WHAT RESURRECTION HAS HAPPENED?

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus certainly did divide scripture to different times..............[Luk 4:21 KJV] "And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.".........he said that it was fulfilled THIS DAY...............[Isa 61:2 KJV] "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;"...........he did not say THE DAY of vengeance was fulfilled THIS DAY, it will be as you say fulfilled in a different day. How is this not saying scripture wont be fulfilled at a different time? This is an example of dispensations. It is also an example of right division he only applied half a sentence.

Jesus did command different rules. Here is an example........[Mat 10:5 KJV] "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:",,,,,,He said dont go to Gentiles and later he said to go to them................[Mat 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Mat 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."

Those that heard Jesus read Isaiah, if they rightly divided that verse, would not say the day of vengeance was for them; it was to be applied to another generation and another time.

Here is the reason I asked if you sacrificed animals. I certainly didnt think you did, nor should anyone today. My point was you, by not sacrificing, are rightly dividing scripture. You are saying the commandment to offer sacrifices was not for me to obey; it was for old testament Israel.

No Doug, an invention of men that do not want you to enter Heaven as they themselves will not. Falsely interpreting scripture to give it another meaning or diminish the meaning is not from God I am certain of this, I hope that with time you will see this, the words of Christ are simple and clear and require no interpretations His words are Life and from them all else must be tested. I will explain again since I see you do make an effort to unserstand and come to the truth;

The first mistake in the argument is the idea that when Jesus stopped reading Isaiah in the synagogue, He was “rightly dividing” in the modern dispensational nonsense. That is not what He was doing, and Scripture explains why.

Luke 4:21 says, “This day this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
Jesus spoke this because only the first part of Isaiah 61 had come to pass at His first coming. He was anointed to preach, heal, and bring good news, exactly as the prophet said. Isaiah 61:1 was fulfilled that day. But the day of vengeance had not arrived yet, and Jesus could not say it was fulfilled when it was not. He is the Truth, and He speaks only truth. He simply declared what was happening that day.

This is not “rightly dividing.”
This is prophecy unfolding, and prophecy often unfolds in stages. The Old Testament itself shows this pattern. For example, Zechariah 9:9 speaks of the Messiah coming “lowly and riding on a donkey,” and Zechariah 14:3–4 speaks of Him standing on the Mount of Olives to fight the nations. These are two different events, but they speak of the same Messiah, not two different dispensations. The time difference is because prophecy must happen in the order God sets. Jesus did not “divide” Scripture; He fulfilled what was ready and left what was not yet.

The second mistake is the claim that Jesus gave “different rules” in different dispensations, as if He changed His teachings. That is not what Scripture says. When Jesus sent the twelve in Matthew 10:5, He said, “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles.” This was because He had a clear order for His ministry. He explained this Himself. In Matthew 15:24He said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Jesus began with Israel first because they were the chosen people who received the covenant. The prophets had said this would happen. After Israel heard Him, the message would go out farther. Isaiah 49:6 says, “I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.” Jesus followed the pattern God had spoken long before.

When Jesus rose from the dead, the time came for the message to reach all nations. So He said in Matthew 28:19, “Go therefore and teach all nations.” This is not a change of commandments. It is the next step of the same plan that God had already spoken. Jesus never canceled anything He taught them earlier. He simply moved them forward in God’s timetable. And He made this clear. Matthew 28:20 says, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you.” He did not erase a single command. He told them to teach the nations the same things He had already taught.

The third mistake is the idea that the listeners in Luke 4 should have “rightly divided” Isaiah and applied the day of vengeance to another people. Scripture never says this. What the people should have done was believe what Jesus told them. The prophets often spoke of future times, and no prophet ever told the people, “This part is not for you to hear.” Jesus simply stated what was fulfilled at that moment. Prophecy has its own timing, but that timing is in God’s hands, not in a system created by men.

The fourth mistake is comparing animal sacrifices to moral commandments. Sacrifices were given for sin until the true Lamb would come. This is what the prophets said. Isaiah 53:7 speaks of the Servant who would be led “as a lamb to the slaughter.” John the Baptist declared the truth when he saw Jesus: “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” (John 1:29). Once the true Lamb offered Himself, the purpose of animal sacrifices was completed. This is not “right division.” This is fulfillment, exactly as God promised. But the Ten Commandments were never tied to the sacrificial system and were never said to end. Jesus Himself said, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). And He said that not one part of the law will pass “till all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:18). The sacrificial laws were fulfilled by the sacrifice of Jesus. The moral commandments were never called temporary, and Jesus never treated them as temporary.

So the whole argument collapses for four reasons shown directly by Scripture:

-Jesus was not dividing Scripture but fulfilling the part that applied to His first coming.
-Jesus was not giving different rules for different dispensations but following the order God had already given through the prophets.
-The people in the synagogue did not need dispensations; they needed faith in what was fulfilled before their eyes.
-Animal sacrifices ended because the true Lamb came, not because of a man-made method of dividing Scripture.

This is the testimony of Scripture itself.

Here is Isaiah 61:1–11 from the New King James Version, exactly as written:

Isaiah 61:1–11 (NKJV)

1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,

3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.

4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations.

5 Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,
And the sons of the foreigner
Shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

6 But you shall be named the priests of the Lord,
They shall call you the servants of our God.
You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles,
And in their glory you shall boast.

7 Instead of your shame you shall have double honor,
And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion.
Therefore in their land they shall possess double;
Everlasting joy shall be theirs.

8 For I, the Lord, love justice;
I hate robbery for burnt offering;
I will direct their work in truth,
And will make with them an everlasting covenant.

9 Their descendants shall be known among the Gentiles,
And their offspring among the people.
All who see them shall acknowledge them,
That they are the posterity whom the Lord has blessed.

10 I will greatly rejoice in the Lord,
My soul shall be joyful in my God;
For He has clothed me with the garments of salvation,
He has covered me with the robe of righteousness,
As a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments,
And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

11 For as the earth brings forth its bud,
As the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth,
So the Lord God will cause righteousness and praise
To spring forth before all the nations.​

 

[David in NJ]

Precious @Doug, who is made in the image of God

Please carefully review Post 41 from @LoveYeshua who beautifully articulated all that we have been sharing with you.

Always do what JESUS showed us is the WAY:
a.) submitting to every word of God
b.) PRAY for understanding
c.) WAIT for the understanding to be Given to you
d.) Rejoice in CHRIST alone as you wait
e.) John 14:14-18

 

[Doug]

The second mistake is the claim that Jesus gave “different rules” in different dispensations, as if He changed His teachings

Here is another time where Jesus changed his commands.........................
[Luk 10:4 KJV] "Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way."
[Luk 22:36 KJV] "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.".......................He told them take no scrip then later take scrip; If you are following all Jesus commanded, which one are to be obeyed?

 

[Doug]

When Jesus rose from the dead, the time came for the message to reach all nations. So He said in Matthew 28:19, “Go therefore and teach all nations.” This is not a change of commandments

How could being commanded to not go to Gentiles and then being commanded to go to them not be changing commandments. The fact that his commandments were progressive doesnt mean they werent different. The disciples could not obey both commandments at the same time.
Once again you say obey all commandments Jesus gave so how do you do it?

 

[Doug]

The fourth mistake is comparing animal sacrifices to moral commandments.

But you said all of God's word has to be obeyed.........He said, “Man shall live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” He did not say “some words,” “the words for your time,” or “the words for your dispensation.” He said “every word.”...........now you say only moral commandments are relevant

 

[Doug]

-Animal sacrifices ended because the true Lamb came, not because of a man-made method of dividing Scripture.

But that doesnt relieve you from keeping all of God's word. In fact animal sacrifices will resume in the millenial temple

 

[LoveYeshua]

Here is another time where Jesus changed his commands.........................
[Luk 10:4 KJV] "Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way."
[Luk 22:36 KJV] "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.".......................He told them take no scrip then later take scrip; If you are following all Jesus commanded, which one are to be obeyed?

Hi Doug,

Jesus did not change His commandments. The instructions in Luke 10 and Luke 22 are not eternal commandments for all believers. They were temporary directions for a specific mission of the disciples.
When Jesus sent the disciples in Luke 10, He sent them on a short trip through safe Jewish towns. He protected them, and He provided for them through the people who received them. This is why He said, “Carry neither money bag, knapsack, nor sandals.”

But in Luke 22 the time had changed. Jesus was going to the cross. The disciples would soon face danger, rejection, and persecution. They would not walk through friendly towns anymore. So He told them to prepare themselves with the normal things travelers needed. When He said, “buy a sword,” He was not telling them to fight, because later Jesus says, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.” What Jesus meant is that hard times were coming, and they should be ready to face danger.

So both commands are true, but they belong to different situations and were specifically for his disciples. Jesus did not change His teachings. He gave instructions that matched the moment. His real commandments, the ones that stand for all time, are the ones He repeated often: to love God, to love others, to keep His word, to obey His Father’s will, to keep His commandments, to repent, to believe, to forgive, and to live holy lives.

We obey the eternal commandments that Jesus gave for all people, and we understand that the travel instructions in Luke 10 and Luke 22 were not moral laws but temporary directions for the disciples’ missions.

 

[LoveYeshua]

How could being commanded to not go to Gentiles and then being commanded to go to them not be changing commandments. The fact that his commandments were progressive doesnt mean they werent different. The disciples could not obey both commandments at the same time.
Once again you say obey all commandments Jesus gave so how do you do it.

Doug, Jesus’ commands are not contradictory, even if they seem different at different times. The difference is in the timing and purpose, not in the moral law. Early on, He focused the disciples’ work on Israel first, because God’s plan always moved step by step. The mission to Israel prepared the way for the rest of the world. That is why Jesus initially told the disciples to stay within the house of Israel.

Later, after His resurrection, the mission expanded to all nations (Matthew 28:19). This was not a change in His commandments, but the next step in God’s plan. God’s will unfolds according to His timing, and Jesus’ commands adapted to that timing. Obeying all of Jesus’ commandments means following His eternal teachings—love God, love others, keep the Father’s will, keep His word—while also obeying His instructions for the specific moment.

So the disciples obeyed fully: at first by focusing on Israel, later by going to all nations. Both instructions were correct, and both were obeying Jesus. For example, Peter received a direct instruction to go to the Gentiles in Acts 10:1–48, when Cornelius was called and the Holy Spirit confirmed that the gospel was for all nations. Acts 11:1–18 confirms that Peter explained this to the other apostles. This shows that obedience to Jesus’ commandments works according to His timing, and His instructions unfold as part of God’s plan, not as contradictory commands.

Blessings

 

[LoveYeshua]

But that doesnt relieve you from keeping all of God's word. In fact animal sacrifices will resume in the millenial temple

Dear Doug,

Animal sacrifices did not end because someone divided Scripture into different “times.” They ended because Jesus Himself fulfilled what the sacrifices were pointing to. Every offering in the old covenant was a shadow of something greater. When the real thing came, the shadow had no more purpose. John the Baptist said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” in John 1:29. Jesus offered Himself once for all when He died and rose again. After He gave His life, the temple sacrifice system no longer had any meaning. God Himself showed this by tearing the veil of the temple from top to bottom when Jesus died in Matthew 27:51. This curtain was the dividing line between God’s presence and the people. When it was torn by God, it showed that the old system had reached its end and that a new and living way had opened through Jesus.

When someone replies, “But that doesn’t free you from keeping all of God’s word,” they mix two different things. There is a great difference between God’s eternal commandments and the ceremonial sacrifices. Jesus never removed the commandments that tell us what is good, holy, and right. Jesus kept them, taught
them, and commanded His disciples to obey them. But the animal sacrifices were not eternal laws. They were instructions given for a time until the true Lamb would come. Even the prophets said this clearly. Hosea 6:6 shows God saying He desires mercy and not sacrifice. In Psalm 40:6, God says that burnt offerings were not His final desire. In Isaiah 1, God refuses sacrifices when the heart is not right. These passages show that the system was temporary and pointing forward to something greater.

The claim that “animal sacrifices will return in the millennium” is an idea that does not come from Jesus or His apostles. Jesus never said sacrifices would return. He never hinted that His own sacrifice would be set aside and replaced for a time. Jesus said the opposite. He said His blood is the blood of the new covenant. He said His body is true food and His blood is true drink in John 6:55. This means His offering is complete, perfect, and final. Nothing else can add to it. Nothing else can replace it. Nothing else is needed beside it.

When we look at Jesus’ own teaching about the future kingdom, He does not describe a return to old forms. Instead, He describes a kingdom where people are judged by their obedience to His words. He says in Matthew 7:24 that the wise man hears His sayings and does them. He says in Matthew 25 that the nations will be separated by their works of mercy. He never speaks of a future temple where animals will die again. Jesus’ vision of the kingdom is clean and pure, built on His own sacrifice and His own commandments.

The prophets who spoke of future worship spoke in the language the people knew, using pictures from their own time. For example, Ezekiel’s temple vision uses sacrificial imagery, but even Jesus’ disciples understood these pictures as symbols of God’s presence and order, not a step backward to animal offerings. When the true Light has come, you do not go back to the candle. When the true Lamb has given His life, you do not go back to shadows.

So the truth is simple. The commandments of God still stand, because they show what is right, but the sacrifices have ended because Jesus fulfilled their meaning. And nothing Jesus taught gives any support for the idea that His own perfect offering will someday be set aside so that animals may die again.

Remember that when Jesus returns, the Holy Spirit WILL put in our hearts the commandments and then, ALL in the kingdom shall live by them and none will need to teach them anymore all peoples in the kingdom will know them it will become part of them.

Blessings.

 

[Doug]

Please carefully review Post 41 from @LoveYeshua who beautifully articulated all that we have been sharing with you.

Always do what JESUS showed us is the WAY:
a.) submitting to every word of God

I did read and commented on her post
As far as submitting to every word You cant How can you obey both of these verses at the same time without knowing they arent to be obeyed except by the disciples at the specific time they were given.......[Mat 10:5 KJV] "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:" How can you not go to Gentiles and go to them at the same time.......[Mat 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

 

[David in NJ]

I did read and commented on her post
As far as submitting to every word You cant How can you obey both of these verses at the same time without knowing they arent to be obeyed except by the disciples at the specific time they were given.......[Mat 10:5 KJV] "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:" How can you not go to Gentiles and go to them at the same time.......[Mat 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Simple = VERY SIMPLE my brother

Mark 10:5 is BEFORE the Lord went to the Cross and shed His Blood for all nations.

The Beginning point for the New Covenant is with Israel and the Jewish people = Romans 1:16

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

This is EXACTLY what we SEE in Acts

 

[Doug]

The instructions in Luke 10 and Luke 22 are not eternal commandments for all believers.

With all due respect that is evasive. His commandments werent all moral eternal commandments..............[Mat 8:18 KJV] "Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side."

 

[LoveYeshua]

With all due respect that is evasive. His commandments werent all moral eternal commandments..............[Mat 8:18 KJV] "Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side."

Doug, clearly this was at that specific time and circumstance, how can you apply this today? see the difference? you have to use discernment here.

 

[Doug]

So both commands are true, but they belong to different situations and were specifically for his disciples

Sounds like dispensations. In dispensations whatever was delivered to believe and to obey was true for that time and to whom it was given.

 

[David in NJ]

Sounds like dispensations. In dispensations whatever was delivered to believe and to obey was true for that time and to whom it was given.

True but do not confuse that truth with the falsehood of 'dispensationalism'.

 

[Doug]

We obey the eternal commandments that Jesus gave for all people,

So you are saying. just like me. not all commands are given to us to obey. We can learn and profit from them, but arent directed to us to obey

 

[LoveYeshua]

So you are saying. just like me. not all commands are given to us to obey. We can learn and profit from them, but arent directed to us to obey

No Doug please use discernment, a direction to the disciples to go on the other side of a crowd is not a commandment like for example the Ten commaldments. it is a one time command to a specific person or in this case the disciples. The fact that you adhere to this false doctrine clouds your judgment, please SNAP OUT OF IT.

as you know already Dispensationalism is a false teaching that divides God’s work and God’s words into separate time-periods. It says that God deals with people in different ways in different ages and that not all parts of Scripture apply the same way today. This idea did not come from Jesus or the apostles. Jesus never told us to divide God’s words. Instead He said, “Man shall live by every word that comes from the mouth of God” (NKJV). He never taught that some parts are “not for you.”

This system began in the 1800s with a man, just a man named John Nelson Darby. It was later spread through study notes in certain printed Bibles. Before this, the church did not teach these divisions. It is a new system built on human ideas, not on the words of the Lord.

Dispensationalism teaches different ages such as “law age,” “grace age,” “kingdom age,” and others. It says that some commandments were only for Israel long ago and that many teachings of Jesus in the Gospels are mainly for another time, not for believers today.

Jesus never spoke like this. He said His words will not pass away, and the Father’s commandments remain the measure of righteousness. He said the wise person hears His sayings and does them.

The negative effects of dispensationalism

1. It weakens obedience.
   People start thinking, “This part of the Bible is not for me,” even when Jesus speaks directly. This makes hearts careless toward the commandments of God.
2. It separates believers from the teachings of Jesus.
   Many who follow dispensationalism end up putting the words of Jesus aside and focus on other writings instead. But Jesus said His sheep hear His voice.
3. It creates confusion.
   People start asking, “Which words do I follow?” instead of simply obeying what the Lord clearly taught.
4. It breaks the unity of Scripture.
   Jesus and the prophets never worked against each other. Jesus fulfilled the law and showed how to live it from the heart. Dispensationalism turns the Bible into divided pieces instead of one continuous story of God’s plan.
5. It opens the door for false teachings.
   When people believe that Jesus’ words belong to another time, they become open to ideas that weaken holiness, obedience, repentance, and the fear of God. Jesus warned that many will fall because they do not keep His sayings.

Jesus spoke to all nations. His words give life. He calls everyone to repent, believe, follow Him, keep His commandments, and walk in love. Dispensationalism pulls people away from this simple, direct call. It hides the straight path Jesus gave and replaces it with man-made divisions.

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Jesus and the Old Testament form one continuous message without any division made by men.

Jesus did not come to erase the words that God had spoken before. He came to finish them, fill them with their full meaning, and show how they point to Him. He said that not even the smallest part of God’s law would fall until all is done. He lived in full obedience to the Father and taught all people to do the same from the heart.

When Jesus spoke, He often used the writings of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms as the foundation for His own teaching. He said the Scriptures testify about Him. He showed that the commandments were meant to lead people to love God and love their neighbor. He explained that murder begins in anger, that adultery begins in the heart, and that the law was always meant to shape the inner person. In this way He lifted the old words into their true and complete purpose.

The Old Testament also points forward to the Messiah through promises, sacrifices, prophecies, and pictures of redemption. Jesus fulfilled these by His life, His works, His death, and His rising from the dead. He became the true Lamb, the true Light, the true Shepherd, and the true King that the Scriptures had been preparing for.

Jesus continued the same message that God gave from the beginning: turn from sin, trust in the Lord, obey His voice, and walk in His ways. He often quoted the prophets because their warnings and promises were still living. He used their words to call people to repent, to show mercy, to forgive, to keep their hearts clean, and to be ready for the coming kingdom.

The disciples followed the same pattern. They used the Old Testament to show that Jesus was the promised one and that His teachings agreed with what God had already revealed. They did not divide the Scriptures into different ages with different meanings. They saw everything pointing to the same truth: God is faithful, His word stands forever, and those who keep His sayings will live.

So the message flows like one river from beginning to end. The Old Testament prepares the way. Jesus completes it and brings its full light. The disciples carry it to all nations. All of it calls people to the same path of repentance, faith, and obedience. There is no split, no different gospel, and no separate set of rules for different times. It is one continuous call from the same God, spoken through Moses, the prophets, and finally through His Son who showed the Father’s heart in the clearest way.

Dispensationalism has done great harm to you, Doug, because it made you think that the commandments do not need to be kept by Gentiles. Remember the words of Jesus, and remember what God said when Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River: ‘This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Listen to Him.’

 

[Doug]

Doug, Jesus’ commands are not contradictory, even if they seem different at different times. The difference is in the timing and purpose, not in the moral law. Early on, He focused the disciples’ work on Israel first, because God’s plan always moved step by step. The mission to Israel prepared the way for the rest of the world. That is why Jesus initially told the disciples to stay within the house of Israel.

Later, after His resurrection, the mission expanded to all nations (Matthew 28:19). This was not a change in His commandments, but the next step in God’s plan. God’s will unfolds according to His timing, and Jesus’ commands adapted to that timing. Obeying all of Jesus’ commandments means following His eternal teachings—love God, love others, keep the Father’s will, keep His word—while also obeying His instructions for the specific moment.

So the disciples obeyed fully: at first by focusing on Israel, later by going to all nations. Both instructions were correct, and both were obeying Jesus. For example, Peter received a direct instruction to go to the Gentiles in Acts 10:1–48, when Cornelius was called and the Holy Spirit confirmed that the gospel was for all nations. Acts 11:1–18 confirms that Peter explained this to the other apostles. This shows that obedience to Jesus’ commandments works according to His timing, and His instructions unfold as part of God’s plan, not as contradictory commands.

Blessings

Doug, Jesus’ commands are not contradictory, even if they seem different at different times.

Seem different? Is dont take money and take money not different? Is dont take a sword and take a sword not different? Is go just to Israel and go to the nations not different?

You saying that at different times they seem different is because they are different at different times........this is called dispensational right division. Dispensational, because it recognizes that God operates differently at different times. Right division recognizes that we arent to respond to previous commands and operations, but are to respond to what God is doing in our time.

Commands can be contradictory but not a mistake. All commands are valid at the time they are given.

The difference is in the timing and purpose, not in the moral law.

Moral law isnt in question, You saying we have to obey all of what Jesus commands is not possible because a lot of his commands could only be obeyed by the disciples and were only given for a specific time.

Later, after His resurrection, the mission expanded to all nations (Matthew 28:19). This was not a change in His commandments, but the next step in God’s plan. God’s will unfolds according to His timing, and Jesus’ commands adapted to that timing

Of course it was a change in commandments they couldt go just to Israel and go to all nations at the same time. Once again saying God's will unfolds according to his timing is called dispensationalism. Jesus doesnt adapt to that timing but rather, his commands are that will at that time.

Obeying all of Jesus’ commandments means following His eternal teachings—

Jesus spoke truth and is truth.

keep His word—while also obeying His instructions for the specific moment.

That specific moment is found in Paul's epistles

So the disciples obeyed fully: at first by focusing on Israel, later by going to all nations.

They didnt go to all nations and in fact agreed not to by deciding to just go to Israel.............[Gal 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

 

[LoveYeshua]

Seem different? Is dont take money and take money not different? Is dont take a sword and take a sword not different? Is go just to Israel and go to the nations not different?

You saying that at different times they seem different is because they are different at different times........this is called dispensational right division. Dispensational, because it recognizes that God operates differently at different times. Right division recognizes that we arent to respond to previous commands and operations, but are to respond to what God is doing in our time.

Commands can be contradictory but not a mistake. All commands are valid at the time they are given.

Moral law isnt in question, You saying we have to obey all of what Jesus commands is not possible because a lot of his commands could only be obeyed by the disciples and were only given for a specific time.

Of course it was a change in commandments they couldt go just to Israel and go to all nations at the same time. Once again saying God's will unfolds according to his timing is called dispensationalism. Jesus doesnt adapt to that timing but rather, his commands are that will at that time.

Jesus spoke truth and is truth.

That specific moment is found in Paul's epistles

They didnt go to all nations and in fact agreed not to by deciding to just go to Israel.............[Gal 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."

Paul cannot save you Doug, only Christ can. Listen to him.
Jesus’ commands do not contradict each other at all. What changes is the moment, not His truth. A teacher can give one instruction today and another instruction tomorrow depending on the situation. That does not make the teacher confused. It means the students must follow him step by step. Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice,” and that is exactly how He led His disciples.

When you say that “don’t take money” and later “take money” means a different program, that is your own idea, not Jesus’ teaching. Jesus was preparing His disciples. First He taught them to trust the Father. Later He warned them about danger. His commandments about how to live, how to love, how to obey the Father never changed. Only the mission instructions changed because the situation changed. That is normal leadership, not dispensationalism. we have discussed this already, did you forget?

You keep calling this “right division,” but Jesus never taught that. He said His words will judge us on the last day, not your system and not Paul’s writings. His teachings are eternal. His moment-by-moment instructions move with the mission. That is not two different plans. It is one Shepherd guiding His flock.

You also say that some commands “cannot be obeyed today,” so the rest of Jesus’ teachings must be separated. But you are confusing commandments with instructions. Eternal commandments are things like loving your enemies, forgiving, keeping His word, and doing the will of the Father. Instructions are things tied to a situation, like where to go and what to bring. Jesus never said that a change of instruction cancels His commandments.

When you claim the “specific moment” is found in Paul’s epistles, you actually leave Jesus aside. Jesus never told us to wait for Paul to explain the final plan. He said the Spirit would remind the disciples of everything He Himself said. His own words are the standard for all time.

You also say the apostles agreed “not to go to the nations,” but that is simply not true. Jesus commanded them after His resurrection to go to all nations, and His words cannot fail. Peter was sent to Gentiles directly by God in Acts 10. The gospel spread far beyond Israel through the apostles Jesus trained. You try to use Galatians to override Jesus, but Jesus’ own command stands above everything else.

So no, this is not dispensationalism. This is simple obedience. A King gives one instruction for today and another for tomorrow, while His teachings stay the same. His moral truth, the Ten Commandments, the Covenant never changes. His commandments never change. His mission orders move forward as He leads. Jesus is the same Lord in all of it.

I follow Christ as should you.

 

[Doug]

Dear Doug,

Animal sacrifices did not end because someone divided Scripture into different “times.” They ended because Jesus Himself fulfilled what the sacrifices were pointing to. Every offering in the old covenant was a shadow of something greater. When the real thing came, the shadow had no more purpose. John the Baptist said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” in John 1:29. Jesus offered Himself once for all when He died and rose again. After He gave His life, the temple sacrifice system no longer had any meaning. God Himself showed this by tearing the veil of the temple from top to bottom when Jesus died in Matthew 27:51. This curtain was the dividing line between God’s presence and the people. When it was torn by God, it showed that the old system had reached its end and that a new and living way had opened through Jesus.

When someone replies, “But that doesn’t free you from keeping all of God’s word,” they mix two different things. There is a great difference between God’s eternal commandments and the ceremonial sacrifices. Jesus never removed the commandments that tell us what is good, holy, and right. Jesus kept them, taught
them, and commanded His disciples to obey them. But the animal sacrifices were not eternal laws. They were instructions given for a time until the true Lamb would come. Even the prophets said this clearly. Hosea 6:6 shows God saying He desires mercy and not sacrifice. In Psalm 40:6, God says that burnt offerings were not His final desire. In Isaiah 1, God refuses sacrifices when the heart is not right. These passages show that the system was temporary and pointing forward to something greater.

The claim that “animal sacrifices will return in the millennium” is an idea that does not come from Jesus or His apostles. Jesus never said sacrifices would return. He never hinted that His own sacrifice would be set aside and replaced for a time. Jesus said the opposite. He said His blood is the blood of the new covenant. He said His body is true food and His blood is true drink in John 6:55. This means His offering is complete, perfect, and final. Nothing else can add to it. Nothing else can replace it. Nothing else is needed beside it.

When we look at Jesus’ own teaching about the future kingdom, He does not describe a return to old forms. Instead, He describes a kingdom where people are judged by their obedience to His words. He says in Matthew 7:24 that the wise man hears His sayings and does them. He says in Matthew 25 that the nations will be separated by their works of mercy. He never speaks of a future temple where animals will die again. Jesus’ vision of the kingdom is clean and pure, built on His own sacrifice and His own commandments.

The prophets who spoke of future worship spoke in the language the people knew, using pictures from their own time. For example, Ezekiel’s temple vision uses sacrificial imagery, but even Jesus’ disciples understood these pictures as symbols of God’s presence and order, not a step backward to animal offerings. When the true Light has come, you do not go back to the candle. When the true Lamb has given His life, you do not go back to shadows.

So the truth is simple. The commandments of God still stand, because they show what is right, but the sacrifices have ended because Jesus fulfilled their meaning. And nothing Jesus taught gives any support for the idea that His own perfect offering will someday be set aside so that animals may die again.

Remember that when Jesus returns, the Holy Spirit WILL put in our hearts the commandments and then, ALL in the kingdom shall live by them and none will need to teach them anymore all peoples in the kingdom will know them it will become part of them.

Blessings.

Animal sacrifices did not end because someone divided Scripture into different “times.” They ended because Jesus Himself fulfilled what the sacrifices were pointing to. Every offering in the old covenant was a shadow of something greater. When the real thing came, the shadow had no more purpose. John the Baptist said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” in John 1:29. Jesus offered Himself once for all when He died and rose again. After He gave His life, the temple sacrifice system no longer had any meaning. God Himself showed this by tearing the veil of the temple from top to bottom when Jesus died in Matthew 27:51. This curtain was the dividing line between God’s presence and the people. When it was torn by God, it showed that the old system had reached its end and that a new and living way had opened through Jesus.

I agree and was not saying animal sacrifices should be done in this dispensation. I was only pointing out that you say we should keep all the Word and even you in saying they arent for today are engaging in dispensational right division.

But the animal sacrifices were not eternal laws. They were instructions given for a time until the true Lamb would come.

Instructions given for a time.........once again you are dispensational rightly dividing

The claim that “animal sacrifices will return in the millennium” is an idea that does not come from Jesus or His apostles. Jesus never said sacrifices would return. He never hinted that His own sacrifice would be set aside and replaced for a time. Jesus said the opposite. He said His blood is the blood of the new covenant. He said His body is true food and His blood is true drink in John 6:55. This means His offering is complete, perfect, and final. Nothing else can add to it. Nothing else can replace it. Nothing else is needed beside it.

Animal sacrifice and the Levitical priesthood in the temple is in Ezekiel. Jesus is the Word and Jesus is the one who gave this "idea" of the return of sacrifices

The prophets who spoke of future worship spoke in the language the people knew, using pictures from their own time. For example, Ezekiel’s temple vision uses sacrificial imagery, but even Jesus’ disciples understood these pictures as symbols of God’s presence and order, not a step backward to animal offerings. When the true Light has come, you do not go back to the candle. When the true Lamb has given His life, you do not go back to shadows.

So we just discount scripture as imagery not literally true. Why wasnt Jesus saying he would rise again just imagery?..............[Mat 20:19 KJV] "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]: and the third day he shall rise again."......how can you refute some saying Jesus rising again was just spiritual not physical if you assert some scripture is just imagery?
When imagery is used its stated or is apparent. Jesus for example cant be a literal door.

So the truth is simple. The commandments of God still stand, because they show what is right, but the sacrifices have ended because Jesus fulfilled their meaning. And nothing Jesus taught gives any support for the idea that His own perfect offering will someday be set aside so that animals may die again.

I never said nor is it true that Jesus's sacrifice will be set aside. The sacrifices and offerings in Ezekiel 45-46 dont include all the sacrifices; the day of atonement is not found as an example. The sacrifices were for reconciliation........[Eze 45:15 KJV] "And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD."