Is God Magnanimous? - (as opposed to tyrannical)

[shepherdsword]

So quick to raise the mystery?

Correct.

Jesus did you mean?

Who else could "he" refer to?

Jesus was raised by God you mean?

Raised by God the Father

If you insist on clinging to mysteries, we cannot reach agreement. Ultimately, you cannot discern the Godhead as revealed in the Word of God, relying instead on man-made creeds. You approach this from the position of being unable to know what has already been fully revealed and understood by the Apostles, which renders our discussion futile.

I agree that our discussion is futile when you pretend to understand something far outside the boundaries of your natural mind. Stop being so pretentious as if you have presented some deep paradox beyond the grasp of others. It makes you look silly. Neither of us knows nothing as we ought to know. Although I am sure you think YOU do.

 

[Hiddenthings]

yes, a tacit admission of the inability to see!

If that were true, you would let the Word speak for itself instead of imposing your own beliefs upon it. Every time you are challenged you ignore, avert or just be you.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Who else could "he" refer to?

Raised by God the Father

I agree that our discussion is futile when you pretend to understand something far outside the boundaries of your natural mind. Stop being so pretentious as if you have presented some deep paradox beyond the grasp of others. It makes you look silly. Neither of us knows nothing as we ought to know. Although I am sure you think YOU do.

You openly state you believe in mysteries - what can anyone do with this?

 

[Hiddenthings]

@shepherdsword

The mystery has now been revealed. Read Colossians 1:26–27 and Ephesians 3:3–4, and you will see that there are no mysteries regarding God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit—the Power of God or the Gospel.

The only mysteries you cling to are those invented by the scholars you trust.

 

[quietthinker]

If that were true, you would let the Word speak for itself instead of imposing your own beliefs upon it. Every time you are challenged you ignore, avert or just be you.

'destroy this temple and I will raise it in three days'.....Jesus
I guess, according to the experts Jesus either ignored, averted or was just himself. Either way, they missed the point.

 

[Hiddenthings]

'destroy this temple and I will raise it in three days'.....Jesus
I guess, according to the experts Jesus either ignored, averted or was just himself. Either way, they missed the point.

Cleverness can only carry you so far; eventually, someone will lower a bucket into your well and find it dry.

 

[shepherdsword]

You openly state you believe in mysteries - what can anyone do with this?

Read the bible for one thing as Paul mentioned several. However he did have a word to say to those who thought they understood it all.

1 Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

 

[quietthinker]

Cleverness can only carry you so far; eventually, someone will lower a bucket into your well and find it dry.

like I said, slow train coming!

 

[Hiddenthings]

like I said, slow train coming!

More of the same repetition, I think you’ve quoted that saying more than twice in this forum.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Read the bible for one thing as Paul mentioned several. However he did have a word to say to those who thought they understood it all.

1 Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

I’m not sure whether this quote is meant to support your belief in your mysteries or to argue that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased while love remained. All I can suggest is that you revisit your ‘God died’ doctrine and seek the truth revealed by the Apostles.

 

[shepherdsword]

@shepherdsword

The mystery has now been revealed. Read Colossians 1:26–27 and Ephesians 3:3–4, and you will see that there are no mysteries regarding God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit—the Power of God or the Gospel.

The mystery I referred to was the Trinity. While alluded to, it is not fully explained. Do you have a full comprehension of it that is not based on conjecture? Or do you even believe in the Trinity?

The only mysteries you cling to are those invented by the scholars you trust.

Oh? As opposed to trusting you?

 

[Hiddenthings]

like I said, slow train coming!

As I recall, you argued that God hands people over to their own lusts and devices from Romans 1. Yet when it was shown to you that God Himself orders destruction, you had no response. You are quick with clever one-liners, but when it matters, you have nothing of value to offer.

So why the silence?

 

[quietthinker]

As I recall, you argued that God hands people over to their own lusts and devices from Romans 1. Yet when it was shown to you that God Himself orders destruction, you had no response. You are quick with clever one-liners, but when it matters, you have nothing of value to offer.

So why the silence?

slow train coming.....can you hear it?

 

[Hiddenthings]

The mystery I referred to was the Trinity.

I know

While alluded to, it is not fully explained.

I can't be

Do you have a full comprehension of it that is not based on conjecture?

How can you claim to believe in something you admit is unknowable.

Or do you even believe in the Trinity?

No

Oh? As opposed to trusting you?

I'm not concerned about your trust. You made a false claim and defended it by calling it a mystery and I've called you out on it.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Why can't we all just get along?

 

[Hiddenthings]

slow train coming.....can you hear it?

Ha you're a funny guy!


Your beliefs are just like the tracks your slow train runs on....toot toot!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Why can't we all just get along?

Its his fixation with trains! Maybe he's in the wrong forum?

 

[shepherdsword]

I’m not sure whether this quote is meant to support your belief in your mysteries or to argue that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased while love remained. All I can suggest is that you revisit your ‘God died’ doctrine and seek the truth revealed by the Apostles.

Let's parse this logically with a classic syllogism
1) Jesus is God
2) Jesus died on the cross
3) ergo...God died

I am saying that the human form of Jesus actually died...do you agree with this?
I am also saying that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh...do you agree with this?
If you do I am willing to forego the semantics of stating "God died" as it can be misunderstood. A rephrase of the term would be more elaborate and I failed to do so out of laziness. How about we say "Jesus, who was God manifested in the flesh, died a physical death on the cross"? Is that acceptable?

 

[quietthinker]

@Hiddenthings
Ever wonder why Jesus was not in the face of those who maligned him, after his resurrection?

 

[MonoBiblical]

@Hiddenthings
Ever wonder why Jesus was not in the face of those who maligned him, after his resurrection?

No