When does Jesus judge? Is the second coming Judgement day?

[ewq1938]

I did address it ewq.
It happens on the day we are glorified right? Both futures.

Greek grammar used shows vengeance happening at the second coming but the eternal destruction happening in the future (exactly what Premill teaches and opposite of what Amill teaches), not at the second coming. Amill ignores that fact about the Greek writing.

 

[Truth7t7]

Indeed the second coming brings Judgement. God promises to avenge the blood of the saints He spoke to at their graves, because their blood cried out to Him from the grave. Jesus Himself, comes with a double edge sword to judge those who attacked His bride, His body, His elect. Blood will be as high as a horses sadle and as far as the eye can see. The Beast and False prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, and the Dragon, Satan will be thrown down into the abyss for a thousand years. That's judgemet and the end of this age.

Suddenly, we enter the mellennial age, at the end of the mellennia, Satan is released, He will gather the nations against God, and God destroy's them, not with a battle, but straight out of heaven, first with an earthquake, and then with brimstone and fire. Suddenly, God vaporises this earth and this heaven, and a new heaven and new earth appear, and the New Jerusalem.

Two simple verses that prove your claims to be "False"

Jesus returns in fire (The End) with the very simple words (Destroyed Then All) Not some but ("All")

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[ewq1938]

Two simple verses that prove your claims to be "False"

Jesus returns in fire (The End) with the very simple words (Destroyed Then All) Not some but ("All")

All? did Jesus kill all humans globally when Sodom was burned?

 

[jeffweeder]

All? did Jesus kill all humans globally when Sodom was burned?

Lol, no, it was about Gods wrath against sodom.
The second coming however comes upon all that dwell on the whole earth.

 

[jeffweeder]

Greek grammar used shows vengeance happening at the second coming but the eternal destruction happening in the future (exactly what Premill teaches and opposite of what Amill teaches), not at the second coming. Amill ignores that fact about the Greek writing.

Read the verse again...,

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day 11 With this in view, we constantly pray for you, that our God will count you worthy of your calling [to faith] and with [His] power fulfill every desire for goodness, and complete [your] every work of faith, 12 so that the name of our Lord Jesus will be glorified in you [by what you do], and you in Him, according to the [precious] grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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[ewq1938]

Lol, no, it was about Gods wrath against sodom.
The second coming however comes upon all that dwell on the whole earth.

Jesus only kills an army at the second coming, Rev 19. The passage also uses a future tense verb proving the RULE over the nations does not happen during the slaughter at Armageddon but Amill doesn't like Greek future tense verbs :)

 

[ewq1938]

Read the verse again...

Read it a thousand times (joke intended). Nothing changes about the separation between the second coming and his later coming to the GWTJ where that future tense verb is used in that verse to show the eternal destruction does not happen at the SC.

 

[jeffweeder]

Jesus only kills an army at the second coming, Rev 19.

Not what Jesus and Paul said will go down at his coming is it?

Relying on your own interpretation of Rev that contradicts the Lords own word in Matt 25 is foolish.

 

[ewq1938]

Not what Jesus and Paul said will go down at his coming is it?

They didn't say anything that would contradict Rev or any other scripture. I see you are avoiding the future tense verb examples that prove Amill wrong. I'm not surprised.

Relying on your own interpretation of Rev that contradicts the Lords own word in Matt 25 is foolish.

Same to you in reverse.

 

[Truth7t7]

Read it a thousand times (joke intended). Nothing changes about the separation between the second coming and his later coming to the GWTJ where that future tense verb is used in that verse to show the eternal destruction does not happen at the SC.

Of course Matthew 25:31-46 is the second coming, of course final judgement takes place as verse 46 clearly shows, you will to continue to argue against God's very clear words of Truth, a scary thing!

(The Final Judgement)

1.) Everlasting Punishment
2.) Life Eternal

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

 

[Davy]

Jesus only kills an army at the second coming, Rev 19. The passage also uses a future tense verb proving the RULE over the nations does not happen during the slaughter at Armageddon but Amill doesn't like Greek future tense verbs :)

Not only that, but Zechariah 14:16 reveals there will be 'leftovers' not destroyed of the armies that will have come up against Jerusalem on the last day.

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

 

[jeffweeder]

Of course Matthew 25:31-46 is the second coming, of course final judgement takes place as verse 46 clearly shows, you will to continue to argue against God's very clear words of Truth, a scary thing!

(The Final Judgement)

1.) Everlasting Punishment
2.) Life Eternal

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

It appears that some folks are not satisfied with the clear teachings of Matt 25 and 2Thess 1 when it comes to what transpires at the Lords second coming to glorify us.

They would rather rely on their own understanding of the visions of Revelation and Zechariah (as always) that massively undermine the plainly stated words of our Lord and Savior. Shame.

 

[ewq1938]

They would rather rely on their own understanding of the visions of Revelation and Zechariah (as always) that massively undermine the plainly stated words of our Lord and Savior. Shame.

Not only that but the same people ignore the Greek future tense verbs used in places because they believe certain events must take place at the same time as other events do. Can you believe they just ignore them? Yes, SHAME for sure.

 

[jeffweeder]

Not only that but the same people ignore the Greek future tense verbs used in places because they believe certain events must take place at the same time as other events do. Can you believe they just ignore them? Yes, SHAME for sure.

The second coming, our glorification and the everlasting punishment all happen in the future.

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

First and foremost the Lord is coming in vengeance to eternally separate the ungodly

.5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

So Paul is correct in emphasizing it would be the same day/time he appears. The last day.

 

[ewq1938]

The second coming, our glorification and the everlasting punishment all happen in the future.

And the the everlasting punishment happens in the future from the second coming and glorification. That's what Greek Grammar and the future tense verb I mentioned proves. Saying it's all future from today's date is irrelevant info since we all know that already making your post red herring fallacy related because changing the topic away from that future tense verb is what an Amill argument must do.

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

First and foremost the Lord is coming in vengeance to eternally separate the ungodly

False. It is not an eternal separation until over a thousand years after the second coming. That's why the writer used a furture tense verb to show that happens in the future from the second coming events.

.5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

So Paul is correct in emphasizing it would be the same day/time he appears. The last day.

Paul does no such thing. You are misrepresenting this topic, as has been shown.

 

[Truth7t7]

False. It is not an eternal separation until over a thousand years after the second coming. That's why the writer used a furture tense verb to show that happens in the future from the second coming events.

No such thing as 1,000 year kingdom on this earth "After" the second coming, Jesus returns in fire destruction (The End) on (The Last Day)

 

[ewq1938]

No such thing as 1,000 year kingdom on this earth "After" the second coming, Jesus returns in fire destruction (The End) on (The Last Day)

False.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

All? did Jesus kill all humans globally when Sodom was burned?

The reference to Sodom refers to what will cause the destruction when Jesus returns, which will be fire, as can be clearly seen in 2 Peter 3:10-12. The reference to the flood of Noah's day refers to the scope of the destruction, which will be global, as also can be clearly seen in 2 Peter 3:10-12 as well as Matthew 24:35-39 where Jesus talks about heaven and earth passing away when He returns, resulting in all unbelievers in the world being killed just as occurred in Noah's day.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The second coming, our glorification and the everlasting punishment all happen in the future.

9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day

First and foremost the Lord is coming in vengeance to eternally separate the ungodly

.5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].

So Paul is correct in emphasizing it would be the same day/time he appears. The last day.

Exactly. Very clearly, the judgment of all people happens when He comes again rather than the wicked being judged 1,000+ years later as Premils falsely believe. That is very clearly indicated by Jesus Himself in Matthew 25:31-46.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Of course Matthew 25:31-46 is the second coming, of course final judgement takes place as verse 46 clearly shows, you will to continue to argue against God's very clear words of Truth, a scary thing!

(The Final Judgement)

1.) Everlasting Punishment
2.) Life Eternal

Matthew 25:46KJV
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

It couldn't be more obvious, but Premils still miss it because of their extreme doctrinal bias.