How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[Lambano]

Why don’t we all just admit we don’t know or understand what’s going on at that level of existence and call it a day?

 

[GodsGrace]

What are you shocked about @Lambano ?

 

[HealthyShape]

Why don’t we all just admit we don’t know or understand what’s going on at that level of existence and call it a day?

Because some things about God were revealed and we should not deny them.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Nope
Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. 1st Corinthians 8:6

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 1st Timothy 2:5

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. 2nd Corinthians 13:14

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3

Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 count the ands

And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. John 5:20

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 1st Peter 1:3

And every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:11

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Ephesians 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. 2nd Corinthians 1:3-4

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. Acts 10:38

Lol
You left out the Jesus deity verses.
SMH

 

[rebuilder 454]

Bob and Bill and Fred = 1 person
Yahweh and Yeshua and Holy Spirit = 1 God
1 + 1 + 1 = 1
Do not use that math for your check book, bad things will happen.

God is not in your box.
Logic is not the pathway to God.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are that pathway.
God gave His Son Jesus so we might live.

If you step back and ponder the gravity of God dying for man, without any faith, your brain will explode.
The trinity is the same.

Makes no sense.
God tells Hosea to marry a prostitute.
God tells a king that the Jordan will heal leprosy.
God causes a donkey to speak for him.

YOU would not have done any of that, because your mind is not in the same dimension as God operates in.

God is OUTSIDE of your mind and dimension.
You can not figure out Jesus sacrifice, or the trinity.
They are both declared in the bible and believed by faith.
Not figured out.

 

[MonoBiblical]

It's just a matter of actually reading the Nicene or the Athanasian creed. But it seems it is too much work for some and they feel better just imagining some nonsense and presenting it as the Trinity doctrine.

It was suspected that the Origenists and that includes Arius only believed in a Godhood for Christ because it satisfied Hellenic philosophy. The Christ is ridiculously pre-existent and gives people his permanent beginning to believers. Thus, the breath of man is the hope of the permanent life for the individual just like it is other Hellenic religions. Because of this, Athanasius pushed for same existence over the Arian similar existence. This was an attack, rightfully so, on Origen's belief where Human breathes were immortal and pre-existent like the Christ. No longer is the Christ heroic in Origenism, but rather a weak avatar. Nobody in the East, admits this about Origen, but given enough speculation, anyone can come to this conclusion.

 

[Lambano]

What are you shocked about @Lambano ?

Electricity. I find it shocking.

 

[HealthyShape]

It was suspected that the Origenists and that includes Arius only believed in a Godhood for Christ because it satisfied Hellenic philosophy. The Christ is ridiculously pre-existent and gives people his permanent beginning to believers. Thus, the breath of man is the hope of the permanent life for the individual just like it is other Hellenic religions. Because of this, Athanasius pushed for same existence over the Arian similar existence. This was an attack, rightfully so, on Origen's belief where Human breathes were immortal and pre-existent like the Christ. No longer is the Christ heroic in Origenism, but rather a weak avatar. Nobody in the East, admits this about Origen, but given enough speculation, anyone can come to this conclusion.

I gave this to AI to fact check your post and the verdict is:

"Summary judgment — Mostly false or misleading."

So, I think I will ignore what you created and I will just repeat that Bible itself teaches the preexistence of Christ and His deity.

 

[Grailhunter]

Again, Trinity does not mean three Gods in one. It means three persons in one God.

I have no idea why you and ProverbsInPink do not get it and repeat your mistake over and over again. Your ignorance starts to look intentional at this point.

People phrase it different ways.....call it what you want.

 

[Grailhunter]

GH....
Do you believe Jesus was born of a virgin?

HOW COULD THAT BE?

It's impossible!!

No that is a teaching of the Catholic Church.......The 3 in 1 formula is false and the perpetual virgin is false and the doctrine of Original Sin is false.

I believe that Miriam was not a virgin after conception.

 

[Brakelite]

A lot of this is noise.

You acknowledge that the king of Tyre is being addressed, yet you insist the passage must also refer to Satan’s fall, even though you cannot explain how such a story fits within the prophetic context that Ezekiel provides

You don't need to be a scholar to read the text with care.

Chapters 26 and 27 of Ezekiel record the destruction of Tyre, fulfilled literally, since the ancient site remains today ‘like the top of a rock…a place to spread nets upon’ and has never been rebuilt (Ezek. 26:14). The rest of chapter 28 addresses Sidon and the future restoration of Israel.

Why, in this context, would the prophet suddenly insert a revelation about the origin of Satan?

Do not assume or invent a response, look for evidence.

For example, do any New Testament writers interpret this prophecy as the origin story of your being? If so, show your evidence - if not why not?

You insist that it solely a literal application, but fail in any attempt to attach any literal understanding to the king's presence in Eden or his role as a covering cherub.

 

[Grailhunter]

Lol
You left out the Jesus deity verses.
SMH

Pay attention....post 1301

 

[Grailhunter]

God is not in your box.
Logic is not the pathway to God.
Jesus and the Holy Spirit are that pathway.
God gave His Son Jesus so we might live.

If you step back and ponder the gravity of God dying for man, without any faith, your brain will explode.
The trinity is the same.

Makes no sense.
God tells Hosea to marry a prostitute.
God tells a king that the Jordan will heal leprosy.
God causes a donkey to speak for him.

YOU would not have done any of that, because your mind is not in the same dimension as God operates in.

God is OUTSIDE of your mind and dimension.
You can not figure out Jesus sacrifice, or the trinity.
They are both declared in the bible and believed by faith.
Not figured out.

Hocus pocus comes out of a hat.

 

[HealthyShape]

People phrase it different ways.....call it what you want.

Nope, words have specific meanings and you need to learn what you want to debate, including the proper terms.

 

[Brakelite]

Well, if we had time to explore you above references you would find the OT is 100% silent on an angelic arch enemy of God.

Jude disagrees with you.
“Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. ”
Jude 1:9 KJV

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[Brakelite]

James 1:14 “But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.”

And you're applying that to Jesus?

 

[Brakelite]

You are inferring your beliefs into the text. Why wouldn't it just say he was tempted by the Pharisees?
His interactions with them are clearly described.
You are denying the plain reading of the text to accommodate your beliefs
The Gospels are literal why do you take this section figuratively?

He takes things purely literal when it suits him to do so, and symbolic when it suits. No consistency.

 

[Grailhunter]

Nope, words have specific meanings and you need to learn what you want to debate, including the proper terms.

LOL You will not control what I say and I am not going to phrase it like each denomination phrases it. So hocus pocus Alakazam! You are normal. Do you feel better?

It is better than may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch.

 

[HealthyShape]

LOL You will not control what I say and I am not going to phrase it like each denomination phrases it. So hocus pocus Alakazam! You are normal. Do you feel better?

It is better than may the fleas of a thousand camels infest your crotch.

If you are either lazy or unable to learn to understand the doctrine of Trinity, you are only embarrassing yourself with your "hocus pocus" childishness.

I have corrected you several times. If you will continue with your mocking of the Trinity, without any serious attempt to have a normal discussion about it, I will start reporting your mocking. Because it is against the rules. And we do not need to tolerate mockers and trolls, here.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why don’t we all just admit we don’t know or understand what’s going on at that level of existence and call it a day?

Yeah !!