Do you approve of U.S. President Trump meeting with Syrian leader (former Arab Muslim militant) at White House??

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Do you approve of U.S. President Trump meeting with Syrian leader ex-Muslim militant at White House?


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amigo de christo

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Israel, duh. A dangerous ally is still better than an enemy.

Probably. The war-mongers seem to have the best lobbyists. Some of those 3-letter agencies have been supplementing their budgets with funds raised through dealing arms (and drugs).
he asked you a real good question . and you blew it .
WHO should we side with . WHOEVERS KINGDOM is HEAVENLY .
WE have no business siding with mens wars .
We have a GOSPEL to preach .
I dont pick and choose the kingdoms of earth to defend or hope in .
I can pray for them all . yeah . TO COME TO JESUS FAST .
IF we supported israel THEN WHY do we sit under an ecumincal interfaith lie .
Many hate israel with a passion , ONLY they do not realize they hate israel .
WHILE its true there are many who actually HATE ON israel and would love to blow it up ,
That is not the ones i am speaking about right now .
SO lets continue .
MANY do hate israel , THOUGH THEY BELEIVE they love israel .
HOW SO .
UNBELEIF is how so . and that is why many in israel have not become OF ISRAEL .
JESUS PREACHING TIME people . ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME .
Interfaith is a sham of the dark one to decieve us all . that is all it is .
 
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Big Boy Johnson

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Trump is caught up in making deals where people come together and seemingly benefit each other, so don't be surprised that he forgets about America First and makes some deals that end up being very bad for the US
 

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he asked you a real good question . and you blew it .
WHO should we side with . WHOEVERS KINGDOM is HEAVENLY .
WE have no business siding with mens wars .
We have a GOSPEL to preach .
I dont pick and choose the kingdoms of earth to defend or hope in .
I can pray for them all . yeah . TO COME TO JESUS FAST .
IF we supported israel THEN WHY do we sit under an ecumincal interfaith lie .
Many hate israel with a passion , ONLY they do not realize they hate israel .
WHILE its true there are many who actually HATE ON israel and would love to blow it up ,
That is not the ones i am speaking about right now .
SO lets continue .
MANY do hate israel , THOUGH THEY BELEIVE they love israel .
HOW SO .
UNBELEIF is how so . and that is why many in israel have not become OF ISRAEL .
JESUS PREACHING TIME people . ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME .
Interfaith is a sham of the dark one to decieve us all . that is all it is .
Who is we?

I assumed he meant America. America should side with Israel over Syria, if a choice must be made. (Neutrality is better than siding with anyone, but it may not be a real option).
 
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Who is we?

I assumed he meant America. America should side with Israel over Syria, if a choice must be made. (Neutrality is better than siding with anyone, but it may not be a real option).

It just seems like another messy and very complex situation the USA is entangling itself in. The Israelis say that the Syrians are killing the Druze, and possibly harming/controlling the Kurds. The Syrians in turn claim the Israelis are occupying their sovereign land and pushing in more and more into their territory. I am not sure if either side will easily back down.


 

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It just seems like another messy and very complex situation the USA is entangling itself in. The Israelis say that the Syrians are killing the Druze, and possibly harming/controlling the Kurds. The Syrians in turn claim the Israelis are occupying their sovereign land and pushing in more and more into their territory. I am not sure if either side will easily back down.

Israel should be sabotaging Trump's talks with leaders of islam

Trump is too slow to know how islam does business so he doesn't know he is getting played.
 
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The US government doesn't have any moral standing. We've done more terrible things than just about anyone else.
Your overall post was great, but the moral issue stands out as what I would call the crux of the problem for many who are against Trump and the current US position.

What they are missing is actually being hidden from them--not without hints and clues--but they're not picking up on it. For some reason many people are just not wired to see the handwriting on the wall. God knows. They just see things at first glance--granted, things that ought to be revolting. But because that first glance position is mostly emotional, you can't have a reasonable conversation with them--not even with those who seem to have a bunch of "facts" to backup their position. But that's easy--anyone can make a case with only half the information, it goes on in courts all the time. What's missing at this point however, is the final arguments. But their coming.

Meanwhile, those poor folks don't even have a clue that they are rooting for the wrong side.
 
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It just seems like another messy and very complex situation the USA is entangling itself in. The Israelis say that the Syrians are killing the Druze, and possibly harming/controlling the Kurds. The Syrians in turn claim the Israelis are occupying their sovereign land and pushing in more and more into their territory. I am not sure if either side will easily back down.

Israel should be sabotaging Trump's talks with leaders of islam

Trump is too slow to know how islam does business so he doesn't know he is getting played.
If I may...

Most of all that is just what is coming out in the news. But it is all scripted. That's not actually what is going on.

I am sure you have heard things said like, "This or that country or dictator was just being manipulated or even funded to support some hidden CIA agenda." Well, that is what is kinda going on--but it's different.

What is actually going on, is a great number of nations (or certain parties within them) have formed an alliance to jointly rid the world of corruption that goes back centuries. Corruption like starting wars for profit, etc., funding both sides to promote their own agenda. The corruption has been done in secret, covertly, so the fight against them is also being done covertly (not to give away position and strategy). This is what the BRICS alliance is all about.

Because the US Dollar has been the standard reserve currency for international trade, and because the current level of corruption is also international, the US Dollar is being used by the alliance of nations against the ages old corruption problem. It has been targeted as a way to take down the corrupt international mafia-like assets that literally control the world. And it's working--almost finished actually. And BRICS has been established to lead the way--in basically breaking the US Dollar--to put the corruption out of business.

Thus, the US is in the spotlight, but so is Israel...because Israel was one of the first nations to be overcome by the corruption. Before that was England where covert operatives established the Sovereign Nation City of London, followed by the Sovereign Nation City of Washington D. C.. Israel is that same kind of Sovereign--but it's not just the City of Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, it's the whole country.

Things are not what they seem or appear to be.
 
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If I may...

Most of all that is just what is coming out in the news. But it is all scripted. That's not actually what is going on.

I am sure you have heard things said like, "This or that country or dictator was just being manipulated or even funded to support some hidden CIA agenda." Well, that is what is kinda going on--but it's different.

What is actually going on, is a great number of nations (or certain parties within them) have formed an alliance to jointly rid the world of corruption that goes back centuries. Corruption like starting wars for profit, etc., funding both sides to promote their own agenda. The corruption has been done in secret, covertly, so the fight against them is also being done covertly (not to give away position and strategy). This is what the BRICS alliance is all about.

Because the US Dollar has been the standard reserve currency for international trade, and because the current level of corruption is also international, the US Dollar is being used by the alliance of nations against the ages old corruption problem, it has been targeted as a way to take down the corrupt international mafia-like assets that literally control the world. And it's working--almost finished actually. And BRICS has been established to lead the way--in basically breaking the US Dollar--to put the corruption out of business.

Thus, the US is in the spotlight, but so is Israel...because Israel was one of the first nations to be overcome by the corruption. Before that was England where covert operatives established the Sovereign Nation City of London, followed by the Sovereign Nation City of Washington D. C.. Israel is that same kind of Sovereign--but it's not just the City of Jerusalem, it's the whole country.

Things are not what they seem or appear to be.

Then do you think the US should be involved in the Middle East or not?? Or stay out as some people think?? Even among Republicans there are increasingly different views on these things.

Tucker Carlson that podcast guy was arguing with Ben Shapiro/Dave Rubin and others on exactly this. It is an issue that is dividing some parts of the MAGA conservative movement too.

Of course, Tucker is also not without his own controversies, so

 

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Then do you think the US should be involved in the Middle East or not?? Or stay out as some people think?? Even among Republicans there are increasingly different views on these things.

Tucker Carlson that podcast guy was arguing with Ben Shapiro/Dave Rubin and others on exactly this. It is an issue that is dividing some parts of the MAGA conservative movement too.

Of course, Tucker is also not without his own controversies, so

The "America first" position is an attempt to secure our own home like an adult should put on their own oxygen mask first before helping their child of someone else. Kinda like you need to love yourself before you can love someone else. Or militarily to first establish a perimeter (thus, the Wall and secure borders).

Which would mean not being involved in the Middle East, in principle. However, just as one may secure their own property before worrying too much about what is going on in the rest of the neighborhood, what goes on in the rest of the neighborhood or the rest of the world, ultimately cannot be avoided--at least to some extent.

What the Trump Administration is working toward, is peace or no international trade for all nations. In other words, if war breaks out somewhere in the world, those nations get financially unplugged from the rest of the world, as a form of automatic sanctions against all wars.

But we're not there yet. Actually we are...it's just not fully public yet. Meanwhile, a whole bunch of people--and a whole bunch of news organizations--are unknowingly complicating this peaceful existence of all nations movement with their rhetoric.
 
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If I may...

Most of all that is just what is coming out in the news. But it is all scripted. That's not actually what is going on.

I am sure you have heard things said like, "This or that country or dictator was just being manipulated or even funded to support some hidden CIA agenda." Well, that is what is kinda going on--but it's different.

What is actually going on, is a great number of nations (or certain parties within them) have formed an alliance to jointly rid the world of corruption that goes back centuries. Corruption like starting wars for profit, etc., funding both sides to promote their own agenda. The corruption has been done in secret, covertly, so the fight against them is also being done covertly (not to give away position and strategy). This is what the BRICS alliance is all about.

Because the US Dollar has been the standard reserve currency for international trade, and because the current level of corruption is also international, the US Dollar is being used by the alliance of nations against the ages old corruption problem, it has been targeted as a way to take down the corrupt international mafia-like assets that literally control the world. And it's working--almost finished actually. And BRICS has been established to lead the way--in basically breaking the US Dollar--to put the corruption out of business.

Thus, the US is in the spotlight, but so is Israel...because Israel was one of the first nations to be overcome by the corruption. Before that was England where covert operatives established the Sovereign Nation City of London, followed by the Sovereign Nation City of Washington D. C.. Israel is that same kind of Sovereign--but it's not just the City of Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, it's the whole country.

Things are not what they seem or appear to be.
I wish I shared your optimism.

I find it hard to believe that there are angels of light operating in the shadows. Those things tend to be incompatible.
 

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The US government doesn't have any moral standing. We've done more terrible things than just about anyone else.

Also, I do not care about a "moral right" where it comes to matters of diplomacy, and neither should you. A country's government is there to defend its people from threats, period. Having the moral high ground is not required.

You don't send your cutest puppy to a dog-fight, you send the baddest dog you have. Likewise, where it comes to matters of national security, give me the platoon of marines with bad attitudes, and leave behind the choir-boys.
Ah, my friend, you speak with the bluntness of someone who has resigned himself to the jungle law of power politics, where might makes right and morality is a luxury for the weak.
You admit the US has no moral standing after committing atrocities far worse than many it condemns, yet you shrug it off as irrelevant. That's not pragmatism; that's cynicism masking complicity.

Of course, governments must defend their people—that's not in dispute. But when the US lectures the world on human rights while arming regimes that bomb schools in Gaza, fund head-choppers in Syria, or turn Yemen into a graveyard, it exposes itself as a hollow bully. Your analogy of sending the "baddest dog" to a fight? Fine for a street brawl, but in global diplomacy, it breeds resentment, isolation, and blowback. Look at how the US's unconditional support for Israel's apartheid and genocide has alienated the Global South and even your own youth. Is that "defending" Americans, or digging a deeper grave for your empire?
I'm not a Republican, but... Muslims are enemies of the faith and of our country,

Can you not see the difference between holding negotiations with one's enemies, and electing one's enemies to positions of power within your government?
It seems Trump doesn’t see the difference either.
Your proposal is... acceptable.

Let's dispose of the notion of moral superiority. Bring that SOB down to the White House, look him in the eyes, and let him know that we are the biggest, baddest dog in this fight. Tell him what lines not to cross and where to line up, and remind him of all the dead dictators we've left in our wake over the past century. Hopefully, send him home with a new perspective, and his tail between his legs.
Your dismissal of moral superiority as irrelevant is fatal flaw. It breeds endless enemies, erodes alliances, and sows the seeds of your own isolation.

“You can do everything with bayonets except sit on them.”

Or the more common modern rendering:

“You can conquer with bayonets, but you cannot govern with bayonets.”

(widely attributed to Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, Napoleon’s foreign minister)

(“On peut tout faire avec des baïonnettes, sauf s’asseoir dessus.”)Sometimes it’s paraphrased as:
“Power can be seized with bayonets, but no one can sit on bayonets forever.” Talleyrand supposedly said this to Napoleon around 1815, warning that military force can topple regimes but cannot replace legitimacy and consent in the long run.
 

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But when the US lectures the world on human rights while arming regimes that bomb schools in Gaza, fund head-choppers in Syria, or turn Yemen into a graveyard, it exposes itself as a hollow bully.
Talk is just talk. Everyone justifies themselves... or tries to, anyway. I find it useful to ignore the words of politicians and media. Look at actions, instead - actions rarely lie.
Your analogy of sending the "baddest dog" to a fight? Fine for a street brawl, but in global diplomacy, it breeds resentment, isolation, and blowback. Look at how the US's unconditional support for Israel's apartheid and genocide has alienated the Global South and even your own youth. Is that "defending" Americans, or digging a deeper grave for your empire?

Your dismissal of moral superiority as irrelevant is fatal flaw. It breeds endless enemies, erodes alliances, and sows the seeds of your own isolation.
Every dominant empire in the history of the world is hated, sooner or later. This phenomenon is so common that there's a word for it - antihegemony. This eventually happens, despite anyone's best efforts. You can't please everyone.

Every empire ends. America is in clear decline. You can dance on our graves, eventually. Best make sure we're quite dead before you start dancing, though.

Whenever it happens, the death of the American government will let several 3-letter agencies completely off the leash. Someone will inherit an arsenal capable of literally destroying the world. The American citizenry is better-armed than most militaries. On second thought, perhaps this isn't an event you should be rooting for...
“You can do everything with bayonets except sit on them.”

Or the more common modern rendering:

“You can conquer with bayonets, but you cannot govern with bayonets.”

(widely attributed to Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord, Napoleon’s foreign minister)

(“On peut tout faire avec des baïonnettes, sauf s’asseoir dessus.”)Sometimes it’s paraphrased as:
“Power can be seized with bayonets, but no one can sit on bayonets forever.” Talleyrand supposedly said this to Napoleon around 1815, warning that military force can topple regimes but cannot replace legitimacy and consent in the long run.
Good quote. The first version is funny.

Military power is only one of several kinds of power. The kind of power you're dealing in here is propaganda.
 

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You believe in God, believe also in the forces of both good and evil--always working. I am sure you actually do.
Certainly. I just don't think America is going to be redeemed. God will eventually call us to account for our sins. The cycle will continue with some other country as the hegemon.

In the meantime, I have been blessed to live at the best time in the world so far.
 
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Certainly. I just don't think America is going to be redeemed. God will eventually call us to account for our sins. The cycle will continue with some other country as the hegemon.

In the meantime, I have been blessed to live at the best time in the world so far.
America, the USA, carries the torch much like Israel did. We are a nation and a people who was no nation, but became a nation drawn from the nations. We cross the sea and took over the land, a land of milk and honey. We were established by the same number of colonies (if you count Ephraim and Manasa). We war against each other as if North and South, or as if two different houses. One nation under God.

We are, and will be, at the center of world affairs, just as Israel was also. They crucified Christ in the flesh. We, as representative of all the nations--the gentiles--have, and will, crucify Him in spirit. Blaspheme is ours, as is salvation. But among us there is also a remnant--and like Israel--it is not who one would think.
 

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Certainly. I just don't think America is going to be redeemed. God will eventually call us to account for our sins. The cycle will continue with some other country as the hegemon.

In the meantime, I have been blessed to live at the best time in the world so far.
Sir, how and why is this the best time? Many young and middle-aged Americans alike would say that this is now one of the worst times in American history, inflation, housing prices, lots of foreign wars and messes, school violence, social and political divisions worse than ever before, etc.
 

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Sir, how and why is this the best time? Many young and middle-aged Americans alike would say that this is now one of the worst times in American history, inflation, housing prices, lots of foreign wars and messes, school violence, social and political divisions worse than ever before, etc.
Then they aren't very aware of history. The standard of living for an average American today is comparable to that of the King of England 400 years ago. That is, the quality of life here is similar to that of the single wealthiest, most powerful man on earth just a few hundred years ago.
 

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Then they aren't very aware of history. The standard of living for an average American today is comparable to that of the King of England 400 years ago. That is, the quality of life here is similar to that of the single wealthiest, most powerful man on earth just a few hundred years ago.
But that doesn't mean America is in great shape especially compared with many other countries who have much higher standards of living and life expectancies and lower crime than we do...and much better education rates too.