Refuting Losing Salvation! (A)

[Davy]

I can't convince someone if the Gospel of Jesus. That's the job of the Father to lead to righteous understanding.

Your idea are kind of... just 'floating' now, you're beginning to not make sense.

God didn't give us His 'written' Word just to put upon a shelf and never open and study. It is His Personal Letter to the believer. So who would just put a letter someone wrote to them on a shelf never to open it to see what it says?

Someone who is like the guy on his rooftop in a flood waiting to be saved, and 3 methods are sent to him to get out of there and he just says, I believe God will save me, but then the flood overcomes him and in heaven he asks why God didn't save him, and he was told by God that He sent him 3 ways to escape that flood, but he wouldn't heed.

Well, that's the kind of excuse some folks try to make for not opening up His Word in Bible study. It won't work for those who are able. And this applies to all those who are 'called' only.

But for those who are called AND 'chosen', those God will directly intervene with, and bring them into His service, and that whether they like it or not. He already owns His chosen elect.

So when someone starts to claim that the only believers are those selected by God and His Christ, they forget to study John 17 where Jesus showed the difference between the 'called' only vs. His chosen The Father owned beforehand and gave to Lord Jesus. Like Jesus said, for many are called but few are chosen.

The moment someone insists Salvation isn't eternal,they show they don't know that.

And who... suggested that? Are you hearing voices are something?

When they insist they have to work to keep themselves secure,they're insisting they are still in the flesh. Because they are insisting their consciousness of acquisition, is still in charge.

So if works won't affect one's Salvation, then why did Lord Jesus show in Matt.7 that not all who say, "Lord, lord..." with many wonderful works in Christ, and when He returns they shall not enter into the Kingdom, because they worked "iniquity"? And what about the "unprofitable servant" of Matt.25 who did nothing with the talent he was given, and was cast to the "outer darkness" with the wicked? And what about the "five foolish virgins" who didn't carry a spare vessel of the OIL when waiting for the Bridegroom, and thus found Christ having shut the door on them after they went to try and buy the Oil at the market?

What Lord Jesus showed by that is that one's WORKS CAN AFFECT THEIR SALVATION. It simply depends on the TYPE OF WORKS.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Your idea are kind of... just 'floating' now, you're beginning to not make sense.

You don't accept the Gospel of Eternal Irrevocable Salvation as God's word , seal,and eternal covenant.

You are not qualified to claim anyone doesn't make sense when you contradict Christ.

You,and others here like you,are trying to lead Gods chosen away from the truth Jesus died to guarantee as truth forever.

 

[Davy]

You don't accept the Gospel of Eternal Irrevocable Salvation as God's word , seal,and eternal covenant.

You are not qualified to claim anyone doesn't make sense when you contradict Christ.

You,and others here like you,are trying to lead Gods chosen away from the truth Jesus died to guarantee as truth forever.

You of course are a LIAR because of your saying those above statements. I presented valid Bible Scripture to you of an example of works that can cause Christ to REJECT the believer, and you now want to MOCK ME just for SHOWING YOU?

You are such a HYPOCRITE.


Well BRETHREN IN CHRIST, looks like I'm getting back to filling up my old IGNORE LIST.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

You of course are a LIAR because of your saying those above statements. I presented valid Bible Scripture to you of an example of works that can cause Christ to REJECT the believer, and you now want to MOCK ME just for SHOWING YOU?

You are such a HYPOCRITE.


Well BRETHREN IN CHRIST, looks like I'm getting back to filling up my old IGNORE LIST.

You post scripture you warp to fit your error.
Good. I'm happy to be ignored by a heretical blasphemer who labels the Gospel a lie.

You might realize the reason you have a full ignore list. You're wrong and your pride won't accept the truth of God in Christ.

Playfully God's plan is to wake you up before you are on His ignore list.

 

[Netchaplain]

Everyone has been saved on behalf of Christ Jesus, from their sins, satan, death, and hell.

Jesus paid for the sins of all people once and for all. He took care of all the other things too, such as death, hell, and satan.

However, it seems to be the contention that not everyone is "saved to" the Kingdom of Heaven.

Hi Matt, and thanks for your reply! Just wanted to share some Scripture: Mar 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Jesus said in Mat 7:13,14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

This means when this life is over, the number those who choose God will be "few" in comparison to the numbers of the lost!

God bless your Family Brother

 

[Davy]

Hi Matt, and thanks for your reply! Just wanted to share some Scripture: Mar 16:16, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Jesus said in Mat 7:13,14, "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

This means when this life is over, the number those who choose God will be "few" in comparison to the numbers of the lost!

God bless your Family Brother

And one of the main reasons why it will be "narrow" regarding our days especially, is because of how many congregations are wrongly being prepared to accept the 1st supernatural Messiah that shows up in Jerusalem as The Christ. It will be an imposter, that 1st one will be.

This specifically is the warning Lord Jesus was pointing to the Luke 17 idea of two in the field, one TAKEN, and the other left behind. The one TAKEN Jesus said is about wheresoever the 'carcase' is, that's where the fowls will be gathered together. That idea of being TAKEN originates from the Book of Isaiah 28 of how God's written Word to the haughty is line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, so they might be snared and TAKEN. It means without true Bible study line upon line, God's warnings will be missed, and one will easily fall into deception by the coming false-Messiah.

 

[Paul Christensen]

The question is when does this "forever regeneration" take place?

The moment the person genuinely embraces Christ as his total Saviour, fulfilling the promise in Ephesians: "By grace I am saved, not of myself, but is the gift of God, not of works lest I should boast in them." From that point, the newly saved person becomes Christ's workmanship and through the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit puts him in the road to developing sanctification that progresses through the rest of his life.

 

[Moontan13]

But the Prophet Ezekiel suggested that it was possible for a righteous man to lose his salvation and not live but die the second death simply by turning away from God.

There are many who believe that they are righteous but, even though they can quote many scriptures to support their POV, there heart displays a very different future outcome.

 

[Moontan13]

I was raised in a Godly home and drifted away. I never proclaimed anger toward God, I didn't stop believing. When my wife of 27 years died,, It was like "back into the fold with you mister!" Then another calamity happened. If any of you have played a role playing game, they let you set the difficulty from Easy to Hard. Some games let you select "Tourist" where you take no damage, but still have to fight your way through. I got tested on tourist mode. While I've never felt un-saved, recently I've become aware that I've been lacking in Repentance. My query into "what do I do now?" came back with "fix what's wrong". The first thing to come to mind was my collection of books, movies and music CDs. There are many I would not want people to see.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I was raised in a Godly home and drifted away. I never proclaimed anger toward God, I didn't stop believing. When my wife of 27 years died,, It was like "back into the fold with you mister!" Then another calamity happened. If any of you have played a role playing game, they let you set the difficulty from Easy to Hard. Some games let you select "Tourist" where you take no damage, but still have to fight your way through. I got tested on tourist mode. While I've never felt un-saved, recently I've become aware that I've been lacking in Repentance. My query into "what do I do now?" came back with "fix what's wrong". The first thing to come to mind was my collection of books, movies and music CDs. There are many I would not want people to see.

I also cleared my house of everything that is unclean or offensive. It was as though I took a heavy burden off my back.

In Job 31:1 Job declares, "I have made a covenant with my eyes; Why then should I look upon a young woman?".

I found encouragement in this verse, so I stopped watching Hollywood movies or anything that promotes fornication, drug abuse, riotous or rebellious living etc. I also got rid of my sports cars, as they were robbing me of precious time.

I'm still slashing and burning unprofitable relationships and anything else that hinders me from serving the Lord.

May the Lord grant you repentance, as only He can. My story is the same as the Prodigal Son's, and even King David's.

The Bible shows God granted King David repentance and forgiveness for his sins (adultery with Bathsheba and arranging Uriah's death), though he still faced severe, lasting consequences for his actions, demonstrating both God's mercy and the gravity of sin, as seen in 2 Samuel 12 and Psalms like 51.

I still bare the spiritual scars of sin, it's as though God burned up my works, but He didn't burn me. I still posses the greatest treasure in the universe, that being a salvation which nothing can cause me to lose. I know that God is the Author and Finisher of my salvation, if it was left up to me, I would lose it very quickly.

 

[Moontan13]

There was a time when I heard Steven Tyler and Howard Stern, and they said things about Christianity that had me sweep all my Aerosmith CDs straight into the trash, no regrets. I appreciate your reply. I've got some sorting to do.

 

[Davy]

The moment the person genuinely embraces Christ as his total Saviour, fulfilling the promise in Ephesians: "By grace I am saved, not of myself, but is the gift of God, not of works lest I should boast in them." From that point, the newly saved person becomes Christ's workmanship and through the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit puts him in the road to developing sanctification that progresses through the rest of his life.

As long as they REMAIN in the Faith, that is, and do not fall away.

My point above just... isn't very popular, but is repeated throughout The New Testament Scriptures, even by Lord Jesus Himself (Matt.7; Matt.25).