The Religion That Hates the Truth It Pretends to Preach

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a MUST-SEE reminder for you Today from the WRITTEN words of LIFE - John 6:63

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.
The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

My neighbours plants he gives me are alive. These vegetables give me life when I eat them. But do I have a relationship with the plants or the person who grew them and gave them to me.

I love the Gardener because He first decided to love me. I appreciate the life producing words He downloads into me and the fruit that grows as a result. But I have a living dynamic personal intimate relationship with the Gardener and the Vine not the water fertiliser sap or fruit They give or produce.

We love and worship the Creator not what He spoke into existence.

 

[One 2 question]

Yes and I know what you are going to say. It has to line up with scripture.

Yes. Lines up with. So one can draw a continuous line but it must line up with the original short limited line.

Are you saying that as long as the Spirit begins with what He has said historically, then He has your ok to continue to go beyond the scriptures and continue developing those truths.

 

[One 2 question]

Yes and I know what you are going to say. It has to line up with scripture.

Why is there so much fear around going beyond the pages of the bible? The resistance is incredible. Complete love casts out all fear. Will our sovereign Father give us lies while we seek truth. Hasn't He given us His very Spirit to protect us from the lies as He leads us to explore every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Most are not contained in 66 or 73 books.

 

[David in NJ]

My neighbours plants he gives me are alive. These vegetables give me life when I eat them. But do I have a relationship with the plants or the person who grew them and gave them to me.

I love the Gardener because He first decided to love me. I appreciate the life producing words He downloads into me and the fruit that grows as a result. But I have a living dynamic personal intimate relationship with the Gardener and the Vine not the water fertiliser sap or fruit They give or produce.

We love and worship the Creator not what He spoke into existence.

Maybe take another LOOK

"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

Mere words???

 

[Jack]

It's great to be able to simply fix our attention on Jesus hey. With no need for anyone to teach us except for the Spirit of Truth.

Especially from the false christian teaches in their ridiculously divided religion with thousands of different denominations.

Thank God that there is only one Father, one Jesus, one Holy Spirit and one body of Jesus.

Quoting YOU:

"Life with God outside the Bible is great".

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yes. Lines up with. So one can draw a continuous line but it must line up with the original short limited line.

Are you saying that as long as the Spirit begins with what He has said historically, then He has your ok to continue to go beyond the scriptures and continue developing those truths.

I remain humble and obedient to what the Holy Spirit tells me. What He hears from the Father, He tells us.
Basically, you have to look at everything written as our foundation of truth. Everything built on that foundation has to be connected to that truth and our faith grows according to what materials we are using to build on. My foundation is solid in the truth of God's Word and the material I use to build upon it is wisdom, knowledge, and understanding of those truths. The revelation knowledge I receive comes from the Holy Spirit.
We learn from the teachings of scripture. We grow by exercising our faith to act upon those scriptures and be obedient to all it says.
Line upon line, precept upon precept.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Why is there so much fear around going beyond the pages of the bible? The resistance is incredible. Complete love casts out all fear. Will our sovereign Father give us lies while we seek truth. Hasn't He given us His very Spirit to protect us from the lies as He leads us to explore every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Most are not contained in 66 or 73 books.

I have no fear and I study books left out of the Bible as well. The Book of Enoch, The Macabees, The Book of Jubilee....etc. I am led by the Holy Spirit in my studies and He shows me things I didn't see before.

 

[One 2 question]

I have no fear and I study books left out of the Bible as well. The Book of Enoch, The Macabees, The Book of Jubilee....etc. I am led by the Holy Spirit in my studies and He shows me things I didn't see before.

That's great. But how many books would need to be written to exhaust all of God's words He has ever spoken?

Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

 

[One 2 question]

We learn from the teachings of scripture. We grow by exercising our faith to act upon those scriptures and be obedient to all it says.

Yes. And then we hear God communicate to us directly hey. I'm not sure if people are scared to confess that they hear the Holy Spirit speak to them truths that aren't in the bible.

I can understand that a bit as some people can be very aggressive and shout others down on this forum.

 

[Rockerduck]

It is very clear from Scripture that what you are talking about does not come from the Spirit of God. The Bible is very clear in saying the Holy Spirit does not lead a person away from the Word that He inspired. You freely admitted you “rarely consult the Scriptures these days”, yet you talk of “always hearing new revelation, a new direction” and “personal messages”. That alone is enough to know the source is not God. The Spirit of God leads people back to the Word, He never leads them away from it.

Scripture clearly warns there are other spirits that speak and lead and are deceptive by copying spiritual experiences. “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God” ~1 John 4:1. The moment the teaching is off the track of Scripture, the spirit behind it is not from God. What you are following is in direct contradiction to the Word at every turn, that is what exposes the source.

God’s Spirit never gives new doctrine, new truth, or fresh revelation. The Bible already says God has given “all things that pertain unto life and godliness” ~2 Peter 1:3. God did not leave us wanting anything else. Anything that goes beyond what He has given is not of Him. When you say Jesus is speaking new things and that is the way to follow apart from His written Word, Scripture says that voice and spirit is different and not the Shepherd.

Scripture also says that “in the last days people will fall away, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons” ~1 Timothy 4:1. Those spirits are the ones that pull people away from Scripture and away from truth, to trusting in inner voices and so-called “spiritual experiences”. That is exactly what you are doing. You have replaced the written Word of God with your own impressions and experiences and Scripture says plainly that is a sign of spiritual deception, not of spiritual growth.

So let me be blunt with you, because Scripture is blunt with you.
The things you are claiming do not come from the Spirit of God.
They come from another spirit, one that is not from Him.

Scripture warns you to turn from it before it deceives you even more.

Testing the spirits is literally testing false prophet. People faked being a prophet in the Apostle Paul's day. So, a real prophet says one thing and false prophet says another. So you must test the spirit and see which is of God. Paul was not talking about another indwelled spirit, like demons, why would you test them?

 

[David in NJ]

Why is there so much fear around going beyond the pages of the bible? The resistance is incredible. Complete love casts out all fear. Will our sovereign Father give us lies while we seek truth. Hasn't He given us His very Spirit to protect us from the lies as He leads us to explore every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Most are not contained in 66 or 73 books.

Will our sovereign Father give us lies while we seek truth. Most are not contained in 66 or 73 books.

Concerning the Holy Scriptures, the Holy Spirit would never direct you away from His Word.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, HE operates in our spirit to bring us to the TRUTH found in the Scriptures.

Unless one knows the Truth in the Scriptures, he/she will easily be set-up by a counterfeit spirit that the bible calls the spirit of error.
God wants you to know His Word, for this is how we please Him = by obeying His Word.

The foundation of the spirit of error is that there is more to God then His Word and we must find it on our own.
And this is the 'god' you have been led into as satan says: "you shall be as God", "His Word is not the "end all-be all""

Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
2After fasting forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.
3The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4But Jesus answered, “It is written:
‘Man shall not live on bread alone,
but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

5Then the devil took Him to the holy city and set Him on the pinnacle of the temple.
6“If You are the Son of God,” he said, “throw Yourself down. For it is written:
‘He will command His angels concerning You,
and they will lift You up in their hands,
so that You will not strike Your foot
against a stone.’”

7Jesus replied, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’”
8Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.

9“All this I will give You,” he said, “if You will fall down and worship me.”
10“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus told him. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’”

11Then the devil left Him, and angels came and ministered to Him.

 

[bdavidc]

Just a quick question. When Christ lived on earth in human form, did you hear every word He spoke? If you didn't, how would you know if what He brings to me or anyone else isn't what He taught. That is, all those teachings that were never heard by His apostles. Eg. When they had left Jesus to go 2 by 2 to preach in different villages. Probably most, definitely some of what Jesus taught was never documented.

But anyway, Jesus is not a mute Shepherd Who doesn't have the capability to communicate with His sheep. In fact He has greater insight into His Father since He arrived back in heaven. He has greater access to truth now that He sits beside the Father and hears EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF HIS FATHER.

And They have sent their Divine Spokesperson to live in us individually to teach us specifically what They want us to know. Yes, truth that is relevant to the individual and our unique circumstances.

That's why He said,
...I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Unless you are going to claim that the Comforter was only sent to His discipline's who were present with Him at the time.

No, I don’t need to have heard every word Jesus spoke while on this earth, but that does not give you room to say He is teaching you new things. The Bible tells us how we know what Christ taught. He said the Spirit would remind His disciples of what He had said, not bring new teachings. The written Word is the standard by which we test private impressions, not the other way around. “Thy word is truth” ~John 17:17. Whatever claims divine authority outside of Scripture is deception.

You are teaching that Jesus is giving you truths He never recorded. That is error. God commands, “Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar” ~Proverbs 30:6. You are adding to His words and claiming divine authority for it. That is sin and requires repentance.

The Spirit does not issue special revelations to individuals. The faith was “once for all delivered to the saints” ~Jude 3. Once for all means closed and complete, not to be supplemented by your experiences. Scripture is sufficient to make the believer “complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work” ~2 Timothy 3:16-17. Nothing is missing. There is nothing to add with “what God told me.”

When you claim Jesus is giving you teachings not found in Scripture, you are contradicting the very Scriptures you claim to uphold. God says, “If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” ~Isaiah 8:20. The voice you are following is not the voice of the Shepherd. It is the voice of your own imagination.

Repent of this. Stop speaking things in God’s name that He has not spoken. Submit to the Word and stop leading people into deception.

 

[bdavidc]

Thanks.

Again, if you want to stay within the parameters of the limited supply of God's expressed thoughts found in the scriptures then enjoy them.

But for those of us who are continuing to live in a personal relationship with God in Christ in heavenly places then we will go on enjoying Them in Their presence. Whenever They bring to mind what They have already said through Their Spirit in time past I accept them too, even on equal terms with Their direct words. How can I not. They have all come from the Source, the mind of God Who spoke everything into existence.

Listen, what you are calling “hearing from God” is not from God at all. Scripture already told you what this is. You’re not stepping into some higher spiritual place. You’re opening yourself up to spirits that do not speak for the Lord.

You keep lifting your own inner voice above the Word of God, and you talk like your impressions have the same authority as Scripture. The Spirit of God does not lead anyone away from the Word He inspired. Jesus said plainly, “Thy word is truth” ~John 17:17. So if what you’re hearing isn’t already written, it isn’t from Him.

You said God’s Word is a “limited supply” and that you treat whatever you hear in your mind “on equal terms” with Scripture. That alone shows this is not the Holy Spirit speaking. God already warned you, “Do not add to His words” ~Proverbs 30:6. But that is exactly what you’re doing, and you’re claiming He is the One saying it. Jesus confronted the Pharisees for adding their own ideas and calling them the Word of God. You’re doing the same thing.

You say this brings you closer to God, but the Bible says the heart is “deceitful above all things” ~Jeremiah 17:9. That means your heart is not a reliable voice. Your impressions are not His voice. And Scripture says imaginations that rise up against His truth must be torn down, not followed ~2 Corinthians 10:5.

You talk as if this makes you more spiritual, but Scripture says the ones who turn from the Word and follow spiritual impressions are listening to “seducing spirits” and “doctrines of demons” ~1 Timothy 4:1. That is not me being dramatic. That is exactly what the Bible calls it. Spirits that pull people away from the written Word are not the Spirit of God. There is no debate on that.

And God leaves no room for confusion here. “If they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them” ~Isaiah 8:20. No light. Not some. None.

So I am talking to you plainly, the same way Jesus did with the Pharisees who claimed to speak for God while rejecting His Word. What you are hearing is not God. You are being deceived. This is not spiritual maturity. This is spiritual danger. The Shepherd speaks through His Word. Every other voice is a stranger’s voice. And Jesus said His sheep do not follow strangers.

You need to stop trusting these voices, turn away from them, and come back to the Scriptures before this deception pulls you further away from the truth.

 

[bdavidc]

Oh my friend. I'm enjoying the relationship with the Spirit Himself and He invites not only me but whoever will to join us. It is a wonderful encounter, very unique, very personal.

This is not the Spirit of God. You speak as if your interior thoughts and feelings are some kind of passage to greater intimacy with God. But Scripture never describes the Spirit that way. The Spirit brings people into truth, not into emotional experiences that cannot be tested by the Word. When your experiences are greater than Scripture, you are not walking with God.

You continue to describe this cozy, interior experience with “the Spirit Himself,” but Scripture is clear that not every spiritual feeling comes from the Lord. The Bible plainly says that there are spirits that are deceiving spirits ~1 Timothy 4:1. They lead people into feelings that seem spiritual but are not from God at all. The Word is the only standard that reveals the source, and your experiences do not line up with the Spirit described in Scripture.

You may want to read The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis. I am not holding it up as Scripture, but because the patterns in that book lines up perfectly with what you are doing right now. Demons deceive people by turning them inward to their feelings instead of the Word God already gave. They entice people to pursue “inner experiences” that seem profound but have no basis in truth. They keep people focused on their own mind and spiritual moods instead of on the actual God revealed in Scripture. And they love when someone prays to an imagined God they concocted in their own head instead of the real Lord who speaks through His Word.

That is exactly the path you are on. You are following a feeling. You are trusting impressions. You are labeling those impressions “the Spirit.” But Scripture says, “The heart is deceitful above all things” ~Jeremiah 17:9. When you elevate the voice inside your own heart to be God’s voice, you are not walking in truth, but you are opening the door to deception. The Spirit of God never leads a person to trust their feelings. He leads them to trust the Word He inspired.

The voice you are following right now is not the Shepherd’s voice. Jesus said His sheep know His voice, and they run from the voice of strangers. What you are describing here has every characteristic of a stranger’s voice. It does not point you back to Scripture. It does not submit to Scripture. It does not line up with Scripture. And anything that does not line up with the Word of God cannot come from God.

You need to stop trusting these experiences before they lead you further and further away from the truth. Return to the Word. Test everything against Scripture. And renounce anything that does not match what God has already spoken. The Spirit of God will never contradict the Word of God.

 

[bdavidc]

Like Paul, and John my imagination is very active and very much used by the Holy Spirit. It is a God created gift in us and is a well used tool in the Spirit's hand. Personally I don't disregard this gift of God but treasure it and use it regularly.

Jesus used it frequently. Imagine with Me, The kingdom of God is like.....

You’re not Paul, and you’re not John. Nothing you’re doing looks anything like what they taught or lived. They never treated imagination as revelation, and they never told anyone to follow inner pictures or private impressions. Jesus didn’t tell people to trust whatever comes into their mind. He spoke the truth from the Father.

Your imagination is not the Holy Spirit. It is not Scripture. And Scripture says the heart is deceitful ~Jeremiah 17:9. That includes imagination. Stop raising your thoughts to the level of God’s Word. The Spirit speaks through Scripture alone, not through whatever your mind produces.

So let me put it in your own language:
Imagine this… Hell is real. Satan is real. And deceiving people with your imagination is not what a true believer does. If you continue in this, it shows you have never truly known the truth that saves.

 

[bdavidc]

I'm so glad that Jesus added to the church, prophets, those speaking in tongues, those who could interpret, word of wisdom, word of knowledge....

1 Cor 12 :7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

The Spirit leading the church into all truth. Yes, those who were being carried along by the very same Spirit Who carried people along over the past 6000 years. A few even documented what they observed the same Spirit doing around them.

The gifts you listed are real, but none of them mean new revelation. Not one. Paul never said “word of wisdom” or “word of knowledge” is new truth from God. He said the gifts are for the profit of the church, not for rewriting or adding to Scripture. The Spirit’s gifts apply the truth God already gave. They do not add to it.

Prophecy in the early church did not replace Scripture, correct Scripture, or compete with Scripture. And even then, Paul said, “Do not go beyond what is written” ~1 Corinthians 4:6. Every true gift submits to the Word. None of them create new doctrine.

The Spirit may give gifts, but He does not give new revelation. The Bible is complete, and anything you claim beyond it is not from God.

 

[bdavidc]

What do YOU mean by the words, God breathed?

When I say “God breathed,” I am using the literal words of Scripture. Paul said, “All Scripture is God-breathed” ~2 Timothy 3:16. The Greek word is theopneustos. It means the Scriptures were breathed out from the mouth of God Himself. Not man. Not imagination. Not private impressions.

So when I say “God breathed,” I mean what the Bible means: The written Word came directly from God and carries His full authority.

And if a spirit leads you away from the Word that God Himself breathed out, then that spirit is not the Holy Spirit. It’s that simple.

 

[bdavidc]

Only for those who restrict themselves to the scriptures. For the rest of us we are free to explore God and His God's word beyond the scriptures. I certainly don't despise God's words. I love Him and I love everything He gives, especially His love, be it expressed in word or action. My first focus is my relationship with God Himself. Him communicating directly to me and me communicating with Him. Then we can share what we have learned from God about God and gain a greater, fuller understanding of this Person we see through a glass, dimly. We see in part, so we speak in part. Let's keep putting these small parts together not keep them to ourself or ignore them.

You’re not “exploring God beyond Scripture.” You are building an idol in your own head and following it. The Holy Spirit never leads anyone away from the Word He breathed out. When you trust inner voices and private impressions over Scripture, you are not being spiritual. You are being deceived.

What you’re describing is exactly how Screwtape wanted Christians to think. In The Screwtape Letters, the demons brag about keeping people turned inward, chasing feelings, moods, and imagined spiritual moments instead of the real God revealed in Scripture. They push people to pray to “the thing they have made… not the Person who made them.” That is exactly what you’re doing, you’re following a mental version of God that you created.

Scripture says the heart is deceitful ~Jeremiah 17:9. That includes imagination. And Satan’s first deception in the garden was to get Eve to trust her own thoughts instead of the Word God had already spoken. Many are in hell right now because they believed the same lie you are believing: that their inner voice was safe, that their feelings were divine, that they could go beyond Scripture and still be walking with God.

You’re not hearing from the Spirit. You’re following an idol made in your own mind. Stop now. Turn back to Scripture. The Holy Spirit will never meet you anywhere else.

 

[bdavidc]

Not at all. Please go right ahead. God's words are God's words. They are from the same Source. Yet who He is talking to can make a massive difference. So WHAT He says to you and what He says to me could be the opposite or contrary.

HOW He says it to you could be different to me. Actually it is. You through the scriptures. To me through whatever means.

To the baby it's milk. To the adult solids and occasional milk. All is beneficial and profitable for growth and development.

You’re proving the very problem. God does not say one thing to you and the opposite to me. Truth is not personalized. God does not contradict Himself. He does not tailor revelation to individual feelings. The Bible says, “God is not the author of confusion” ~1 Corinthians 14:33.

And no, the Spirit does not speak to you “through whatever means.” That is how deception works. You are opening the door to any voice that feels spiritual and calling it God. Scripture says plainly, “Test the spirits” ~1 John 4:1. The test is the Word, not your impressions.

You’re not talking about milk versus meat. You’re talking about two different sources. The Holy Spirit speaks through the Scriptures He inspired — not through random, contradicting messages you claim He gives privately. Anything that does not line up with the Word of God is not from Him.

You have built an idol in your own mind and convinced yourself it is the voice of the Spirit. Satan has been deceiving people this way since the garden, and many are in hell today because they trusted their inner voice over the Word God actually spoke.

Stop following the voice in your head. The Holy Spirit never contradicts Scripture, never replaces Scripture, and never speaks “opposite” truths to different people. If the voice you’re hearing cannot be found in the Word, then it is not God.

 

[bdavidc]

If Holy Spirit communicates with you, if He says anything that is not purely quoting the exact text of the Authorised King James Bible then you will automatically dismiss it?
Would you say that as it is not the bible being spoken, it is not God's word or the word of God therefore it cannot be the Spirit of God?

I'm a little confused. Because you say don't add or take away from the scriptures, yet you continue to add to it in your posts. Your words aren't pure texts from the scriptures, some don't even come close to the actual Authorised KJV wording.

You’re missing the point on purpose. No one said the Spirit only “quotes the KJV word-for-word.” The issue is not the translation. The issue is authority. The Spirit never gives new doctrine, new truth, or new revelation beside the Scriptures. When He speaks, He applies the Word God already gave. He does not add to it.

When I write something, I’m not claiming it is revelation. I’m not claiming God said it. I am explaining Scripture. You, on the other hand, claim the words in your head are God speaking. That is the difference. One is teaching. The other is adding revelation. Scripture forbids that ~Proverbs 30:6.

Your argument pretends that any explanation of Scripture is “adding to the Bible.” That is nonsense. Jesus explained Scripture. Paul explained Scripture. Peter explained Scripture. But none of them said, “God told me something new that is not written.” You do. That is the problem.

And no, I don’t dismiss anything “just because it’s not a pure Bible quote.” I dismiss it because it contradicts the Bible. The Holy Spirit does not lead people away from the Word He breathed out. You admitted you “rarely consult the Scriptures,” yet you treat your private impressions as divine messages. That alone shows the source is not God.

Your messages are not “the Spirit communicating.” You are following your thoughts, your feelings, and the voice in your own mind, then calling it the Holy Spirit. That is how deception works, and Scripture warns that many are destroyed by exactly this kind of false voice.

Stop confusing your imagination with the Spirit of God. The Spirit speaks through the Scriptures He inspired, not through whatever messages you think He whispers in your mind.