Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[David Lamb]

It isn't a typical name or noun. It is something a crowd would chant. It was more like a call, then a reputation.

I am no expert on Hebrew names, but surely many of them are not nouns. I think of the names given to God in the bible, like Jehovah Jireh (The Lord will provide) and Jehovah Rapha (The Lord that Heals). Yes, "Lord" is a noun, but "provide" and "heals" are verbs. I still don't understand why you think the name Jesus was given was pathetic.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I am no expert on Hebrew names, but surely many of them are not nouns. I think of the names given to God in the bible, like Jehovah Jireh (The Lord will provide) and Jehovah Rapha (The Lord that Heals). Yes, "Lord" is a noun, but "provide" and "heals" are verbs. I still don't understand why you think the name Jesus was given was pathetic.

ONOMA means name and/or noun per Aristotle [for the Greek language].

 

[David Lamb]

ONOMA means name and/or noun per Aristotle [for the Greek language].

I didn't mention "Onoma". I was asking why "Immanuel" according to you, would be a pathetic name.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I didn't mention "Onoma". I was asking why "Immanuel" according to you, would be a pathetic name.

Because it is a slogan. If I named you, God is great; you would question it as a personal name.

 

[David Lamb]

Because it is a slogan. If I named you, God is great; you would question it as a personal name.

So are you saying that you believe that God the Father gave His Son a pathetic name? Matthew wrote:

“22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”” (Mt 1:22-23 NKJV)

 

[MonoBiblical]

So are you saying that you believe that God the Father gave His Son a pathetic name? Matthew wrote:

“22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”” (Mt 1:22-23 NKJV)

The word ὀνομάζω is not used, but καλέω is and is very similar to ἐκκλησία root wise. Thus, he was addressed as Immanuel with his name Jesus. Is that too complicated for you?

 

[David Lamb]

The word ὀνομάζω is not used, but καλέω is and is very similar to ἐκκλησία root wise. Thus, he was addressed as Immanuel with his name Jesus. Is that too complicated for you?

It is not complicated, but you still haven't explained why you apparently believe that God the Father gave God the Son a pathetic name.

 

[MonoBiblical]

It is not complicated, but you still haven't explained why you apparently believe that God the Father gave God the Son a pathetic name.

No one gave him that name.

 

[David Lamb]

No one gave him that name.

Matthew says The Lord did:

“22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”” (Mt 1:22-23 NKJV)

 

[MonoBiblical]

Matthew says The Lord did:

“22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”” (Mt 1:22-23 NKJV)

 

[HealthyShape]

Because it is a slogan. If I named you, God is great; you would question it as a personal name.

You are making no sense, this is exactly how names are actually formed. For example, John means "God is gracious", Daniel means "God is my judge", Timotheus means "one who honors God" etc.

 

[MonoBiblical]

You are making no sense, this is exactly how names are actually formed. For example, John means "God is gracious", Daniel means "God is my judge" etc.

"God is with him" would have a better meaning.

 

[HealthyShape]

"God is with him" would have a better meaning.

We are not talking about what you would like, we are talking about what functions as a name.

 

[MonoBiblical]

We are not talking about what you would like, we are talking about what functions as a name.

It wasn't a name.

 

[HealthyShape]

It wasn't a name.

Historically, Emmanuel has been used as a personal name in Jewish and Christian communities.

 

[ProDeo]

Immanuel, a name meaning "God with us," is a significant term found in the Bible, symbolizing the presence of God among His people. The name is derived from the Hebrew words "Immanu" (with us) and "El" (God). It is a prophetic name that holds deep theological implications, particularly in the context of messianic prophecy and the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

Biblical References:

1. Isaiah 7:14 · The first mention of Immanuel is found in the book of Isaiah. The prophet Isaiah delivers a message to King Ahaz of Judah, promising a sign from God: "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel" . This prophecy is given during a time of political turmoil and serves as a divine assurance of God's presence and deliverance.

2. Isaiah 8:8, 10 · The name Immanuel appears again in Isaiah's prophecy concerning the Assyrian invasion. In Isaiah 8:8, the land is referred to as "Your land, O Immanuel," indicating that the land of Judah belongs to God. In verse 10, the assurance is given that despite the plans of the nations, they will not succeed, "for God is with us."

3. Matthew 1:22-23 · The Gospel of Matthew explicitly connects the prophecy of Isaiah to the birth of Jesus Christ. Matthew writes, "All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 'Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel' (which means, 'God with us')" . This passage affirms the belief that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Immanuel prophecy, embodying God's presence with humanity.

Taken from - Topical Bible: Immanuel because I can not say it any better.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Historically, Emmanuel has been used as a personal name in Jewish and Christian communities.

I don't see the name in the rest of the New Testament. What is interesting is that names are nouns in Greek, and Hebrew. They shall call his/its? name, Immanuel. Did they all name him Immanuel? no they named their event; God is with us. What kills this is that the article before his name is neuter. τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ Ἐμμανουήλ,

I rest my case.

 

[David Lamb]

But not in the time of Jesus!

So how can he prophecy have been fulfilled, as Matthew 1 says it was, if Jesus was not called Immanuel?

 

[MonoBiblical]

So how can he prophecy have been fulfilled, as Matthew 1 says it was, if Jesus was not called Immanuel?

God with Israel, like he was Enoch. If your modern mind can't handle it, you need to get over it.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

"God is with him" would have a better meaning.

It would be a lie though.

Jesus was God the Word , made flesh and who dwelt among us.

Therefore, God isn't with Him. God is Him.


Imma uel isn't a pathetic name. Hebrew names carried a meaning , a message, with them.

Topical Bible: Names and Their Meanings