Flat Earth Theory

[Rudometkin]

Come on, read properly. This post of mine was related to your question how sunrise/sunsets prove the globe. Follow the citations and replies.

You said: "my reply belongs to your post I quoted."

If you read my post properly, that was part of my post. I already asked for clarity earlier, and that's what you told me.

So you ignored or missed my other question? And you're telling me to read properly?

 

[Rudometkin]

I didnt say I flew over the ship to get a "top-down perspective." You're not being honest.

I didn't say you said you flew over a ship. I think you're misunderstood. Also, you assume dishonesty too quickly without solid basis.

You are disqualified.

Okay. What's that supposed to mean?

 

[HealthyShape]

You said: "my reply belongs to your post I quoted."

If you read my post properly, that was part of my post. I already asked for clarity earlier, and that's what you told me.

So you ignored my other question? And you're telling me to read properly?

I am not going to follow you into a rabbit hole of useless conversation about nothing. Go watch sunrise/sunset and look at the Moon.

 

[Rudometkin]

Physics. Use two balls and a light and experiment if you do not understand how it works.

But two balls and a light in my experiment isn't the sun moon and earth. It might not be so much my lack of understanding, but maybe you're assuming (or requiring) a certain position of the sun in order to make your model work.

No, not really.

So you're here to spread dogma about the globe earth theory. Correct me if I'm wrong. (You're saying it's not fair for me to ask you a question about it)

But we are not in the elementary school and you are not a child.

So what? It is fair for an adult to ask another adult outside of school 'how they know something' they are declaring.

Are you proposing it's only fair to ask questions if you're a kid in elementary school? Or what?

You should already have enough of elementary knowledge about the world we live in.

Look, either you're going to defend your position, or you're not.

How do you know it's the Earth's shadow being casted on the moon?

Are you assuming it?

 

[Rudometkin]

In this photo, how do you know the sun isn't positioned on the right side of the moon, and the 'shadow' is just from the right side of the moon blocking the left side from getting sun?

Is the right side of the moon brighter than the center?

 

[Rudometkin]

You have been disqualified.

Okay, what's this supposed to mean? And why haven't you answered my question?

Perhaps you were never qualified to say "ANYTHING curved is an example of the curvature of the earth."

 

[Rudometkin]

I am not going to follow you into a rabbit hole of useless conversation about nothing.

I'm not having a conversation about nothing. So you can't follow me down a "rabbit hole of useless conversation about nothing".

Go watch sunrise/sunset and look at the Moon.

I have, and it lead me here.

 

[Rudometkin]

Most people know it. (That earth is a globe)

How do you know this? Perhaps most people just assume it.

 

[HealthyShape]

In this photo, how do you know the sun isn't positioned on the right side of the moon, and the 'shadow' is just from the right side of the moon blocking the left side from getting sun?

Is the right side of the moon brighter than the center?

Because we know exactly where the Sun is. In every moment. Maybe it is a news to you, but the Sun is quite visible, it is hard to lose it.

It disappears behind the horizon because we live on a planet that rotates, but people in different time zones can see it, when you can't.

 

[Rudometkin]

Because we know exactly where the Sun is. In every moment. Maybe it is a news to you, but the Sun is quite visible, it is hard to lose it.

So it's, "How do you know?" "Because we know".

Is the right side of the moon brighter than the center in that picture? If so, why?

It disappears behind the horizon because we live on a planet that rotates, but people in different time zones can see it, when you can't.

How do you know it isn't smaller and more local, and just disappearing because it's moving away from you and over the people in the other time zones?

 

[HealthyShape]

So it's, "How do you know?" "Because we know".

Because we know it, yes. We can see where the Sun is. You cannot see the Sun during the night, because it is on the other side of the planet.

Is the right side of the moon brighter than the center in that picture? If so, why?

Because the left side is in the shadow, obviously.

How do you know it isn't smaller and more local, and just disappearing because it's moving away from you and over the people in the other time zones?

Because it is not disappearing by moving away (light does not disappear with distance), it goes "down" below the horizon, the same size, then you see just the half and then nothing. Again, watch a sunset.

 

[Rudometkin]

Because we know it, yes. We can see where the Sun is. You cannot see the Sun during the night, because it is on the other side of the planet.

(Notice the fallaciously circular reasoning - we know because we know)

Or, because you're assuming it. When you can't see the sun at night, you can't see it. So are you assuming it's whereabouts after that? You interpret your moon shadow one way, but I don't see you refuting the other interpretation I proposed. You're saying the sun is gone at night because it's on the other side of the supposed globe, but when you can't see it, how can you know where it is? Perhaps it is just further from you over a disk-like earth.

And again, how would you know? Are you assuming?

Because the left side is in the shadow, obviously.

Well how is that obvious? The earth covers the left side, therefore the center is darkened? The moon gets lighter on a gradient? The center is darker because the earth covers the left? The earth is not covering the center of the moon in that photo, is it? Why is the center darker?

How could the earth create a softened shadow at the edges of the moon "shadow" with a single light source, unless the earth itself was a sort of fluffy planet with light gradually protruding through it? It appears obvious to me that the center in that photo is slightly shaded due to the sun creating a dusk/dawn effect on the moon, because it's on the right side of it, and that the shadow is from the moon itself, not the earth.

Then, why does the moon sometimes have a straight shadow down the middle? Does that mean the earth turned into a vertical disk? Or is it because the shadow is from the moon, and not the earth? Perhaps the sun is on one side of the moon, and the moon is in a triangular position relative to the earth and the sun.

Because it is not disappearing by moving away (light does not disappear with distance),

Of course light dissipates with distance. Go buy a cheap little flashlight and shine it on some distant trees at night. The effect of a local 'spotlight' sun is possible.

it goes "down" below the horizon,

I'd say it disappears at the horizon, but yes it appears to go down below. This may be due to it traveling further away from you. An airplane will do this from your perspective, as it flies overhead off into the horizon. When cars drive off, they appear to shrink, eventually into the horizon if the perspective is proper. They'll disappear bottom-up, too. And it is evident you can pull them fully back into frame with a telescope or camera if you zoom far enough. This seems to be how actual basic perspective works.

the same size, then you see just the half and then nothing. Again, watch a sunset.

You say the sun sets appearing the same size, but there is an entire study of atmospheric refraction to explain why the sun appears a different size at the horizon. It could be that the sun is to appear smaller in the horizon as a baseline since it's further away, but appears to distort in size due to atmospheric refraction.

 

[cardiologist]

Not sure if all the water came down, or if there's still a bunch up there

It's still there, Psalm 148 Verse 4:

Praise him, you highest heavens, and you waters above the heavens!

 

[Rudometkin]

Come on, just go outside and look at the Moon. You can see the shape of the Earth on the Moon's surface - the curved shadow.

All that is needed is to understand elementary physics about how shadows are cast. Yes, there is some light behind the Earth, it is called the Sun.

Even NASA themselves declare the only time Earth's shadow affects our view of the moon is during a lunar eclipse (Even that is questionable).

Are Moon phases caused by shadows from Earth?
No. The only time Earth’s shadow affects our view of the Moon is during a lunar eclipse. [science.nasa.gov]

You better tell NASA to just go outside and look at the moon, HealthyShape and all that confidence and talking down you did, who would have thought you also directed it toward NASA

So you say "we" know where the sun is... That's, you and, who? (Not NASA)

Or is it that you just don't have enough elementary knowledge about the world we live in because you didn't 'read properly' in elementary school?

Come on, just go outside and look at the Moon. You can see the shape of the Earth on the Moon's surface - the curved shadow.

Come on, read properly.

You should already have enough of elementary knowledge about the world we live in.

Maybe you need to look at the moon.

God bless you, and maybe this is a time to be humbled and treat honest inquiries with more humility and grace. Thanks for participating, HealthyShape.

 

[cardiologist]

look at the Moon.

Selenelions pretty much prove that the shadows on the moon can not be created by the earth.

That poor guy in the video just witnessed that very phenomenon, and evidently confused of what he has witnessed, he is trying to make sense of it (from 1:10 onwards).

So, whatever it is that created the shadow on the moon, it is not consistent with the whole model we are being presented with.

 

[HealthyShape]

@Rudometkin I will not go into the rabbit hole of the flat earth absurd conspiracy theories and retarded reasoning.

I will say again - go out, in the real world, look at the sunrise, look at the Moon and if you think there is the Sun somewhere to the right, just look there, move your head and you will see if it is there.

 

[HealthyShape]

Selenelions pretty much prove that the shadows on the moon can not be created by the earth.

That poor guy in the video just witnessed that very phenomenon, and evidently confused of what he has witnessed, he is trying to make sense of it (from 1:10 onwards).

So, whatever it is that created the shadow on the moon, it is not consistent with the whole model we are being presented with.

Forget youtube, go outside in the real life and check.

 

[cardiologist]

Forget youtube, go outside in the real life and check.

The guy you see on youtube went outside in the real life, and checked. You can see Selenelions outside in the real life. No one disputes that.

 

[HealthyShape]

The guy you see on youtube went outside in the real life, and checked. You can see Selenelions outside in the real life. No one disputes that.

Not "the guy", but you go outside. Watch sunsets, sunrises, eclipses, the phases of the Moon. Look for the Sun.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Or, because you're assuming it. When you can't see the sun at night, you can't see it. So are you assuming it's whereabouts after that? You interpret your moon shadow one way, but I don't see you refuting the other interpretation I proposed. You're saying the sun is gone at night because it's on the other side of the supposed globe, but when you can't see it, how can you know where it is? Perhaps it is just further from you over a disk-like earth.

This should help. :)