Is it possible to lose salvation?

[BreadOfLife]

They only thought that they were Jesus' brothers. Your prooftext is worthless.

No - Scripture mzkrd iy crystal-clear they they weren't uterine sublings.

I challenge you to prove me wrong . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well your redefining words is still sharp! The very word Baptizmo- is to dunk!

And your Ezekiel passage is a false connection to Baptism. Shows your desperation.

It is a prophecy for Israel! And it is god who sprinkles and the water but the new birth regenerates them and allows them to livew in the land of Gods promise. So sad you have to pluck so low.

Exekiel’s prophecy perfectly describes what Baptism DOES to the person – the forgiveness of sins and the renewal of the Spirit. It’s Ir mirrors the way Peter describes the effects of Baptism in Acts 2:38-39.

And I do not care a whit about the didache.

You don’t care because it proves you WRONG . . .

Just like ANY other historical record – it shows a snapshot of the time. The Didache shows us how the Early Church worshipped and practiced their faith in the first century.

The pretended vicars of Jesus at Trent pronounced anathemas that never came from god. IT is a man made teaching. Baptism is necessary for a believer, but baptism does not make one a believer and born again, it is a post regeneration event.

WRONG.

Christ gave His Church the Authority to speak on HIS behalf (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15).

And FYI, the word baptizmo in teh culture could only be understood one way- dunkin- like the donut!

And I’ve already PROVEN otherwise . . .

The Didache - Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[MonoBiblical]

But the Hebrew and Greek ansolutely DO . . .

And you barely know each.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No - Scripture mzkrd iy crystal-clear they they weren't uterine sublings.

I challenge you to prove me wrong . . .

Where were the brothers to help poor Mary who witnesses her son die? It is you who needs the proof.

 

[MonoBiblical]

And I'm tire of faithless anti-Christians who proliferate the falsehood that God has limits . . .

Don't slander. I am still tired of Catholics who speak lies about medical virginity.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The Catholic Church isn’t broken up into multiple pieces

I suppose the great schism never happened.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Jesus was talking sabout the spiritual rebirth of Baptism . . .

Jesus was talking about water in the barrens, translated poorly as desert. The man is also called the water of life in English translation.

 

[Christian Soldier]

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Who are you saying is excluded from the world?

If you cared to study the surrounding context of John 3:16, you would find that "the word" in the verse refers to Gentiles. The Jews falsely believed that Jesus came to save only them.
But John 3:16 is one of over 100 verses confirming that Gods elect come from all over the world. You know "from every tribe and tongue.

You won't find a single verse in the bible to support this silly idea that God wants to save every single person. Universalism has been well and truly debunked, I'm surprised some still hold on to this dead false doctrine.

John 3:16 was spoken to the jews, to inform them that the "elect of God" (those chosen by God, before the foundation of the world) are not only the blood relatives of Abraham (the Jews), but they come from every corner of the globe, (Gentiles).

 

[Christian Soldier]

I suppose the great schism never happened.

The schism happened because the players, decided to create new Christian denominations. The trend caught on and now we have 49,000 different Christian denominations.

The problem with denominations, is they all departed from the Church which the Lord Jesus established and continues to build to this very day. The One true Church is the Body of Christ, His Body is not divided into 49,000 bitterly opposed denominations. No He only has One Body.

 

[JLB]

If you cared to study the surrounding context of John 3:16, you would find that "the word" in the verse refers to Gentiles.

‘I think you mean “the world”.

The world refers to the “unsaved people of the world”.

 

[JLB]

But John 3:16 is one of over 100 verses confirming that Gods elect come from all over the world. You know "from every tribe and tongue.

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10


We see here that it was Paul’s consuming passion to endure whatever suffering necessary so that the elect would ALSO obtain salvation.


We see that the elect also need salvation.


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1 John 2:2


‘The blood of Jesus paid the price for the world and for those who are saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10


We see here that it was Paul’s consuming passion to endure whatever suffering necessary so that the elect would ALSO obtain salvation.


We see that the elect also need salvation.


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1 John 2:2


‘The blood of Jesus paid the price for the world and for those who are saved.

Yes , paul suffered persecutions at the hands of men
for the spreading of the gospel .
For the sakes of the peoples who did need to hear it and beleive . For there is no salvation
outside of CHRIST and in order to be saved ONE must BELEIVE ON HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10


We see here that it was Paul’s consuming passion to endure whatever suffering necessary so that the elect would ALSO obtain salvation.


We see that the elect also need salvation.


And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
1 John 2:2


‘The blood of Jesus paid the price for the world and for those who are saved.

The price has been paid . Thus the call is come and Beleive and receive the remission of sins .
But beware lest one Trods under foot the SON of man
There will be no sacrfice for sins for that one . But the gift is free , it is of GOD and of the LAMB
The time to remind all of the dire necessity to BELEIVE ON HIM , IS right now .
All that was required to be saved , justified , reconciled JESUS has done .
Come and recieve of the free gift of GOD the gift of everlasting life , IN CHRIST JESUS . Time to remind all
that it is T IME to beleive on HIM , while there still be time to do so .

 

[amigo de christo]

And you barely know each.

If you have not noticed it yet , then take heed and see .
Have you ever noticed , YET , that when watching folks debate
using both the g reek and hebrew , that at times their so called greek and hebrew
contradicts the ot hers greek and hebrew and it darn sure contradicts the simple scriptures .
So my advice is
we simply learn , read and enjoy the scriptures for our selves .
Because its quite obvious that both sides scholars cannot have the correct hebrew or greek
IF AND WHEN its contradicting . This is known as an invention of men by which it lead
their peoples into the direction THEY desired them to go .
Cause who has the so called right greek , is it the adventists
or maybe the RCC , or is it the JW or etc .
IN OTHER W ORDS , THEY duped us all into beleiving that to know the bible better
YA HAD TO SIT UNDER THEM for to learn it , the greek and etc .
MEN are fleecing folks . I say PRAY TO GOD , FOLLOW CHRIST and learn the scrips daily for yourself .
So as folks continue not to be decieved by such cunning men who do lie in wait to decieve .
Time for us to stand and contend for the true faith .

 

[JLB]

The price has been paid . Thus the call is come and Beleive and receive the remission of sins .
But beware lest one Trods under foot the SON of man
There will be no sacrfice for sins for that one . But the gift is free , it is of GOD and of the LAMB
The time to remind all of the dire necessity to BELEIVE ON HIM , IS right now .
All that was required to be saved , justified , reconciled JESUS has done .
Come and recieve of the free gift of GOD the gift of everlasting life , IN CHRIST JESUS . Time to remind all
that it is T IME to beleive on HIM , while there still be time to do so .

Yes , paul suffered persecutions at the hands of men
for the spreading of the gospel .
For the sakes of the peoples who did need to hear it and beleive . For there is no salvation
outside of CHRIST and in order to be saved ONE must BELEIVE ON HIM .

What is your point in context to the scripture I posted?

 

[MonoBiblical]

The schism happened because the players, decided to create new Christian denominations. The trend caught on and now we have 49,000 different Christian denominations.

The problem with denominations, is they all departed from the Church which the Lord Jesus established and continues to build to this very day. The One true Church is the Body of Christ, His Body is not divided into 49,000 bitterly opposed denominations. No He only has One Body.

At least, you didn't say Rome is always true.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not sure where Hahn and Bergsma stand on it, candidly, though Hahn sounds agreeable with Jerome in Hail Holy Queen. If you learn more specifically, please share, would love to hear their takes on this passage specifically.

I cannot find anything re John 19:25 from either Bergsma or Hahn.
It seems this is not an important topic and is not commented upon.

I have the new St. Ignatius study bible with commentary by Hahn.
Nothing on John 19:25 !

However, I read different versions and the few that make it very clear go with 3 Marys at the foot of the cross.
The following took the effort to make it very clear:
NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
KING JAMES VERSION
CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION
GOD'S WORD
THE NEW TESTAMENT...A TRANSLATION

I feel comfortable with 3.
Also the grammar (commas) does favor 3.

Mary the wife of Clopas is describing the second Mary --- (which would be the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus).

 

[amigo de christo]

What is your point in context to the scripture I posted?

Just reminders my friend .
Just reminders .
We are in the greatest hour of rebellion that has come within even christendom .
I am watching a peoples that year by year , the longer they sit in them sold out ecuminecal churches
grow only harder and harder against the very truth by which they could have been saved .
I am watching a deep hatred increase against the very Words of GOD
that get in the way of their sins .
THEY do not WANT THAT GOD ANY LONGER . OUT with THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL , say they , and give us the
love god that is okay with our sins . I could sure use some help contending for the true faith my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

I cannot find anything re John 19:25 from either Bergsma or Hahn.
It seems this is not an important topic and is not commented upon.

I have the new St. Ignatius study bible with commentary by Hahn.
Nothing on John 19:25 !

However, I read different versions and the few that make it very clear go with 3 Marys at the foot of the cross.
The following took the effort to make it very clear:
NEW LIVING TRANSLATION
KING JAMES VERSION
CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION
GOD'S WORD
THE NEW TESTAMENT...A TRANSLATION

I feel comfortable with 3.
Also the grammar (commas) does favor 3.

Mary the wife of Clopas is describing the second Mary --- (which would be the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus).

I always notice that it seems just about every denomination and realm within christendom
always has their books and their scholars and even t heir greek , heremunetics , exegis and who knows what other words
they use to sound wise .
But you wanna know what else i notice , HOW come their books contradict each others book
and M ORE SO why do it contradict even THE VERY BIBLE .
I have one book for us all and its known and called THE HOLY B IBLE .
And we darn sure dont need to be sitting under these scholars and their study books .
Beleive me GOD can reveal as we need to know and to learn . Be on gaurd
for their books are always twisted to fit their own place and own men . just saying . i see it a lot . Bible time .

 

[amigo de christo]

At least, you didn't say Rome is always true.

Believe me , you do not want to hear my describe that place
NOR many other denominations within the protestant realm .
What we have here , in todays generation is a serious failure to communicate .
The only communication many seem to want
the only unity so many are now in love with
COMETH OF THE HARLOT to bring ALL HER CHILDREN HOME TO MAMA .
Not this sheep . I expose A HARLOT and harlots . JESUS for the sheep my friend .
The bible be our book . THE SPIRIT be our guide and LET GOD be t rue but every man a liar .
HIS WORDS BE TRUE . and any man , woman , child , donkey , angel
tree , etc that speaks contrary TO HIS WORDS
well lets just say IT WONT BE HEEDED BY THE SHEEP . I sure hope that encouraged you big time my friend .