8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

[PinSeeker]

You of course forget that the Old Testament prophets were given to speak of Christ's future reign over the unsaved...

I forget nothing, and agree the Old Testament prophets were speaking of Christ's millennial reign... which is now... and of His eternal reign, in eternity, of course, in the New Haven and New Earth, which is as yet future. But again, His millennial reign is doing so now, in terms of ruling over all nations.

, per Psalms 2, Zechariah 14, Isaiah 24:22-24 and even Peter in 2 Peter 3:8-9, and even Apostle Paul when he spoke of the "day of Christ", which is about the day of Christ's future coming and start of His reign.

Which has come; Jesus said so Himself, several times, most notably to Pontius Pilate just before His crucifixion:

"Pilate entered his headquarters again and called Jesus and said to him, 'Are you the King of the Jews?' Jesus answered, 'Do you say this of your own accord, or did others say it to you about me?' "​

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Comment: This is an implicit but unmistakeable 'yes' from Jesus in answer to Pilate's question...​

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"Pilate answered, 'Am I a Jew? Your own nation and the chief priests have delivered you over to me. What have you done?' Jesus answered, 'My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But My kingdom is not from the world.' Then Pilate said to Him, 'So you are a king?' Jesus answered, 'You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world ~ to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to My voice.' ” [John 18:33-37]​

the Scripture does not have to specifically state the phrase "thousand years" to be pointed to by the Old Testament prophets...

Sure. Agreed.

...Apostle Paul got that above idea from...

Paul knew Christ was reigning even in his day, not "would be at some point thousands of years in the future" ~ except in a continuing sense ~ as we see throughout his letters.

...not from Apostle John after 96 A.D.

Well, right; As I'm sure you know, Paul died quite some time before John wrote his Revelation. Paul certainly knew of Christ's reign and preeminence over the world as God's "firstborn," just as ~ in the lesser sense, of course, King David was made by God the "firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth," (Psalm 89:27) over Israel in the Old Testament... Colossians 1 comes quickly to mind. Jesus is the Greater David.

Grace and peace to you, Davy. And a happy Thanksgiving to you.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Davy]

I forget nothing, and agree the Old Testament prophets were speaking of Christ's millennial reign... which is now... and of His eternal reign, in eternity, of course, in the New Haven and New Earth, which is as yet future. But again, His millennial reign is doing so now, in terms of ruling over all nations.

The Amill doctrine of men you follow has you fooled terribly, for Lord Jesus Christ is definitely NOT... reigning over ALL NATIONS on earth today.

It's foolishness to even think that with wars still going on, and world Communism still at work and radical Islam still attacking Christians, especially overseas, and the amount of evil still going on in this world, how can someone be so deceived?

Even Apostle Peter showed that Satan is still free today walking about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour...

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

 

[rwb]

The Amill doctrine of men you follow has you fooled terribly, for Lord Jesus Christ is definitely NOT... reigning over ALL NATIONS on earth today.

It's foolishness to even think that with wars still going on, and world Communism still at work and radical Islam still attacking Christians, especially overseas, and the amount of evil still going on in this world, how can someone be so deceived?

Even Apostle Peter showed that Satan is still free today walking about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour...

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

Romans 15:9-12 (KJV) And that the Gentiles [nations] might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, [nations] and sing unto thy name. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, [nations] with his people. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; [nations] and laud him, all ye people. And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles [nations] trust.

Christ is reigning over ALL NATIONS now! In this passage Paul enforces this fact when saying five times that Christ NOW reigns over faithful Gentiles (nations) with faithful Jews.

You seem to be under the impression that Christ cannot reign over ALL nations, Gentiles, now because the adversary and evil is still present in this world. Scripture shows us the devil and evil shall have rule overall, both Israel & all Gentiles (nations) in unbelief until Christ comes again to make a complete end of the devil, all death and all evil. Premillennialism has deceived you into believing Christ, since He ascended to heaven has not been reigning over all who have been born again from not only Israel but also reigning over all faithful Gentiles (nations) throughout the whole world.

Acts 1:2 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.


Strong's Greek Dictionary
1484. ἔθνος ethnos (éthnos)
Search for G1484 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

ἔθνος éthnos, eth'-nos - probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually, by implication, pagan):—Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

neuter noun

 

[Davy]

Romans 15:9-12 (KJV) And that the Gentiles [nations] might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, [nations] and sing unto thy name. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, [nations] with his people. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; [nations] and laud him, all ye people. And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles [nations] trust.

Christ is reigning over ALL NATIONS now! In this passage Paul enforces this fact when saying five times that Christ NOW reigns over faithful Gentiles (nations) with faithful Jews.

Sorry but no, you cannot... just slap Christ's future LITERAL reign over all nations into the time when Apostle Paul said that. Paul was quoting Isaiah about Christ's coming to offer The Promise by Faith of The Gospel. It didn't mean Paul was teaching that Christ's future LITERAL KINGDOM on earth had then come. That's one of the problems of men's false doctrine called Preterism, and Full Preterism even makes a worse case out of that!

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence.
KJV

The idea is that Christ's Kingdom (literal physical kingdom), is NOT of this present world age. Only His Kingdom by The Spirit came for His 1st coming, which is why He said the kingdom is "within you", meaning in the spirit of the believer by The Holy Spirit. But at His future 2nd coming... that is when His PHYSICAL LITERAL KINGDOM will come, UPON THIS EARTH, literally over all nations. Have you not read Zechariah 14:16-21 where He showed those nations in that future time of His Kingdom that refuse to come up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship the KING, and keep the feast of tabernacles, there will be no rain upon their lands? Do we see that happening today? Of course not. That is for His future LITERAL RETURN.

So who... would be against the idea of Jesus' future LITERAL RETURN back to this earth, like God's Word says? The devil and his servants, that's who.

 

[Davidpt]

Romans 15:9-12 (KJV) And that the Gentiles [nations] might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, [nations] and sing unto thy name. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, [nations] with his people. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; [nations] and laud him, all ye people. And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles [nations] trust.

Christ is reigning over ALL NATIONS now! In this passage Paul enforces this fact when saying five times that Christ NOW reigns over faithful Gentiles (nations) with faithful Jews.

You seem to be under the impression that Christ cannot reign over ALL nations, Gentiles, now because the adversary and evil is still present in this world. Scripture shows us the devil and evil shall have rule overall, both Israel & all Gentiles (nations) in unbelief until Christ comes again to make a complete end of the devil, all death and all evil. Premillennialism has deceived you into believing Christ, since He ascended to heaven has not been reigning over all who have been born again from not only Israel but also reigning over all faithful Gentiles (nations) throughout the whole world.

Acts 1:2 (KJV) Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:9-11 (KJV) And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Daniel 7:13-14 (KJV) I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.


Strong's Greek Dictionary
1484. ἔθνος ethnos (éthnos)
Search for G1484 in KJVSL; in KJV; load in ESI.

ἔθνος éthnos, eth'-nos - probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe; specially, a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually, by implication, pagan):—Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

neuter noun

For, example. An evil nation, such as North Korea. Explain how Christ is reigning over a nation like that? Explain why all the evil North Korea does, that it is because reigns over that nation?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

As we already know, Amils insist the millennium pertains to the here and now.

What I am thinking is this, though. There are 7 days in a week and that the 8th day is always a new beginning of a new week.

Sunday--day 1 of the week
Monday--day 2 of the week
Tuesday--day 3 of the week
Wednesday--day 4 of the week
Thursday--day 5 of the week
Friday--day 6 of the week
Saturday--day 7 of the week
Sunday--day 1 of a new week, thus 8 days later.

By Amils insisting that the millennium is now and that when Christ returns the new and final beginning of a new era commences, they are implying that day 7 is a new beginning not day 8. Except day 7 can't be a new beginning if it is the end of the week rather than the beginning of a new week.

Apparently, if assuming days to be involving a thousand years, we are in day 6 since the fall of man. And that it is not logical that day 6 and day 7 can parallel one another. It can't be both at the same time. Which means their view is even more absurd than I initially thought, because, when Christ returns can't even be meaning the 7th day if they are already applying the 7th day to the here and now. And it for sure can't be meaning the 8th day since everyone already knows that 7 comes after 6, not 8.

I don't know what it is about some of these interpreters at times, that they can't even comprehend simple basic math? As if any week can only consist of 6 days rather than 7 days, and that 2 of these days are meaning the same day, meaning day 6 and 7 in this case, and that day 8 comes after day 6 rather than day 7. Nowhere in the Bible that I am aware of does day 7 ever mean a new beginning. But that doesn't even matter in this case since Amils are having day 6 and 7 run in parallel rather than following one another. Their view has to be one of the most absurd views there is, right up there along with Pretrib, for example. Not that Amil and Pretrib have anything in common theologically, but that both views are absurd and make no logical sense.

Right! Day 7 is the Millennium ruled by the Lord of the Sabbath. That is still future starting with the actual return of Jesus Christ, not a figment of someone's imagination.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

What has this to do with the Bible? Absolutely nothing. Just more bias and non-objective theological ramblings from you, with zero biblical basis!

Wrong. It was prophesied in Hosea 6:1-3. The two days of God's spanking the Jews are now in the 2,000 years since Jesus, and the one day is the Millennium where the Jews will be saved.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

David,

There is some logic to your observations stated above, but you are speculating. All good, but not conclusive and not completely accurate.

The model to follow and consider is the seven days of creation, wherein the seventh day is a day of rest. Meaning, those who are to enter into God's rest have done so, and rest in Him...for evermore.

The eight day is provided in the scriptures to describe and show that: Even following the time of all who are to enter into God's rest have done so, there is to be a "convocation"--a reading of the books.

That's it.

There is more to be said about the seventh day...and there is (it is written), but the model is six days of labor in approaching the rest of God, the seventh day referring to eternity, and the eighth day foretelling the reading following the Judgement.

This has to do, not with the Gentiles as you are implying, but the salvation of the Jews. Romans 11:26.

 

[PinSeeker]

The Amill doctrine of men you follow has you fooled terribly...

Well, fair enough, but while I wouldn't use the phrase "has you fooled terribly" with regard to you, I would say you are just as mistaken as you think I am, Davy. I will say... right back atcha, in that respect. <smile>

for Lord Jesus Christ is definitely NOT... reigning over ALL NATIONS on earth today.

Well, the Lord Jesus Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father, and as such, He is. Now, it may not seem to us that His is (reigning), and/or it may not look like we want it to look or even think it should, but... well, our perspective is very limited and finite. <smile> In the words of God Himself ~ through the prophet Isaiah, of course:

"...My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways... For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways and My thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven and do not return there but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall My word be that goes out from My mouth; it shall not return to Me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it" (Isaiah 55:8-11).​

It's foolishness to even think that with wars still going on, and world Communism still at work and radical Islam still attacking Christians, especially overseas, and the amount of evil still going on in this world...

If one does not think God orders ~ 'orders' in the sense of "working all things together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28) ~ all things and does not or cannot see that God is over all things, even sin, in that He even uses sin (sinlessly, of course) to bring all things to pass according to His will, then he or she is very... limited, although maybe that won't remain the case... in his or her thinking... in realizing the greatness of God.

Even Apostle Peter showed that Satan is still free today walking about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour...

Sure, but Satan cannot do one thing without God's permission. And Satan is absolutely bound in the sense that he can do absolutely nothing to prevent the spread of the Gospel to all nations, as he once could ~ before the coming of Jesus; but even this was according to God's design, purpose, and will. Jesus affirmed this in Matthew 12:28-29 ~ "...if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can Someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless He first binds the strong man? Then indeed He may plunder his house..." ~ and Mark 3:27 ~ "no one can enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless He first binds the strong man. Then indeed He may plunder his house."

But back to the immediate point, again, if by Peter's statement that "Satan is still free today 'walking about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour' " one understands God to be not over all things at all times, even Satan himself, and/or not working absolutely everything together according to the council of His own perfect will and glory... and in that way not reigning over all things at all times, then that man (or woman) is... well, very short-sighted and limited in his or her thinking, not fully understanding the power and majesty and splendor of our great God. I mean, that's the very theme of John's Revelation, actually, that God is in control at all times, making all things new, and... Jesus wins, and all things will be made new. <smile> As Paul writes to the Corinthians, "...thanks be to God, Who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 15:57).

Grace and peace to you, Davy.

 

[PinSeeker]

This has to do, not with the Gentiles as you are implying, but the salvation of the Jews. Romans 11:26.

Ah, 1stCenturyLady, but who does Paul, in Romans 2:28-29, define true Jews of God to be? <smile> He writes, "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical... a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit..." And even in the immediate part of his letter to the Romans that you cite, more fully, Paul writes, "a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved..." (Romans 11:25-26). God's Isreal includes both ethnic Jews and Gentiles ~ all those whom He calls ~ which is exactly what Paul has just said in Romans 9:24: "...even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles..."

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

For, example. An evil nation, such as North Korea. Explain how Christ is reigning over a nation like that? Explain why all the evil North Korea does, that it is because reigns over that nation?

RWB will probably respond to you here in a very similar manner to what I said to Davy above in Post 109. See above. <smile> Or... you know, not meaning to sound conceited or egotistical, of course, but he might just say, "What PinSeeker said." <chuckles>

Grace and peace to you, David.

 

[ScottA]

This has to do, not with the Gentiles as you are implying, but the salvation of the Jews. Romans 11:26.

No, Daniel's prophecy shows Messiah being cut off in the middle of the week (7 days), between the times of the house of Israel and the times of the gentiles.

 

[Marilyn C]

Their view has to be one of the most absurd views there is, right up there along with Pretrib, for example. Not that Amil and Pretrib have anything in common theologically, but that both views are absurd and make no logical sense.

Hi David,

The pretrib, makes great sense. You see the Body of Christ will be enthroned with the Lord on His own throne in the highest, (Rev. 3: 21) before the trib. (Acts 3: 20 & 21 & Joel 2: 1 & 2)

From that throne will begin the judgments upon the world system and fallen angels. (1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3)

I`m sure those scriptures will give us much to discuss.

 

[rwb]

For, example. An evil nation, such as North Korea. Explain how Christ is reigning over a nation like that? Explain why all the evil North Korea does, that it is because reigns over that nation?

Christ is reigning over those who believe in Him in North Korea. North Korea like every other nation of the world except Israel are Gentiles. It is through Gentiles of faith, even those Gentiles in North Korea that Christ is reigning over. Where did you ever get the idea that Christ would reign over every Gentile in every nation? Christ is now, since He ascended to heaven and received a Kingdom, reigning over Gentiles (nations) who have been born again! Christ does NOT reign over Jews or Gentiles in unbelief. Because those in unbelief are of their father the devil, and the devil rules and reigns over them. This will not change until seventh angel sounds and "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

That's when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of the Lord for ever and ever. Not of this earth now, but after this earth has passed away, all the kingdoms now shall be the Kingdom of God on the new earth. All the Gentiles (nations) of this world are the kingdoms of the devil, which is why he was able to tempt Christ in the wilderness, promising he would give Christ all the kingdoms of this world if Christ would only bow down and worship him. The ONE Kingdom of God in heaven is not now of this world, because His Kingdom now is the ONE spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven. This is the Kingdom comprised of whosoever has been born again, whether a Jew (Israel) or Gentile (nations), that Christ NOW rules and reigns over, and all who belong to Him according to grace through faith are spiritually speaking ruling and reigning with Christ now and forevermore.

John 18:36 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 4:5-7 (KJV) And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

Revelation 11:15 (KJV) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 12:10 (KJV) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Revelation 12:11 (KJV) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Ah, 1stCenturyLady, but who does Paul, in Romans 2:28-29, define true Jews of God to be? <smile> He writes, "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical... a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit..." And even in the immediate part of his letter to the Romans that you cite, more fully, Paul writes, "a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved..." (Romans 11:25-26). God's Isreal includes both ethnic Jews and Gentiles ~ all those whom He calls ~ which is exactly what Paul has just said in Romans 9:24: "...even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles..."

Grace and peace to you.

blindness in part has happened to Israel until

That is speaking of the promises to national Israel when their blindness is removed. Are you saying that born again national Jews are still blind Remember, this does not include Gentiles. Though, lukewarm Gentile Christians are also being saved, but at the cost of their lives. No new Gentiles will be saved during the Great Tribulation. How do I know? Because they already have robes, though dirty, and wash them in the blood of the Lamb. Heathen Gentiles are naked.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No, Daniel's prophecy shows Messiah being cut off in the middle of the week (7 days), between the times of the house of Israel and the times of the gentiles.

I don't read it that way. That last week is after 70 AD, so has to be the time of the beast in our future.

 

[rwb]

Sorry but no, you cannot... just slap Christ's future LITERAL reign over all nations into the time when Apostle Paul said that. Paul was quoting Isaiah about Christ's coming to offer The Promise by Faith of The Gospel. It didn't mean Paul was teaching that Christ's future LITERAL KINGDOM on earth had then come. That's one of the problems of men's false doctrine called Preterism, and Full Preterism even makes a worse case out of that!

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence.
KJV

The idea is that Christ's Kingdom (literal physical kingdom), is NOT of this present world age. Only His Kingdom by The Spirit came for His 1st coming, which is why He said the kingdom is "within you", meaning in the spirit of the believer by The Holy Spirit. But at His future 2nd coming... that is when His PHYSICAL LITERAL KINGDOM will come, UPON THIS EARTH, literally over all nations. Have you not read Zechariah 14:16-21 where He showed those nations in that future time of His Kingdom that refuse to come up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship the KING, and keep the feast of tabernacles, there will be no rain upon their lands? Do we see that happening today? Of course not. That is for His future LITERAL RETURN.

So who... would be against the idea of Jesus' future LITERAL RETURN back to this earth, like God's Word says? The devil and his servants, that's who.

There shall never be a literal/physical Kingdom of God upon this earth! If the Kingdom of God were established on this earth it would not be forever, as Christ has promised! Because everything physical upon this earth is destined to utter destruction through the fiery flames that shall come down from heaven on the last day.

There will however be a literal/physical Kingdom upon the New Earth, because the new earth shall be forever!

 

[David in NJ]

David,

There is some logic to your observations stated above, but you are speculating. All good, but not conclusive and not completely accurate.

The model to follow and consider is the seven days of creation, wherein the seventh day is a day of rest. Meaning, those who are to enter into God's rest have done so, and rest in Him...for evermore.

The eight day is provided in the scriptures to describe and show that: Even following the time of all who are to enter into God's rest have done so, there is to be a "convocation"--a reading of the books.

That's it.

There is more to be said about the seventh day...and there is (it is written), but the model is six days of labor in approaching the rest of God, the seventh day referring to eternity, and the eighth day foretelling the reading following the Judgement.

The 8th DAY is REAL my Brother

Question is = When does the 8th Day BEGIN???

i believe i know based on CLEAR Scriptural Evidence

Shalom

 

[David in NJ]

I don't read it that way. That last week is after 70 AD, so has to be the time of the beast in our future.

Are you referring to the 70th week as = "the last week" ???

 

[rwb]

blindness in part has happened to Israel until

That is speaking of the promises to national Israel when their blindness is removed. Are you saying that born again national Jews are still blind Remember, this does not include Gentiles. Though, lukewarm Gentile Christians are also being saved, but at the cost of their lives. No new Gentiles will be saved during the Great Tribulation. How do I know? Because they already have robes, though dirty, and wash them in the blood of the Lamb. Heathen Gentiles are naked.

Where does Paul write the blindness in part shall be removed? Paul says only that when the fullness of the Gentiles come in, "all Israel shall be saved." That alone proves Israel in view in not ethnic Jews or unbelieving Jews in hardness, rather Paul is saying Israel that shall be saved is saved through Gentiles being grafted into the good olive tree (that part never in blindness) with them. It is in this manner that all Israel saved is the Israel of God that is neither Jew nor Gentile but Christians!

Paul does not say that God turns away ungodliness from Israel. Rather he says the Deliverer shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Who is Jacob, and why didn't Paul continue to address the nation as Israel when speaking about all Israel belonging to Jacob that shall be saved?

Romans 11:25-26 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Because salvation did not come through the ethnic people called Israel of the flesh. Salvation comes through the SEED (Christ) of promise that comes from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. IOW salvation is not of the ethnic seeds (as many) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but of the supernatural SEED that is not limited to Israel alone, but to Gentiles also.