Christians who hate Israel

[amigo de christo]

Have you noticed that we who obey Matthew 4:4 are being accused of "adding to God's words"

YET , these same people will deny what God has Spoken and come up with their own theories...................

why david that is a real g ood question . oh yes by grace i do notice this .
But here is another real good question .
HAVE YOU NOTICED the sheep DONT HEED A WORD ONE OUTTA THEY MOUTHS .
CAUSE JESUS REALLY DOES have the sheep and greater IS HE IN US than he that is in the world .
WE have overcome them .
SO then HE who beleives JESUS IS THE CHRIST has overcome .
Unfortunately many follow another jesus created of men for to control this people
and get rich doing so . Talk about a delusion .

 

[amigo de christo]

Have you noticed that we who obey Matthew 4:4 are being accused of "adding to God's words"

YET , these same people will deny what God has Spoken and come up with their own theories...................

sheep dont feed on rotted turds but upon the words ...................OF GOD ALL MIGHTY .
And here is the defintion of a turd .
ANYTHING that contradicts the words of GOD ALL MIGHTY . its like a big stink the nose of a lamb of GOD .
For GOD , CHRIST has given them WHOLE NEW NOSTRILS and the only thing lovely to them nostrils
to those eyes , to that tongue , IS THE TRUTH .
IS THE TRUTH .
IS THE TRUTH .
IS THE TRUTH .
And now a word
a friendly reminder
EVERY WORD OF GOD IS THE TRUTH . AS HE IS TRUTH , HIS WORD IS T RUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH
so are HIS WORDS TRUTH .
MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT and they are LIFE . only it darn sure seems many love not all HIS WORDS
but rather men that twist them .
THOSE NOSTRILS are FLESHLY , them ears but carved out and looking real but HEARS NOT
eyes that look real , BUT SEE NOT
IF TRUTH IS twisted , that means ITS HATED
and if TRUTH be hated that MEANS HE WHO INSPIRED and SPOKE SUCH WORDS is HATED .
now this is not g onna go over well with this generation
who seems not to LOVE such words of truth . BUT THE SHEEP KNOW . THEY KNOW for GOD HAS SHOWN THEM
and revealed unto them , giving them new desires to Actually PLEASE GOD . not man , n ot the flesh
not self , BUT GOD . something else many seem not t oknow . But the sheep DO . THANKS BE TO GOD and TO HIS CHRIST
and the supply of HIS SPIRIT . AND they be in the scriptures loving the truth . Did i fail to say
THIS GENERATION IS IN DIRE TROUBLE and that darn sure dont exclude much of christendome either . THEY ALL IN TROUBLE .

 

[TLHKAJ]

THEN LET THEM READ BOTH PETER and PAUL .
they didnt write that the serpent beguiled them
IT was the woman and then after eating SHE beguiled the man .

Here you go ...read.

2 Corinthians 11:3
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

1 Corinthians 15:22
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”

It's not needed to add to scripture, or to ignore exactly what scripture clearly states. They both are said to have transgressed. And yet, Eve was deceived/beguiled ....Adam was WITH HER (just as the scriptures state) ....and he (willfully) took the fruit. The eyes of them both were not opened until after Adam took the fruit. Scripture attributes the fall and entrance of death on mankind to "one man" .....Adam. Read Romans 5:19. Adam disobeyed. This is not adding to scripture. Just be willing to take the Word for what it says. No theories...just scripture.

Romans 5:14-19
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

do you truly beleive that every jew will come to beleive .
Will they
And what occurs to all the jews in JESUS day and to now which have died in unbeleief .
Surely you dont think every one born jewish came to beleive .
Maybe just maybe someone messed up JUST WHO ALL OF ISRAEL truly is .
Oh it is those who BELIEVE IN JESUS all right .
But i would not cling to the flesh
but rather to THE WHO IS BORN AGAIN .
for a jew will and can
just as a gentile will and can
WAIL ON THE DAY OF THE LORD . Frankly it wont matter on that day
who had been born of the flesh a jew ,
WHAT MA TTERS IS
WHO IS BORN AGAIN . and the flesh , yeah lets just say IT cant produce THE BORN AGAIN .
I highly suspect its high time we got this people back into the bible again .
I SEE far too many isms of a great prism , only that prism is PRISON .

I don't judge God.
It will be as He wills it.
Those who judge His chosen shall be judged.

 

[Muna]

After they had eaten the fruit of the tree and became aware of their nakedness, it says

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

God calls Adam

Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. (honest answer)

Twofold question, concerning A WHO and have you eaten from that tree I commanded you not to (given what Adam just told the LORD)

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked?

Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman (IS THE WHO) whom thou gavest to be with me, (honest answer) she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. (Honest answer again) (As we see Gen 3:6) ... the woman saw... she took of the fruit ...and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. (Gen 3:7) and they knew that they were naked (his current situation)

Now the LORD questions the Woman concerning what she has done (according to the truthful testimony of Adam)

Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me (as Paul confirms in 2 Cr 11:3 that Eve was beguiled) and I did eat. (As we see in Gen 3:4) where the serpent speaks to her (Gen 3:6)... and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat (2 Cr 11:3) the woman being deceived was in the transgression (1 Ti 2:14)

Between the three, the only one the LORD did not ask what happened was the serpent, he just says to the serpent

Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed...

 

[David in NJ]

Here you go ...read.

2 Corinthians 11:3
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

1 Corinthians 15:22
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”

It's not needed to add to scripture, or to ignore exactly what scripture clearly states. They both are said to have transgressed. And yet, Eve was deceived/beguiled ....Adam was WITH HER (just as the scriptures state) ....and he (willfully) took the fruit. The eyes of them both were not opened until after Adam took the fruit. Scripture attributes the fall and entrance of death on mankind to "one man" .....Adam. Read Romans 5:19. Adam disobeyed. This is not adding to scripture. Just be willing to take the Word for what it says. No theories...just scripture.

Romans 5:14-19
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

AGREE AGREE AGREE that "in Adam all DIE"

Why is that my Dear Sister in Christ? = Because God placed Man/Adam in authority over creation and his wife.
Even to this day of infilling of the Holy Spirit = God places Man and remains in authority over the Woman

No where in Scripture does it say Adam was next to Eve when she alone was deceived.

In FACT, GOD was THERE and CLEARLY exonerated Adam from hearing and heeding the Serpents voice.

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
And He said, “Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”

Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”

And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

 

[Muna]

I don't judge God.
It will be as He wills it.
Those who judge His chosen shall be judged.

Paul was a chosen Jew

Acts 9:1 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

 

[David in NJ]

Here you go ...read.

2 Corinthians 11:3
“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

1 Corinthians 15:22
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”

It's not needed to add to scripture, or to ignore exactly what scripture clearly states. They both are said to have transgressed. And yet, Eve was deceived/beguiled ....Adam was WITH HER (just as the scriptures state) ....and he (willfully) took the fruit. The eyes of them both were not opened until after Adam took the fruit. Scripture attributes the fall and entrance of death on mankind to "one man" .....Adam. Read Romans 5:19. Adam disobeyed. This is not adding to scripture. Just be willing to take the Word for what it says. No theories...just scripture.

Romans 5:14-19
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Place this in your Heart and Mind Dear Sister in CHRIST
GENESIS was Written by the Author = the HOLY SPIRIT = the Spirit of TRUTH that can NEVER speak a lie!!!

And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” = singular

Eve was alone with the Serpent = "I ate" = Eve did not say "we ate"

TRUTH = Adam: "the woman you gave brought to me the fruit and I ate" = singular

Always trust God at His Word

 

[Muna]

Satan's desire of Job

Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Job's wife

Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Who was with him

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Unlike Adam, who hearkened unto the voice of his wife (who was listening to Satan, that old serpent)

Adam

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife

Job did not fulfill the desire of Satan (for him to curse God) even though that temptation (or desire of Satan) was also being pushed through to him through the voice of his own wife to do so.

 

[David in NJ]

Satan's desire of Job

Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Job's wife

Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Who was with him

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Unlike Adam, who hearkened unto the voice of his wife (who was listening to Satan, that old serpent)

Adam

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife

Job did not fulfill the desire of Satan (for him to curse God) even though that temptation (or desire of Satan) was also being pushed through to him through the voice of his own wife to do so.

Excellent

Not many know of that encounter with Job and his wife and those who do often ignore it.

 

[David in NJ]

The Book of Romans
Written by a Jewish Apostle of CHRIST, is a excellent resource for anyone to KNOW of the Judgment of GOD upon the Jew & Gentile

Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
For there is no partiality with God.

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

The GOSPEL is both Salvation AND Judgment upon the Jewish people = each Jew will decided YEA or NAY

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that
I am He , you will die in your sins."

The GOSPEL has already Judged the Jewish nation AND only when CHRIST Returns will they be Rescued/SAVED

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more until you say,
‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

BEST to believe JESUS at His words = no one escapes Judgment but thru CHRIST

 

[Lizbeth]

while it is true that often the act of children is done in ignorance
Still , as you do agree , it must be corrected .
A womans beauty should not have been noticed by her charms
nor her outward beauty persay ,
but by what is on the inside . And by that i mean ALSO WHO is on the inside .
Beauty is fleeting
And appears but for a time
Manipulation appears powerful and can indeed draw one to being honored and desired .
But in the end it was all vain .
If my daughter had put her charms upon me , my daughter had been , or should have been , corrected .
WE dont use what God gave us to charm or to manipulate
but rather TO ONLY POINT TO HE , TO GOD , and not to us .
Just a reminder for us all my dear sister .

No, I think we're getting our wires crossed.....it's hard hashing things out in writing. I'm talking about a little girl being a little girl...eg, pirouetting in front of her father to show off her new dress, or just being cute, coming to him for a hug and engaging him in conversation, wanting his attention. A pedophile might misinterpret such things. A little girl is needing affirmation of her femininity and acceptance by her Dad. But say a 12 year old who has seen and knows too much is putting on make-up and parading around in provocative clothing, yes something like that would need correcting. Same with a little boy who is trying to impress his mom or dad.....he needs affirmation of his masculinity and to learn how to handle it as he gets older.....not to squelch it.

 

[David in NJ]

@Lizbeth @Nancy @Marvelloustime @TLHKAJ @Truly @ProverbsInPink

I am sure that MARY sang this song
Not found in the Bible but this we know from the Gospel = MARY being a TRUE Daughter of Avraham with faith in her Savior YESHUA, she was filled with the Ruach Hakodesh on Pentecost.

 

[TLHKAJ]

AGREE AGREE AGREE that "in Adam all DIE"

Why is that my Dear Sister in Christ? = Because God placed Man/Adam in authority over creation and his wife.
Even to this day of infilling of the Holy Spirit = God places Man and remains in authority over the Woman

No where in Scripture does it say Adam was next to Eve when she alone was deceived.

In FACT, GOD was THERE and CLEARLY exonerated Adam from hearing and heeding the Serpents voice.

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
And He said, “Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”

Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”

And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

I disagree ...."with her" in Genesis ...and "with me" stated by Adam ....he was with her. lol

Listen, it's the pattern for men to blame the woman ever since the fall. Adam was not tricked or deceived ...he willfully disobeyed and that is where death entered. That's what Romans says. Adam disobeyed. Eve was deceived.

I don't need to go over and over this and try to make scripture say what it doesn't say.

Btw, we are waaaaay off topic! lol

 

[Lizbeth]

@TLHKAJ and @Lizbeth

i would like to examine the notion that Adam was standing next to Eve when she ate the fruit in the LIGHT of Scripture

I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting; in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

Dwell on "Adam was not deceived" = this forces us to dwell deeper as to the timing of the events

Thank You @TLHKAJ and @Lizbeth for you both are a encouragement to me

Women are for sure more easily deceived generally, and I dont' agree with having women pastors/ leaders in the church.

I don't know how to understand what it says about Adam not being in the transgression because he wasn't deceived. Did he transgress or not? Or as a prefigure for Christ, did he eat the fruit on purpose so as to remain with his wife? Like Jesus bearing our sins. Otherwise she would have been cast out of the Garden alone and without a protector. (The bible says Adam was a figure for he who was to come, which I take to mean Christ. Eve - the church - was born out of his side.)

However, either way, it's self-evident that men certainly are not immune to sin and transgression or deception either.

 

[David in NJ]

Women are for sure more easily deceived generally, and I dont' agree with having women pastors/ leaders in the church.

I don't know how to understand what it says about Adam not being in the transgression because he wasn't deceived. Did he transgress or not? Or as a prefigure for Christ, did he eat the fruit on purpose so as to remain with his wife? Like Jesus bearing our sins. Otherwise she would have been cast out of the Garden alone and without a protector. (The bible says Adam was a figure for he who was to come, which I take to mean Christ. Eve - the church - was born out of his side.)

However, either way, it's self-evident that men certainly are not immune to sin and transgression or deception either.

Adam absolutely sinned

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come

 

[Lizbeth]

TRUTH = Adam: "the woman you gave brought to me the fruit and I ate" = singular

ok, maybe. I'm not sure it is conclusive though.

I agree that the serpent spoke to Eve, not to Adam and that she was deceived, not he. Wasn't trying to say otherwise.

 

[David in NJ]

ok, maybe. I'm not sure it is conclusive though.

I agree that the serpent spoke to Eve, not to Adam and that she was deceived, not he. Wasn't trying to say otherwise.

There is something ULTRA important in God's calling them out in Gen ch3

Let me know if you see it.

It has not been discussed or mentioned on here.

 

[Lizbeth]

Satan's desire of Job

Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.

Job's wife

Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.

Who was with him

Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Unlike Adam, who hearkened unto the voice of his wife (who was listening to Satan, that old serpent)

Adam

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife

Job did not fulfill the desire of Satan (for him to curse God) even though that temptation (or desire of Satan) was also being pushed through to him through the voice of his own wife to do so.

Amen. yes. Job was righteous to harken to God over his wife.

However, I don't want us to forget that there are plenty of examples in the bible of women who were faithful to God. In the kingdom of God there is neither male nor female.........spiritual women are not deceivers or luring men to their doom, but are in line with the truth.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I don't know how to understand what it says about Adam not being in the transgression because he wasn't deceived. Did he transgress or not?

I quoted a scripture elsewhere that said Adam also transgressed. (See verse 14.)

Romans 5:14-19
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.