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[David in NJ]

ok, maybe. I'm not sure it is conclusive though.

I agree that the serpent spoke to Eve, not to Adam and that she was deceived, not he. Wasn't trying to say otherwise.

Well, if you look again you will see that God concluded the matter as to separation of Eve with the Serpent and then Eve with Adam.

If Adam heard the serpent speaking then he would of been deceived as Eve

God never said that of Adam whereas God did say that of Eve.

As @amigo de christo pointed out the Truth
God said: Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife

Was God confused??? Absolutely not = Truth confirmed, verified and Case Closed

 

[Muna]

Adam absolutely sinned

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come

Similarly then

Ehpes 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Same fear

2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Don't listen to snakes

 

[Lizbeth]

I disagree ...."with her" in Genesis ...and "with me" stated by Adam ....he was with her. lol

Listen, it's the pattern for men to blame the woman ever since the fall. Adam was not tricked or deceived ...he willfully disobeyed and that is where death entered. That's what Romans says. Adam disobeyed. Eve was deceived.

I don't need to go over and over this and try to make scripture say what it doesn't say.

Btw, we are waaaaay off topic! lol

Why did Paul say that Adam was not "in the transgression" though? Even though he clearly transgressed. There is some distinction to be made I think, other than that he wasn't deceived.

 

[David in NJ]

Similarly then

Ehpes 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Ephes 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Same fear

2 Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Don't listen to snakes

Thank You - again excellent deduction from Scripture

 

[David in NJ]

@Lizbeth @TLHKAJ please look at Post 564 from @Truly

 

[Muna]

Amen. yes. Job was righteous to harken to God over his wife.

However, I don't want us to forget that there are plenty of examples in the bible of women who were faithful to God. In the kingdom of God there is neither male nor female.........spiritual women are not deceivers or luring men to their doom, but are in line with the truth.

God told Abraham to listen to his wife here

Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

 

[Lizbeth]

I quoted a scripture elsewhere that said Adam also transgressed. (See verse 14.)

Romans 5:14-19
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Yes, he disobeyed God and yet he was also a figure for Christ. There is more than one layer to things that are written I believe, more than one lesson. That is why IF Adam was with Eve, I believe it could be a clue as to a tendency of the man. Think I glimpsed this a long time ago, but I have forgotten it. Anyway, didn't mean for it to side-track the conversation.

 

[David in NJ]

God told Abraham to listen to his wife here

Gen 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.

This was AFTER Abraham failed via his wife/Sarah's encouragement to go into/sex with Hagar = Not God's Will be done

AFTER the screw up (pun intended) God approved of Sarah's decision as it became a Prophecy.


Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 

[Muna]

@Lizbeth @TLHKAJ please look at Post 564 from @Truly

In this context, couldn't this be the qualifier to being with her though?

2 Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

 

[Muna]

This was AFTER Abraham failed via his wife/Sarah's encouragement to go into/sex with Hagar = Not God's Will be done

AFTER the screw up (pun intended) God approved of Sarah's decision as it became a Prophecy.


Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

The same verse is mentioned here

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[Muna]

Gotta start dinner, and my girl Candace is on a couple minutes, check back later

 

[David in NJ]

In this context, couldn't this be the qualifier to being with her though?

2 Cr 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Scripture never contradicts Scripture = Truth never contradicts Truth

Here - take another look at what GOD Said = there is no room for ambiguity = GOD was very specific and exact

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
11And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”
12Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
13And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife,

Had Adam been present with the Serpent, God would never of specified that Adam heeded, NOT the Serpent,
Adam only heard and heeded the voice of his wife

The dialogue in Genesis ch3 is ONLY between the Serpent and Eve

@TLHKAJ

 

[TLHKAJ]

As @amigo de christo pointed out the Truth
God said: Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife

This confirms the scripture that says Adam disobeyed. Eve was deceived. She was not given the exact word of God. God didn't say not to touch the fruit. He said not to EAT it. Adam's addition to what God said lent to the deception. The serpent took it and ran with it.

 

[Muna]

Scripture never contradicts Scripture = Truth never contradicts Truth

Here - take another look at what GOD Said = there is no room for ambiguity = GOD was very specific and exact

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
11And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”
12Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
13And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife,

Had Adam been present with the Serpent, God would never of specified that Adam heeded NOT the Serpent but
the voice of his wife

The dialogue in Genesis ch3 is ONLY between the Serpent and Eve

@TLHKAJ

Your losing me, but I will look at it later

 

[David in NJ]

This confirms the scripture that says Adam disobeyed. Eve was deceived. She was not given the exact word of God. God didn't say not to touch the fruit. He said not to EAT it. Adam's addition to what God said lent to the deception. The serpent took it and ran with it.

There is a AWE INSPIRING Truth as to why Adam ate the fruit = he was NOT deceived by the Serpent

Who else do we know "that was NOT deceived by the Serpent = YET, took the Sting of Death for all Mankind"

For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

[amigo de christo]

I quoted a scripture elsewhere that said Adam also transgressed. (See verse 14.)

Romans 5:14-19
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

As the serpent beguiled eve and she ate of the tree
so she fed to her husband that which was forbidden of GOD
YES . neither one was innocent at all . And nor has any that has come since
BEEN innocent . ALL have sinned . ONLY ONE DID NOT and HE came to save .
So what i say to one i say to all , Ecumenical interfaith will BRING the house down upon them all
FOR STRONG IS THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB who will destroy that house and all who sit within it .
JESUS WILL NOT BE DENIED and them whores DEN IED HIM on stage for all t osee . I seen it .
I dont sit at a table of whores who compromise and sit under the HARLOT . I suggest no other does so either .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is a AWE INSPIRING Truth as to why Adam ate the fruit = he was NOT deceived by the Serpent

Who else do we know "that was NOT deceived by the Serpent = YET, took the Sting of Death for all Mankind"

For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
32This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

And as the Mystery of godliness in Christ Jesus has been at work
SO TOO has the mystery of inquity .
And it has convinced even the churches to come and dine at its whores table of compromise and fornication .
I speak concerning anti christ and the church . CAUSE these folks are being double duped
and sadly seem to love to have it so . But as we both know THERE IS NO ANTI CHRIST AND T RUE CHURCH
only anti christ and a sold out church . Sheep dont sit under or within it either .

 

[marks]

Fact check:

We don't actually know exactly why Eve said that they were not supposed to touch the fruit. Perhaps Adam told her this, and perhaps he did not.

Genesis 3:3-4 Brenton
3) And the woman said to the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden,
4) but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Eve told the serpant that God had said they were not to touch it.

Either this was true, or false. If true, then in fact God did say that.

If this was not true, Eve was already deceived by a falsehood, if God did not in fact say.

Much love!

 

[Muna]

Scripture never contradicts Scripture = Truth never contradicts Truth

Here - take another look at what GOD Said = there is no room for ambiguity = GOD was very specific and exact

Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
10So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.”
11And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”
12Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
13And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife,

Had Adam been present with the Serpent, God would never of specified that Adam heeded, NOT the Serpent,
Adam only heard and heeded the voice of his wife

The dialogue in Genesis ch3 is ONLY between the Serpent and Eve

@TLHKAJ

Job also could have heeded his wife's voice which was echoing the desires of Satan towards him.

As the woman is the flesh and bone of the man, Satan wanted permission to touch Job's flesh and bone at that time (he both received that permission to do so) and so his utterance came through his wife's voice (curse God) which could likely be compared with the serpents voice through the woman in the garden towards Adam.

 

[amigo de christo]

Fact check:

We don't actually know exactly why Eve said that they were not supposed to touch the fruit. Perhaps Adam told her this, and perhaps he did not.

Much love!

Fact check
ONLY JESUS SAVES and to be saved ONE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM .
Fact check ecumenical interfaith will be the total ruin of any and of all who sit under it .
TIME for to preach JESUS , while there still be time to do so .
Because believe you me , in an hour that no man knows , IT WILL BE TOO LATE .
WHEN Once the master of the house has risen up and closed THE DOOR
all outside , which darn sure is ecumeincal interfaith and any and all who loved a lie , gonna wail mark
SO allow me a question .
ARE WE GONNA LOVE the peoples or hate the peoples . If we love we speak ONLY TRUTH
we do correct and we point ONLY TO JESUS CHRIST .
SO when the whore , the great mother of all harlots has gathered her lost children
and threats are made against the few who did not conform , e And though she promises
us a table of riches , and though she were to say come and live a king
I GOT TWO WORDS for that WHORES DOCTRINE . NO DEAL . i had sooner be dead than to sit under A HARLOT .