is happening today? It is not hard to guess who it is.
 

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Then what you're essentially saying is you don't believe the Bible. To deny that the Israelites were used by God as a form of judgment against the Canaanite nations would also be to deny God flooded the world and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Your views are inconsistent with the New Testament because about a third of the NT quotes or alludes to the Old Testament. And nowhere in the NT does it refute what the OT says.
A good observation yet limited in my view. Let me explain if you would please bear with me....(it is directly commented on at the end of this post.

Firstly I would ask, do we interpret the New Testament by the Old Testament or the Old Testament by the New Testament? Think about it.

If we interpret the NT by the OT we have genocide sanctioned and justified (Jericho...Joshua 6) as is oppressive Patriarchy (Judges 19)... as is an eye for an eye (Exodus 21)....as is stoning for adultery and deliberate sin (incidentally, for which there was no sacrifice and no forgiveness) ....an insistent rebellious Son was stoned immediately (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Above are a few examples of OT realities in Israel.

Secondly, I would add.....the writers no doubt had the best intentions but their view of God's Character (his nature) was restricted. Even though God revealed himself to them they interpreted him through their cultural paradigm.

Moses reality was shaped being raised as a military man in Pharaoh's world. The rule under Pharaoh was do or die and God was seen as an uber Pharaoh.
When Israel left Egypt after 400 years of Pharaoh's rule (slavery). Israel who now numbered in excess of half a million people, had no overloads to regulate them and blood feuds unrestrained. Revenge was extracted with whole families being murdered for real or perceived infractions.
With this in mind, the eye for an eye rule was a considerable advancement on unrestrained revenge.

Further....
After the Exodus the people carried with them foreign gods and ideas of God encouraged by the 'mixed multitude' (Egyptians and others who witnessed the plagues and joined Israel's departure from Egypt)
Even in the face of Mt Sinai shaking and burning with fire and the proclamation of ONE God they resorted to constructing a golden calf.

Moses with all his experience (military leader, escape from Egypt, a shepherd for 40 years, the burning bush encounter, instructions from God finally asks to see God's Glory (Exodus 33:18) and God allows him to see God's 'back' (Exodus 34:6-7)
.....and even with this direct encounter Moses could not shake his 'programmed' paradigm entirely. (food for thought)

The ONE God idea of Israel (though justified) in time had them dismiss the possibility of other forces (powers) shaping events on Earth (Satan was seen to be a prosecutor and not the Devil as Jesus revealed him to be (John 10:10)....so all events occurring (both good and bad) were attributed to God. This comes through clearly in Isaiah's view (Isaiah 45:7) where God creates both good and evil. Isaiah is reiterating Moses's view some 1500 years earlier (Deuteronomy 32:39...) It took approximately another 700 years for Jesus to arrive.

Along comes Jesus introducing a whole new paradigm (way of seeing God) His seminal speech (Matthew 5) reveals a God whose character is considerably different to what had been culturally understood and accepted. In fact, Jesus contradicts many assumptions of the Jewish cultural views of God. (the pagan views of God were totally off the charts)

Jesus....'You have heard it said an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth but I say unto you do not resist and evil person (Matthew 5:38-39)
There are several of these 'You have heard said but I say unto you' (Matthew 5: 21-22, 27-28, 31-32, 33-34, 38-39, 43-45)

Jesus forgave sins unilaterally without requiring anything. He never sent anyone to the temple to offer a lamb for forgiveness (neither did John the Baptist)

There is much more to say but in summary, if we want clarity on the Character (nature) of God we are to interpret the OT by the NT (in particular, through the lens of Jesus) not the other way around (the NT by the OT) If we do we end up in a confused mess.

So, to your comment, 'Then what you're essentially saying is you don't believe the Bible.'
The Bible must be understood in its cultural context. Dismissing cultural context as if all that was written is a 'straight line' and every utterance has the same value, is in my view extremely poor judgement (exegesis) and as said at the outset, the bible can be and is used to justify even genocide let alone all the other miserable edicts, assumptions and practices it records.

In our language (communications) today which is full of metaphors and idioms on an everyday level....all of which must be understood in their context in order to make sense of what is being communicated; how much more is this to be a consideration in interpreting that which was recorded millennia ago?

Jesus is the Light of the World. It is he who directly and unmitigatedly reflects the Father....it is he to whom the Prophets point. It is Jesus which the voice from the cloud on the Mt of Transfiguration said we are to listen to, not those who appeared with him (Moses and Elijah) Matthew 17:5

Thank you for your attention if you have gotten this far.
 
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Meanwhile, the obsession with tiny Israel distracts from the real threat: the Islamization of the West. We already see it happening in Europe, and now it's happening in the U.S., The socialist Muslim Zohran Mamdani just became the mayor of New York City. Then there are the roughly 100 mega mosques in the U.S. with plans to build more. All this is to say, there is a concerted effort by Qatar and other Islamic countries to infiltrate, subvert, and divide the U.S. Don't fall for the obvious psyop.

 

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They approved of the murder of the God who modelled, love your enemies.
Are you sure that suggestion isn't harsher than the laws of moses? The problem is the "palestinians" are usually unarmed. The Canaanites were not defenseless. The Jews of Germany were. I would hate to see you trying to correct Israel and the "palestinians".
 
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And just as he can appear as an angel of light, (Satan=Lucifer=Light Bringer), so too does he claim to be Christian,and against Israel)

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 

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Are you sure that suggestion isn't harsher than the laws of moses? The problem is the "palestinians" are usually unarmed. The Canaanites were not defenseless. The Jews of Germany were. I would hate to see you trying to correct Israel and the "palestinians".
a quote taken out of context is a pretext!
 
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Meanwhile, the obsession with tiny Israel distracts from the real threat: the Islamization of the West. We already see it happening in Europe, and now it's happening in the U.S., The socialist Muslim Zohran Mamdani just became the mayor of New York City. Then there are the roughly 100 mega mosques in the U.S. with plans to build more. All this is to say, there is a concerted effort by Qatar and other Islamic countries to infiltrate, subvert, and divide the U.S. Don't fall for the obvious psyop.

Forbes seems to be platforming these people also, could be Qatar

 
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Meanwhile, the obsession with tiny Israel distracts from the real threat: the Islamization of the West. We already see it happening in Europe, and now it's happening in the U.S., The socialist Muslim Zohran Mamdani just became the mayor of New York City. Then there are the roughly 100 mega mosques in the U.S. with plans to build more. All this is to say, there is a concerted effort by Qatar and other Islamic countries to infiltrate, subvert, and divide the U.S. Don't fall for the obvious psyop.

Even Israel is asking why so many Jews are voting for Mamdani (Authentic Israelite sources only)