John's Revelation - Rightly Divided View

[GRACE ambassador]

Precious friends, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In:

A Rightly Divided view of Revelations:

"With God’s help, we plan to present a brief overview in the coming months of the future Tribulation.
The purpose of this study is to dispel the notion that the Church, the Body of Christ is the subject of
the first four chapters of the Book of Revelation. We will also be exploring the coming events of the
day of the Lord to further enhance our appreciation of the Grace of God. Having a fuller understanding
of these matters will cause us to bow our knee in humble adoration to The One Who has promised us
deliverance from the wrath to come (I Thes. 5:9).

It is the consensus of most in Christendom that the Book of Revelation is a sealed book that cannot possibly be
accurately interpreted, due to the nature of the numerous visions and symbolic language. Consequently, those
who desire to study this biblical record are discouraged to do so since it cannot be understood. This, of course,
is unsound reasoning..." (P Sadler):

Full study:
Berean Searchlight – October 2003

continued:
Berean Searchlight – November 2003
Berean Searchlight – December 2003

Berean Searchlight – January 2004
Berean Searchlight – February 2004
Berean Searchlight – March 2004
Berean Searchlight – April 2004
Berean Searchlight – May 2004
Berean Searchlight – June 2004
Berean Searchlight – August 2004
Berean Searchlight – September 2004
Berean Searchlight – October 2004
Berean Searchlight – November 2004

And, Amen!



cc: @shepherdsword, since you are searching for different perspectives of Revelations...

 

[quietthinker]

Does talking about and repeating the expression 'rightly dividing the word of truth' mean that it is rightly divided?

 

[shepherdsword]

Does talking about and repeating the expression 'rightly dividing the word of truth' mean that it is rightly divided?

To rightly divide the word, the word must have first rightly divided you.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Merismou

 

[quietthinker]

To rightly divide the word, the word must have first rightly divided you.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Merismou

so, talking about it (perhaps it's something pious to say) is a futile exercise?

 

[shepherdsword]

so, talking about it (perhaps it's something pious to say) is a futile exercise?

No

 

[David Lamb]

To rightly divide the word, the word must have first rightly divided you.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Merismou

The word translated "dividing" in 2 Timothy 2:15 does not mean cutting something into fractions, like dividing a cake between six people, giving each sixth of the cake. My concordance says:

"3718 orthotomeo [or-thot-om-eh -o]

from a compound of 3717 and the base of 5114; v; TDNT- 8:111,1169; [{See TDNT 787 }]

AV-rightly divide 1; 1

1) to cut straight, to cut straight ways
1a) to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right
2) to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly"

 

[shepherdsword]

The word translated "dividing" in 2 Timothy 2:15 does not mean cutting something into fractions, like dividing a cake between six people, giving each sixth of the cake. My concordance says:

"3718 orthotomeo [or-thot-om-eh -o]

from a compound of 3717 and the base of 5114; v; TDNT- 8:111,1169; [{See TDNT 787 }]

AV-rightly divide 1; 1

1) to cut straight, to cut straight ways
1a) to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right
2) to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly"

You still have to make a straight cut to divide anything so it's a not really a point of contention. In other words, to make a straight and proper cut (orthotomeo) of the word, the word must have first divided( merismou) you. If the soul is not distinguished from the spirit then we will see the word through our old nature instead of the new creature. This is what the true circumcision ( and merismou) is all about...cutting away the carnal nature and exposing the treasure of the spirit.

 

[marks]

The word translated "dividing" in 2 Timothy 2:15 does not mean cutting something into fractions, like dividing a cake between six people, giving each sixth of the cake. My concordance says:

"3718 orthotomeo [or-thot-om-eh -o]

from a compound of 3717 and the base of 5114; v; TDNT- 8:111,1169; [{See TDNT 787 }]

AV-rightly divide 1; 1

1) to cut straight, to cut straight ways
1a) to proceed on straight paths, hold a straight course, equiv. to doing right
2) to make straight and smooth, to handle aright, to teach the truth directly and correctly"

Paul being a tent maker by trade would fully understand what he wrote, you have to make a straight cut on all the parts or your tent won't stand straight.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

I strongly PROTEST the OP's statement that the first four Chapters of the Book of Revelation are not about Christ's Church. Instead, those Chapters are SPECIFICALLY about the Christian Church!

Jesus said to Apostle John...

Rev 1:11
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
KJV

Those early Christian Churches were located in the area of Asia Minor, and geographically they formed a type of circle (symbolic of completeness). Jesus gave each one of them a Message, and those 7 Messages are STILL IN EFFECT for ALL Christian Churches to this day! That is easily understood by specific end time events Jesus mentions within those 7 Messages.

So right off the bat, the OP is showing they are following doctrines of men about Christ's Book of Revelation, those factions today that use that word 'Berean' from Acts 17 about those in Berea who searched the Scriptures daily to see if what Apostle Paul was teaching them was actually written.

Thing is, those using that Berean title represent the Hyper-Dispensationalist movement, or Hyper-Grace it is also called. They try to separate Paul's Epistles as being the only Books applicable to the Christian Church. Thus Christ's Book of Revelation is pretty much disregarded by them, and THEY DEFINITELY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO PREACH ABOUT THE BOOK OF REVELATION, just because of the false doctrines of men they keep from Darby's Dispensationlism. If you want to know more about what they believe, look up the Berean Bible Society.

 

[quietthinker]

I strongly PROTEST the OP's statement that the first four Chapters of the Book of Revelation are not about Christ's Church. Instead, those Chapters are SPECIFICALLY about the Christian Church!

The thing is....if we have it wrong it is to our disadvantage. Error by its very nature reduces or hamstrings understanding.
If on the other hand we have it right, we will go from understanding to understanding; from slavery to liberation.
If one has the audacity to call slavery liberation or prison freedom, one inevitably digs one's own grave.

 

[Archie]

I strongly PROTEST the OP's statement that the first four Chapters of the Book of Revelation are not about Christ's Church. Instead, those Chapters are SPECIFICALLY about the Christian Church!

Jesus said to Apostle John...

Rev 1:11
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
KJV

Those early Christian Churches were located in the area of Asia Minor, and geographically they formed a type of circle (symbolic of completeness). Jesus gave each one of them a Message, and those 7 Messages are STILL IN EFFECT for ALL Christian Churches to this day! That is easily understood by specific end time events Jesus mentions within those 7 Messages.

So right off the bat, the OP is showing they are following doctrines of men about Christ's Book of Revelation, those factions today that use that word 'Berean' from Acts 17 about those in Berea who searched the Scriptures daily to see if what Apostle Paul was teaching them was actually written.

Thing is, those using that Berean title represent the Hyper-Dispensationalist movement, or Hyper-Grace it is also called. They try to separate Paul's Epistles as being the only Books applicable to the Christian Church. Thus Christ's Book of Revelation is pretty much disregarded by them, and THEY DEFINITELY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO PREACH ABOUT THE BOOK OF REVELATION, just because of the false doctrines of men they keep from Darby's Dispensationlism. If you want to know more about what they believe, look up the Berean Bible Society.

As soon as I saw the words "rightly divided", well...you know.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Precious friends, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In:

A Rightly Divided view of Revelations:

"With God’s help, we plan to present a brief overview in the coming months of the future Tribulation.
The purpose of this study is to dispel the notion that the Church, the Body of Christ is the subject of
the first four chapters of the Book of Revelation. We will also be exploring the coming events of the
day of the Lord to further enhance our appreciation of the Grace of God. Having a fuller understanding
of these matters will cause us to bow our knee in humble adoration to The One Who has promised us
deliverance from the wrath to come (I Thes. 5:9).

It is the consensus of most in Christendom that the Book of Revelation is a sealed book that cannot possibly be
accurately interpreted, due to the nature of the numerous visions and symbolic language. Consequently, those
who desire to study this biblical record are discouraged to do so since it cannot be understood. This, of course,
is unsound reasoning..." (P Sadler):

Full study:
Berean Searchlight – October 2003

continued:
Berean Searchlight – November 2003
Berean Searchlight – December 2003

Berean Searchlight – January 2004
Berean Searchlight – February 2004
Berean Searchlight – March 2004
Berean Searchlight – April 2004
Berean Searchlight – May 2004
Berean Searchlight – June 2004
Berean Searchlight – August 2004
Berean Searchlight – September 2004
Berean Searchlight – October 2004
Berean Searchlight – November 2004

Precious friend, @shepherdsword, you might notice that in these issues there is also
a series on God's Dispensation of Grace:

Berean Searchlight – October 2003
Berean Searchlight – November 2003
Berean Searchlight – December 2003
Berean Searchlight – January 2004
Berean Searchlight – February 2004

Sort of a 2 for 1 Biblical Bonus, eh?

Amen.

 

[CTK]

Precious friends, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In:

A Rightly Divided view of Revelations:

"With God’s help, we plan to present a brief overview in the coming months of the future Tribulation.
The purpose of this study is to dispel the notion that the Church, the Body of Christ is the subject of
the first four chapters of the Book of Revelation. We will also be exploring the coming events of the
day of the Lord to further enhance our appreciation of the Grace of God. Having a fuller understanding
of these matters will cause us to bow our knee in humble adoration to The One Who has promised us
deliverance from the wrath to come (I Thes. 5:9).

It is the consensus of most in Christendom that the Book of Revelation is a sealed book that cannot possibly be
accurately interpreted, due to the nature of the numerous visions and symbolic language. Consequently, those
who desire to study this biblical record are discouraged to do so since it cannot be understood. This, of course,
is unsound reasoning..." (P Sadler):

Full study:
Berean Searchlight – October 2003

continued:
Berean Searchlight – November 2003
Berean Searchlight – December 2003

Berean Searchlight – January 2004
Berean Searchlight – February 2004
Berean Searchlight – March 2004
Berean Searchlight – April 2004
Berean Searchlight – May 2004
Berean Searchlight – June 2004
Berean Searchlight – August 2004
Berean Searchlight – September 2004
Berean Searchlight – October 2004
Berean Searchlight – November 2004

And, Amen!

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cc: @shepherdsword, since you are searching for different perspectives of Revelations...

Thanks for sharing this information. I recently went right into the discussion on Revelation 6 and noticed the discussion on the 4 horsemen. The first white horse is deemed to be the anti-christ figure. Is this a literal individual or a supernatural one? You identify him as the "anti-christ" but does that mean he is the same individual as the little horn in Daniel 7 and 8? If not, can you share with me who the little horn is and perhaps why? So much of Daniel carries forward to Revelation.... Thanks.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Thanks for sharing this information. I recently went right into the discussion on Revelation 6 and noticed the discussion on the 4 horsemen. The first white horse is deemed to be the anti-christ figure. Is this a literal individual or a supernatural one? You identify him as the "anti-christ" but does that mean he is the same individual as the little horn in Daniel 7 and 8? If not, can you share with me who the little horn is and perhaps why? So much of Daniel carries forward to Revelation.... Thanks.

Precious friend, @CTK, you are very welcome. I appreciate the kind and humble questions for
discussion, but I am going to have to bow out for these. I have been a simpleton Bible student
for many years mainly focusing on God's Dispensation Of Grace, and What He Is Doing
Today.

Thus, I am not much of a prophecy 'expert' of the details of What God Will Do In the future.

The author of the series above is Paul Sadler who believes the "first horseman" is the anti-Christ.
My leaning, at the moment, is toward the futuristic interpretation of this, but, like many other
things I have learned, could be subject to 'change.'

Perchance, @shepherdsword may be able to possibly help with these great questions?

I hope and pray that you all are Very Richly Encouraged And Edified in your prophecy study
endeavours, and having God's Approval.

Grace And Peace.



simpleton Mystery expertise?: "Distinctions" of Prophecy vs MYSTERY

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It is the consensus of most in Christendom that the Book of Revelation is a sealed book that cannot possibly be
accurately interpreted, due to the nature of the numerous visions and symbolic language. Consequently, those
who desire to study this biblical record are discouraged to do so since it cannot be understood. This, of course,
is unsound reasoning..." (P Sadler):

Do not know when this Sandler wrote that quote but it is very inaccurate.

Though it is a book laden with visions and symbols, the bible defines and describes those visions and symbols. MOst of the understanding of Revelation can be gleaned from a careful study of the eschatological passages found throughout the OT.

 

[Davy]

The thing is....if we have it wrong it is to our disadvantage. Error by its very nature reduces or hamstrings understanding.
If on the other hand we have it right, we will go from understanding to understanding; from slavery to liberation.
If one has the audacity to call slavery liberation or prison freedom, one inevitably digs one's own grave.

Too much men's philosophy monkey business talk for me to be involved in (the Chuck Berry song Too Much Monkey Business playin' in the background.)

 

[quietthinker]

Too much men's philosophy monkey business talk for me to be involved in (the Chuck Berry song Too Much Monkey Business playin' in the background.)

I'm sorry you can't adequately process (or don't want to) my post #10

 

[Davy]

I'm sorry you can't adequately process (or don't want to) my post #10

Not really enough substance in that post to comment on.

 

[quietthinker]

Not really enough substance in that post to comment on.

yet, ole mate, you commented.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Precious friends, Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified In:

A Rightly Divided view of Revelations:

"With God’s help, we plan to present a brief overview in the coming months of the future Tribulation.
The purpose of this study is to dispel the notion that the Church, the Body of Christ is the subject of
the first four chapters of the Book of Revelation. We will also be exploring the coming events of the
day of the Lord to further enhance our appreciation of the Grace of God. Having a fuller understanding
of these matters will cause us to bow our knee in humble adoration to The One Who has promised us
deliverance from the wrath to come (I Thes. 5:9).

It is the consensus of most in Christendom that the Book of Revelation is a sealed book that cannot possibly be
accurately interpreted, due to the nature of the numerous visions and symbolic language. Consequently, those
who desire to study this biblical record are discouraged to do so since it cannot be understood. This, of course,
is unsound reasoning..." (P Sadler):

Full study:
Berean Searchlight – October 2003

continued:
Berean Searchlight – November 2003
Berean Searchlight – December 2003

Berean Searchlight – January 2004
Berean Searchlight – February 2004
Berean Searchlight – March 2004
Berean Searchlight – April 2004
Berean Searchlight – May 2004
Berean Searchlight – June 2004
Berean Searchlight – August 2004
Berean Searchlight – September 2004
Berean Searchlight – October 2004
Berean Searchlight – November 2004

And, Amen!

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cc: @shepherdsword, since you are searching for different perspectives of Revelations...

I read the doctrinal view of the Searchlight Oçt. 2003 and find some truth mixed with inaccuracies.
1. Pastor Sadler claims the Book of Revelation was written around 95 AD. I believe this is true; however, Pastor Sadler also said the entire Book of Revelation was future. Nope. Those were Seven present day churches in the 1st century that the letters were written and sent to. They had current problems, specifically addressing individuals and the state of each church. Christ finished his rebukes with an order to repent their ways.
That said, I believe they were also "Church types" as well that exist today and throughout history. There are faithful churches, persecuted churches, cold churches with false doctrines, churches with seducing spiritual influence, Jezebels, false prophets, etc. And at times we see the same flaws within ourselves as they had.
2. He said nothing, no events precede the Rapture. Well that is arguable. In Matthew 24, Jesus lists the events preceding His coming, "the beginning of sorrows" and that the gospel would be preached to every nation. Also 1 Thes. 4:16-17 and 1 Cor. 15:52 state that this event, "The Rapture", happens at the last trumpet.
If it is the last, obviously it must be related to other trumpet sounds as in a group or as in all others. And while we are on the topic of the Book of Revelation, guess what's in that book? Gee, we have a list of seven trumpet sounds. Can they have some relation to the last trumpet? I think so. And if I am right, we will go through some of the Great Tribulation.
3. Philadelphia, the faithful church, was promised not to be subjected to God's wrath. But guess what, the wrath comes in the 7 Bowls, at the sound of the 7th trumpet.
4. The multitude seen in heaven apparently just arriving ( Rev. 7-9), just came out of the Great Tribulation! That means they were in it.

What can we say about the events and destruction caused by the four horsemen of the Apocalypes? 25% of the population is killed. That 2 billion. So if we begin to see hundreds of millions and even billions die and we are still here, the Pre-Trib Rapture view will certainly be proven wrong.