Do you believe this statement: "Jesus is YHWH", Yes or No?

[dak]

(Poll) A simple Yes or No answer:
Do you believe and agree with the following statement: "Jesus is YHWH."
Yes or No?

Feel free to post and explain why or why not in the thread.

 

[Matthias]

No. I’m a Jewish monotheist.

The trinitarian makes the concession to Jewish monotheism.

 

[dak]

No. I’m a Jewish monotheist.

The trinitarian makes the concession to Jewish monotheism.

Amen, and thanks for voting and for posting the video.

 

[Matthias]

Amen, and thanks for voting and for posting the video.

Many trinitarians know that Jesus isn’t Yahweh but nevertheless remain trinitarian (believing that God is Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit - which is what Dr. Witherington believes.) It will be interesting to see how many of them respond to your poll.

 

[shepherdsword]

Jesus is YHVH manifested in human flesh.

Ex 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[shepherdsword]

Many trinitarians know that Jesus isn’t Yahweh but nevertheless remain trinitarian (believing that God is Yahweh, Jesus, Holy Spirit - which is what Dr. Witherington believes.)

And Dr Witherington is as mistaken as you are. Jesus is YHVH manifested in human flesh.

 

[Matthias]

And Dr Witherington is as mistaken as you are.

Yahweh is the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah.

Jesus is YHVH manifested in human flesh.

I agree that he is.

 

[dak]

Jesus is YHVH manifested in human flesh.

Ex 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jn 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Thanks for voting.

 

[Matthias]

Yahweh is the God and Father of our lord Jesus Messiah.

Jesus, the Messiah, is the Son of Yahweh.

 

[HealthyShape]

Depends on if you define YHWH to be specifically the Father (in that case no, Jesus is not the Father) or if you define YHWH to represent the triune God, regardless of person (in that case yes, Jesus is God).

 

[Matthias]

More trinitarian commentary (for trinitarian and non-trinitarian consideration).

”We are not to suppose that the apostles identified Christ with Jehovah; there were passages which made this impossible, for instance, Ps. CX.1, …”

(Charles Bigg, International Critical Commentary on 1 Peter, p. 99)

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Jehovah = Yahweh.

Dr. Bigg (Church of England) directs our attention to the critically important Psalm 110:1 -> the most frequently quoted or alluded to passage from the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament in the New Testament; highly influential on the thinking of the Messiah, the apostles, and primitive Christianity.

 

[dak]

Depends on if you define YHWH to be specifically the Father (in that case no, Jesus is not the Father) or if you define YHWH to represent the triune God, regardless of person (in that case yes, Jesus is God).

The Torah defines this for me.

Deuteronomy 32:4 TS2009 ("The Scriptures")
6 “Do you do this to יהוה, O foolish and unwise people? Is He not your Father, who bought you, Who created you and established you?

 

[HealthyShape]

The Torah defines this for me.

Deuteronomy 32:4 TS2009 ("The Scriptures")
6 “Do you do this to יהוה, O foolish and unwise people? Is He not your Father, who bought you, Who created you and established you?

Regarding Trinity, when we say "the Father", we mean a specific person of Trinity, not a wide title usage like "the father of people". The same applies to the Son.

 

[TazzJazz]

Jesus is YHWH?

Of course not!

YHWH was who Jesus prayed to, when he was on the Earth!

Who do you think said from Heaven, "This is my son the beloved, listen to him"?

 

[dak]

Regarding Trinity, when we say "the Father", we mean a specific person of Trinity, not a wide title usage like "the father of people". The same applies to the Son.

Regarding the olive tree of all Yisrael:

YHWH is Abba, Father, and Abbi, my Father. Otherwise one cannot be placed among His sons, (Jer 3:4, Jer 3:19, in the full context of the chapter), and the Meshiah-Anointed One also confirms this in Mark 14:36, and likewise Paul affirms the same by the Spirit of adoption which we have received, Rom 8:15.

 

[dak]

Jesus is YHWH?

Of course not!

YHWH was who Jesus prayed to, when he was on the Earth!

Who do you think said from Heaven, "This is my son the beloved, listen to him"?

Great, I agree, so why not cast a vote? :)

Oops, sorry I jumped the gun, I see that you just did. Thanks for voting.

 

[HealthyShape]

Regarding the olive tree of all Yisrael:

YHWH is Abba, Father, and Abbi, my Father. Otherwise one cannot be placed among His sons, (Jer 3:4, Jer 3:19, in the full context of the chapter), and the Meshiah-Anointed One also confirms this in Mark 14:36, and likewise Paul affirms the same by the Spirit of adoption which we have received, Rom 8:15.

Well, as I said earlier, if you define YHWH to be specifically referring to the Father, then Jesus is not YHWH, obviously. Because Jesus is the Son.

 

[dak]

Well, as I said earlier, if you define YHWH to be specifically referring to the Father, then Jesus is not YHWH, obviously. Because Jesus is the Son.

This response only causes me now to think that for some reason you have found yourself a way to stay on the fence. The question is why? Why would you have such a need to do so when the scripture plainly defines the reality for us? I suspect that it is because you know what real Trinitarians believe. YHWH is the Father, and true Trinitarians know that, and there is no reason or excuse to reduce the Tetragrammaton Name of the Father to "God" when the scripture has already made the truth clear and known.

Isaiah 63:16-19 TS2009 (w/Footnotes)
16 For You are our Father, though Aḇraham does not know us, and Yisra’ĕl does not recognise us. You, O יהוה, are our Father, our Redeemer – Your Name is from of old.
17 O יהוה, why do You make us stray from Your ways, and harden our heart from Your fear? Turn back, for the sake of Your servants, the tribes of Your inheritance.
18 For a little while Your set-apart people possessed it – our adversaries have trodden down Your set-apart place.a Footnote: aPsa 74:1-23, Psa 79:1-13, Jer 51:51, Lam 1:10, Dan 8:13, Dan 11:31, Mat 24:15.
19 We have become like those over whom You never ruled – Your Name is not called on them!

 

[HealthyShape]

This response only causes me now to think that for some reason you have found yourself a way to stay on the fence. The question is why?

Becase it is not relevant for me in any way. The New Testament does not work with the Jewish YHWH tetragrammaton, so I can allow myself to think about various views about it.

I suspect that it is because you know what real Trinitarians believe. YHWH is the Father, and true Trinitarians know that, and there is no reason or excuse to reduce the Tetragrammaton Name of the Father to "God" when the scripture has already made the truth clear and known.

True trinitarians, real trinitarians... OK.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings shepherdsword,

Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Most translations and commentators accept the present tense “I am that I am”, but notice in the margin of the RV (or ASV) and RSV, an alternative is given “I will be that I will be” or “I will be what I will be”, showing that some modern scholars suggest this alternative reading. Although not popular it appears that this future tense is the correct translation.

Not only modern scholars, Tyndale also translated this in the future tense, and I also like the interesting spelling of his time and the specific spelling “I wilbe”:

Exodus 3:12-14 (Tyndale): 12 And he sayde: I wilbe with the. And this shalbe a token vnto the that I haue sent the: after that thou hast broughte the people out of Egipte, ye shall serue God vppon this mountayne. 13 Than sayde Moses vnto God: when I come vnto the childern of Israell and saye vnto them, the God of youre fathers hath sent me vnto you, ad they saye vnto me, what ys his name, what answere shall I geuethem? 14 Then sayde God vnto Moses: I wilbe what I wilbe: ad he sayde, this shalt thou saye vnto the children of Israel: I wilbe dyd send me to you.

Kind regards
Trevor