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Apostle Paul's Temple of God
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1. You
2. The Reformation's Reformers, whom God raised up to liberate His True Church from the spiritual darkness and oppression of the man of sin.
Need a hint?
Time again to go over Christ's Witness about the coming Antichrist/man of sin/false Messiah, that He warned the Church about for the end, per His Olivet discourse...
Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
I'm going to assume the majority reading this have had at least some level of English grammar. In the above Jesus was speaking of a SINGULAR "Christ", or "Christ" in plural?? Which is it above in red? That is about a SINGULAR "Christ". A... false one imitating Christ that the deceived will be saying is here, or there.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
In the above, in red, is that "false Christs" in the PLURAL about many Christs, or is it singular? Per the KJV translation it is plural. But... per the Greek word pseudo-christos, made up to two Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which means Christ, it can be SINGULAR. Greek christoi is definitely plural in the Greek, but christos, not always. Look how Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated that Greek pseudochristos...
NT:5580
pseudochristos (psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:
KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Dr. James Strong defined that pseudochristos as being SINGULAR TENSE, about 'a spurious Messiah'. Spurious means false. The terms Christ and Messiah are interchangeable English translations from the Hebrew of The Old Testament where the original prophecies about Messiah originated.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
Jesus repeats this revelation about the coming of a singular false-Christ, which when He does that repeat in His Word, it is for emphasis, and that means His servants are to pay special attention to this topic.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV
In the above phrases in red, are they in the SINGULAR TENSE about a single Christ, or in the plural tense about many Christs? Jesus spoke that in the SINGULAR TENSE, about a specific false-Christ. The "He" is capitalized above because I'm using the Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger's The Companion Bible that has a KJV in it. That increases the fact that Lord Jesus was speaking of a SINGULAR false-Messiah, and not the idea of many Christs like the KJV translators made plural in verse 24 above.
What do you think that "secret chambers" is referring to?
That "secret chambers" is pointing to that coming spurious Messiah sitting in the temple in Jerusalem, a stone temple, the future 3rd temple today's ultra-orthodox Jews plan to build in Jerusalem. Lord Jesus is saying that if someone comes up to us and says something like that, "behold, He is in the secret chambers", Jesus said do NOT believe it. Why? Because that will be a FALSE Messiah, not our TRUE LORD Jesus Christ.
And that is the same revelation which Apostle Paul was revealing in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the coming of the "man of sin" to sit in the "temple of God" in Jerusalem with exalting himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. And that false one will work those same great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world with, those miracles being so powerful in deception, that IF it were possible (it's not), it would deceive even Christ's very elect.
Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
I'm going to assume the majority reading this have had at least some level of English grammar. In the above Jesus was speaking of a SINGULAR "Christ", or "Christ" in plural?? Which is it above in red? That is about a SINGULAR "Christ". A... false one imitating Christ that the deceived will be saying is here, or there.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
In the above, in red, is that "false Christs" in the PLURAL about many Christs, or is it singular? Per the KJV translation it is plural. But... per the Greek word pseudo-christos, made up to two Greek words, pseudo which means false, and christos which means Christ, it can be SINGULAR. Greek christoi is definitely plural in the Greek, but christos, not always. Look how Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance translated that Greek pseudochristos...
NT:5580
pseudochristos (psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:
KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Dr. James Strong defined that pseudochristos as being SINGULAR TENSE, about 'a spurious Messiah'. Spurious means false. The terms Christ and Messiah are interchangeable English translations from the Hebrew of The Old Testament where the original prophecies about Messiah originated.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
Jesus repeats this revelation about the coming of a singular false-Christ, which when He does that repeat in His Word, it is for emphasis, and that means His servants are to pay special attention to this topic.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV
In the above phrases in red, are they in the SINGULAR TENSE about a single Christ, or in the plural tense about many Christs? Jesus spoke that in the SINGULAR TENSE, about a specific false-Christ. The "He" is capitalized above because I'm using the Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger's The Companion Bible that has a KJV in it. That increases the fact that Lord Jesus was speaking of a SINGULAR false-Messiah, and not the idea of many Christs like the KJV translators made plural in verse 24 above.
What do you think that "secret chambers" is referring to?
That "secret chambers" is pointing to that coming spurious Messiah sitting in the temple in Jerusalem, a stone temple, the future 3rd temple today's ultra-orthodox Jews plan to build in Jerusalem. Lord Jesus is saying that if someone comes up to us and says something like that, "behold, He is in the secret chambers", Jesus said do NOT believe it. Why? Because that will be a FALSE Messiah, not our TRUE LORD Jesus Christ.
And that is the same revelation which Apostle Paul was revealing in 2 Thessalonians 2 about the coming of the "man of sin" to sit in the "temple of God" in Jerusalem with exalting himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped. And that false one will work those same great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world with, those miracles being so powerful in deception, that IF it were possible (it's not), it would deceive even Christ's very elect.
Whom to believe?
1. You
2. The Reformation's Reformers, whom God raised up to liberate His True Church from the spiritual darkness and oppression of the man of sin.
Need a hint?
Today's followers of the old Reformation doctrine with assigning a Catholic pope as the Antichrist is an old 16th century doctrine that did not pan out.
Those who keep pushing that FAILED doctrine are either stubborn hard-liners that refuse further Bible study by the help of The Holy Spirit, or they are FALSE JEWS that USE the doctrine to work against Christ Jesus.
You choose which brethren in Christ.
The papacy is overjoyed to have papists defend it.
Its Jesuits also originated the futurism to which deluded dispensationalists subscribe.
What a wonderful heritage to be a part of.
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Complete balderdash.
Matthew 24:24 Greek
5580 [e]
pseudochristoi
ψευδόχριστοι
false Christs
N-NMP
The word is plural in both the Greek ("N-NMP" where "P" denotes plural) and the English ("false Christs").
Strong doesn't contradict himself. His Greek and English are immeasurably better than yours.
He merely confirms that the plural is comprised of multiple instances of the singular.
The remainder of the verse confirms the plural as well: "...they shall deceive the very elect."
Who are "they"?
"False Christs" (plural) and "false prophets" (also plural).
If the word is singular, it would be translated "a false Christ" in English, and identified as "N-NMS" where "S" denotes singular, in Greek. But it's not.
Every English Bible version translates the word as "Christs" plural, or equivalent.
You'll have to do better.
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I am not a Catholic, nor a papist, so quit your stupid slander labeling, because you are committing the sin of bearing false witness by doing that.
I am not a Futurist nor a Dispensationalist, nor any... of men's seminary category 'tethers' that try to box a believer into a primitive level of thought and basically into shackles of this world. You won't have gone through their full list of silly categories before Jesus returns.
What a wonderful heritage to be a part of.
Now that statement reveals Biblical illiteracy in God's written Word. Your tirades against those who reveal actual BIBLE PROPHECY FOR THE END, as I have been doing about the "temple of God" Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2 being an actual stone temple in Jerusalem that will be built by the orthodox unbelieving Jews, is how your Biblical ignorance shows.
David in NJ
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Heaven to @Davy = The Temple of God is MAN
All of Mankind were created to be God's Temple with CHRIST as the Cornerstone and the Capstone.
The LORD Jesus Christ and the Baptism of the HOLY SPIRIT fulfills Man as the Design/Plan of GOD for His Temple
The Mark of the Beast fulfills the prophecy of "Satan standing in the Temple of God"
What a bunch of MALARKEY FOOLISH TALK the above is against the Bible prophecies for Jerusalem at the end of this world! It also is the sin of bearing false witness! not against me, but against God in HIS WORD.
The "temple of God" Apostle Paul mentioned in 2 Thess.2:4 is about a LITERAL STONE JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM BUILT BY THE ORTHODOX JEWS. As of the past few decades, an Ultra-orthodox group of religious Jews in Jerusalem have already had the cornerstone of their new 3rd temple cut, and they have tried... to even place it upon the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, but were stopped by the Internationalist Jews who gave the Arabs control of the Temple Mount! The number of unbelieving Jews that side with that Ultra-orthodox group of Jews who are preparing to build a 3rd Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem is increasing. And even some of the Islamic clerics have agreed that the Jews in past history had a temple standing at the Temple Mount in the past, and have NO problem with the Jews building a new one there.
Here's what happened the last time the Jews tried it.
Stock up on popcorn.
Next time will be quite a show.
Sozomen (ca. A.D.375-447)
"Ecclesiastical History"
Book V, Chapter XXII
Though the emperor [Julian the Apostate] hated and oppressed the Christians, he manifested benevolence and humanity towards the Jews. He wrote to the Jewish patriarchs and leaders, as well as to the people, requesting them to pray for him, and for the prosperity of the empire. In taking this step he was not actuated, I am convinced, by any respect for their religion; for he was aware that it is, so to speak, the mother of the Christian religion, and he knew that both religions rest upon the authority of the patriarchs and the prophets; but he thought to grieve the Christians by favoring the Jews, who are their most inveterate enemies. But perhaps he also calculated upon persuading the Jews to embrace paganism and sacrifices; for they were only acquainted with the mere letter of Scripture, and could not, like the Christians and a few of the wisest among the Hebrews, discern the hidden meaning.
Events proved that this was his real motive; for he sent for some of the chiefs of the race and exhorted them to return to the observance of the laws of Moses and the customs of their fathers. On their replying that because the temple in Jerusalem was overturned, it was neither lawful nor ancestral to do this in another place than the metropolis out of which they had been cast, he gave them public money, commanded them to rebuild the temple, and to practice the cult similar to that of their ancestors, by sacrificing after the ancient way. The Jews entered upon the undertaking, without reflecting that, according to the prediction of the holy prophets, it could not be accomplished. They sought for the most skillful artisans, collected materials, cleared the ground, and entered so earnestly upon the task, that even the women carried heaps of earth, and brought their necklaces and other female ornaments towards defraying the expense. The emperor, the other pagans, and all the Jews, regarded every other undertaking as secondary in importance to this. Although the pagans were not well-disposed towards the Jews, yet they assisted them in this enterprise, because they reckoned upon its ultimate success, and hoped by this means to falsify the prophecies of Christ. Besides this motive, the Jews themselves were impelled by the consideration that the time had arrived for rebuilding their temple. When they had removed the ruins of the former building, they dug up the ground and cleared away its foundation; it is said that on the following day when they were about to lay the first foundation, a great earthquake occurred, and by the violent agitation of the earth, stones were thrown up from the depths, by which those of the Jews who were engaged in the work were wounded, as likewise those who were merely looking on. The houses and public porticos, near the site of the temple, in which they had diverted themselves, were suddenly thrown down; many were caught thereby, some perished immediately, others were found half dead and mutilated of hands or legs, others were injured in other parts of the body. When God caused the earthquake to cease, the workmen who survived again returned to their task, partly because such was the edict of the emperor, and partly because they were themselves interested in the undertaking. Men often, in endeavoring to gratify their own passions, seek what is injurious to them, reject what would be truly advantageous, and are deluded-by the idea that nothing is really useful except what is agreeable to them. When once led astray by this error, they are no longer able to act in a manner conducive to their own interests, or to take warning by the calamities which are visited upon them.
The Jews, I believe, were just in this state; for, instead of regarding this unexpected earthquake as a manifest indication that God was opposed to the re-erection of their temple, they proceeded to recommence the work. But all parties relate, that they had scarcely returned to the undertaking, when fire burst suddenly from the foundations of the temple, and consumed several of the workmen.
This fact is fearlessly stated, and believed by all; the only discrepancy in the narrative is that some maintain that flame burst from the interior of the temple, as the workmen were striving to force an entrance, while others say that the fire proceeded directly from the earth. In whichever way the phenomenon might have occurred, it is equally wonderful. A more tangible and still more extraordinary prodigy ensued; suddenly the sign of the cross appeared spontaneously on the garments of the persons engaged in the undertaking. These crosses were disposed like stars, and appeared the work of art. Many were hence led to confess that Christ is God, and that the rebuilding of the temple was not pleasing to Him; others presented themselves in the church, were initiated, and besought Christ, with hymns and supplications, to pardon their transgression. If any one does not feel disposed to believe my narrative, let him go and be convinced by those who heard the facts I have related from the eyewitnesses of them, for they are still alive. Let him inquire, also, of the Jews and pagans who left the work in an incomplete state, or who, to speak more accurately, were able to commence it.
Those in Christ Jesus do NOT need the Jew's slant on religious history.
I could post VOLUMES of the writings of the Church fathers that would overwhelm the computer servers here, and they would prove that Apostle Paul was indeed speaking of a LITERAL Jewish stone temple in 2 Thess.2:4.
"2 Thessalonians 2:4
The temple of God ... that he is God. 'He will reign a time, times, and half a time' (Dan 7:25) - i.e., three and a half years-and sit in the temple at Jerusalem (Ezek 37:26; 41; 42:1-44:31); 'then the Lord shall come from heaven and cast him into the lake of fire, and bring to the saints the times of their reigning, the seventh day of hallowed rest, and give to Abraham the promised inheritance' (Irenaeus, 'Adver. Haer.,' v. 30. 4).
(from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1997-2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)"
David in NJ
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Ignorance of Scripture is the downfall of many!!!
Of which you have NO immunity when you throw false accusations and trust in your own understanding.
1 Corinthians 6:15-20
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her?
For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.” But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
Or do you( @Davy ) not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
For you were Bought at a Price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
Why would you choose to speak against God's TRUTH = "Thy word is Truth"
You are being SILLY!
What kind of temple is being spoken of here by Lord Jesus Christ in the below verse??
Matt 23:16-17
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
KJV
And what kind... of temple was Apostle Paul speaking of below?
1 Cor 3:16-17
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
KJV
Obviously, Apostle Paul was NOT speaking of a literal stone temple in the above verse. But Jesus was speaking of a literal stone temple of the Jews in the verse I quoted from Him.
So what's YOUR story? Are you really so Biblically illiterate that you failed to recognize there are TWO TYPES OF TEMPLES written of in God's Word The Bible??
David in NJ
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Oh boy!!! = you sure lack the love and peace of the Holy Spirit
OBVIOUS
The distinction between the temporary temple built by men's hands and the Heavenly Temple that Walked this earth = Immanuel, God with us
Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Joshua into the land possessed by the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David, who found favor before God and asked to find a dwelling for the God of Jacob. But Solomon built Him a house.
“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
Has My hand not made all these things?’
Obviously you flunked kindergarten English.
Sozomen was a Christian historian.
Irenaeus didn't see this. It appeared centuries after him.
- “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
- “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
- “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.
Now it is obvious. You are NOT a TRUE CHRISTIAN, but a MOCKER of God's written Word, and have NO intention of staying in it. Therefore, I have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE AN APOSTATE AGAINST CHRIST JESUS.
David in NJ
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"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
David in NJ
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AWESOME
Thank You for posting as this PROVES.....................do you know what it PROVES???
Obviously you flunked kindergarten English.
Sozomen was a Christian historian.
That's all the resource you have, OUTSIDE THE BIBLE SUPPOSITIONAL evidence.
When you should... have addressed the actual Bible prophecies involving the REQUIREMENT of a standing Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem for the "abomination of desolation" prophecy Jesus foretold for the end from the Book of Daniel.
It proves that God will not countenance a third physical temple.
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