Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Marvelloustime]

Do I understand everything in the bible . No .
However even when i dont understand something
IF a man comes along and teaches me something about what i did not understand
DID YOU KNOW i can still percieve if he is telling me a LIE . OH YES .
Any guesses on why that might be . GOD is with the sheep .
The problem with many , however is they RUN to men, they sit under whatever teacher tickles their fancy .
AND THAT IS A MAJOR problem my friend .
SO while its true i do not UNDERSTAN D IT ALL
What GOD has taught me in what i have read and do read , ITS A GEM i shall hold onto .
FOR GOD has kept me safe . AND I TRUST IN HE WHO KNOWS ALL and UNDERSTANDS ALL .
HE will teach me as i need to know and if or when i need to know .
You would marvel , however at how easy things would come together IF WE actually DID read it for ourselves .
You would marvel at how simple things can and would have come together .

@amigo de christo

 

[GodsGrace]

King james spells that out too . three .

Right.
The KJV sounded more like 3.
The Beraen study Bible sounded more like 4.

And, here's another reason it MUST be three:
Christmas is coming up soon.
This is a popular desert in Italy:



Too bad I didn't think of it !!
LOL

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL
This is what the discussion was about.
It might be 3.
It might be 4.

Of course it's not important...which was also stated.

But,,,looks like you hit the nail on the head...
Three.

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Have you read in acts about this john .
The one whose surname was mark .
It says His mothers name is mary . I wonder if that is the apostel john
Cause he took mary into his own house . Mother behold your Son and to john he then said behold your mother .
And from that day he took mary into his own house .
But in acts i notice one named JOHN
and his mother too is named mary . I wonder if it is the same one .

 

[GodsGrace]

Have you read in acts about this john .
The one whose surname was mark .
It says His mothers name is mary . I wonder if that is the apostel john
Cause he took mary into his own house . Mother behold your Son and to john he then said behold your mother .
And from that day he took mary into his own house .
But in acts i notice one named JOHN
and his mother too is named mary . I wonder if it is the same one .

Oh no!
Another brain teaser!
And how many Marys washed Jesus' feet with perfume?
Was it the same Mary in both gospels or a different one??
Too late here for this hard-thinking.
Personally, I don't know how we could be sure.
Could that John be the Mark that wrote the gospel?
And on that note,,,I bid you a good night.

 

[rvmb]

Thank you for pointing this out, I should have included it with my reply to those who hold to the unbiblical version of the gospel, where salvation is granted by God at the end of a faithful believers life. They believe that, nobody can be sure of their salvation until they die and then they receive their reward for their good works and keeping the law and remaining faithful to the end.

That version of the gospel, may seem right to man, but we see that Gods Word says in Proverbs 14:12, "There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death".

The true gospel message is hard to accept, most professing Christians reject it because it leaves them nothing to boast about, all the glory in salvation goes to God.

"There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death".
The true gospel message is hard to accept""
Not sure if I've understood you correctly
Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the Gospel that Christ through Paul taught that applies to believers today
Do you disagree, if so, why ?

 

[Ezra]

the elect to also obtain salvation?

who do you say the elect ?

 

[JLB]

who do you say the elect ?

The Jews.

 

[Ezra]

The Jews.in the o.t the elect is those truly saved.. unless your calvinist then you have to be the chosen

 

[rvmb]

Anyone can believe. Doing the will of the father in heaven is more than believing.

James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Do your verses confirm the teachings of Christ through Paul re how believers today are saved/justified/sealed ?
Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 >> Titu 3:5, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1

 

[Jay Ross]

^^^^ Yes

^^^^^^^ post #3 on the first page.

So many words said since then when all that was needed to answer the question in the Thread title is simple just "YES."

 

[Christian Soldier]

Are you Orthodox?

No, I'm a Christian. I'm a member of the Body of Christ "The Church". There are no denominations, nationalities or sexes in the Body of Christ. We are independent of any earthly authority, our only Authority is the LORD.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Let's check and see what Jesus taught about this.

• but that the world through Him might be saved.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. John 3:16-17


Jesus is teaching us that God desires for all the people of the world to be saved.


Why are you denying this truth?

I'm not denying the scriptures, but I am refuting your interpretation of them. I asked you to show me a single verse to support your unbiblical opinion that God sent His Son to save the whole world. You keep failing to present any evidence to support your unbiblical opinion.

None of the verse you refer to say that God sent His Son to save the "whole world", you just made that up

 

[Christian Soldier]

What is not true about what Paul is saying here in this verse?


Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:10


Are you disagreeing that the Holy Spirit through Paul is saying He wants the elect to also obtain salvation?

Yes I disagree with your interpretation of what Paul was saying. The Holy Spirit doesn't need Paul to save Gods elect, God saves His elect regardless of what Paul or anyone else does or says

 

[Ezra]

to support your unbiblical opinion that God sent His Son to save the whole world.

what about your claim? john 3:17 but the world through him be saved /might 2nd peter not willing ANY should perish .he came to seek and save the Lost .. will everyone be saved ? no can they ? yes if they would accept him in to their heart

 

[Christian Soldier]

"There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death".
The true gospel message is hard to accept""
Not sure if I've understood you correctly
Eph 1:13, 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the Gospel that Christ through Paul taught that applies to believers today
Do you disagree, if so, why ?

I don't have any private views or opinions, about anything in the Bible. God never called anyone to put Him on trial, and look for faults or lies or false doctrines or false promises. Those who do that are an abomination in His sight and Gods wrath abides upon them.

I simply live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, I have never questioned a single thing he has said. I simply trusty and obey Him, and His Spirit leads me into all truth.

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect you might be holding on to a false gospel. You seem to be suggesting that God lied when He said that salvation is "by grace". I get the sense that you follow the teaching of Jacob Arminius, who taught a false "saved by works" version of the gospel.

Please reveal which of the two you believe, and bare in mind that those scriptures which you referred to, were all exhortations for saved people. None of them spoke about some silly offer of salvation, there was no alter call or invitation in them. You interpreted them as such, ,in a vein attempt to justify your "saved by works false gospel".

 

[Ezra]

I don't have any private views or opinions, about anything in the Bible. God never called anyone to put Him on trial, and look for faults or lies or false doctrines or false promises. Those who do that are an abomination in His sight and Gods wrath abides upon them.

I simply live by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God, I have never questioned a single thing he has said. I simply trusty and obey Him, and His Spirit leads me into all truth.

I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect you might be holding on to a false gospel. You seem to be suggesting that God lied when He said that salvation is "by grace". I get the sense that you follow the teaching of Jacob Arminius, who taught a false "saved by works" version of the gospel.

Please reveal which of the two you believe, and bare in mind that those scriptures which you referred to, were all exhortations for saved people. None of them spoke about some silly offer of salvation, there was no alter call or invitation in them. You interpreted them as such, ,in a vein attempt to justify your "saved by works false gospel".

dont hurt your arm patting your self on the back

 

[Christian Soldier]

what about your claim? john 3:17 but the world through him be saved /might 2nd peter not willing ANY should perish .he came to seek and save the Lost .. will everyone be saved ? no can they ? yes if they would accept him in to their heart

That's a desperate attempt to defend your false universalism idea. Sorry to pour cold water all over this heretical idea, but it was debunked by the Church as soon as it reared up it's ugly head 1900 years ago.

I'm sending you to the back of the cue, with the rest of those who try to twist what God has said. He said "world" and you say "whole world". Why do you feel the need to add to what God has said, don't you know that he casts those who do this into the lake of fire.

 

[Christian Soldier]

dont hurt your arm patting your self on the back

Be careful how you speak to an elect Saint of God. You will have to give an account for every idle word you speak

 

[Marvelloustime]

Have you read in acts about this john .
The one whose surname was mark .
It says His mothers name is mary . I wonder if that is the apostel john
Cause he took mary into his own house . Mother behold your Son and to john he then said behold your mother .
And from that day he took mary into his own house .
But in acts i notice one named JOHN
and his mother too is named mary . I wonder if it is the same one .

@amigo de christo
My middle name is Mary.
It wasn’t me though, haha.

 

[PinSeeker]

Again, for those reading this post, please do your diligence before believing these myths.

For a no-nonsense understanding of Geneva’s legal system in Calvin’s day, look up legal historian John Witte Jr. (his site is under his full name). If you search for “CHURCH, STATE, AND FAMILY IN JOHN CALVIN’S GENEVA: Domestic Disputes and Sex Crimes in Geneva’s Consistory and Council John Witte, Jr.” you should find his paper. I quote from it below.

In short: Geneva was a republic with four elected councils that drafted, ratified, and enforced the laws. Calvin was a pastor, not a magistrate. He sat on the Consistory, which had no formal legal power and had to refer cases to the Small Council. That council sometimes accepted his recommendations and sometimes rejected them- they were not his “fanboys,” to put it bluntly.

Witte notes that in difficult cases the Small Council might ask the Consistory for more fact-finding or advice. Calvin was often sent to present those recommendations, and sometimes he went on his own initiative to urge clearer laws or more equitable treatment. But he was “sometimes accommodated, sometimes rebuffed”... hardly a dictator holding a dagger over elected officials.

I’m done with this thread, but I’d really encourage anyone interested to read the history before latching onto dogmatic slogans just because they’re confidently stated.

So, in short, what you are and this article is saying here is that John Calvin closely adhered to Paul's exhortations in Romans 13 to "be subject to the governing authorities..." and, even in the case of Servetus, exhorted others to do the same... You know, as a pastor should... Hmmm.... <smile> Of course, this is not to say that we should never speak against government atrocities or disagree with governmental policies... or that civil activism against said policies is never called for.

Thank you for your words.

Grace and peace to you, Sir.