The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.

[Lambano]

What happens when a toddler screams at her father that she hates him and will never talk to him again?
Does that father honor the toddlers will and put her out on the street?

I've seen a few teenaged toddlers do exactly that. Some grow up. Some don't and do get put out on streets. Sad.

 

[St. SteVen]

1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:



2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Thanks.
Based on your post, what is the gospel for ALL humankind?

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[St. SteVen]

I've seen a few teenaged toddlers do exactly that. Some grow up. Some don't and do get put out on streets. Sad.

Sure.
There has to be consequences.
But no parent in their right mind would put a misbehaving child in the oven.

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[St. SteVen]

New topic:

Inspired or inspiring? - The case for biblical inerrancy and inspiration.

What are the best arguments for biblical inerrancy and inspiration? I'm guessing that there is less support for biblical inerrancy than for biblical inspiration. Let's discuss...

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[Lambano]

Sure.
There has to be consequences.
But no parent in their right mind would put a misbehaving child in the oven.

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I remember one of my dad's friends had to kick his teenaged daughter out of the house because girl got violent and hurt her mother and one of her siblings. It broke her father's heart, but he had to protect his family, and there weren't a lot of resources available in the '70s. Man, I haven't thought of that incident in years, and I could wish I had never overheard that conversation. And a co-worker down in Florida, he had four kid. One son had to be kicked out of the house because he was a junkie, the other son was in jail on assault and battery charges (plea-bargained down from attempted murder? I didn't ask), and one daughter ended up as a prostitute to support her own drug habit. He was a broken man, and I recall him saying, "Lambano, out of four kids, only one daughter turned out to be worth a damn. If I could do it all over again, I would've had a vasectomy." Sad. It happens.

 

[soberxp]

Thanks.
Based on your post, what is the gospel for ALL humankind?

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"The gospel is the only salvation plan for all humanity:
'There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.' (Acts 4:12)

This gospel transcends time and space—
equally valid for the African tribesman, the Wall Street banker, and the Middle Eastern refugee,
for humanity’s universal predicament is sin,
and Christ alone is the answer.

You are invited!"

 

[Behold]

"Question: Is the will of God subordinate to the will of humankind?

When we have a child, there comes a point where we have to let the child go.

Likewise, God created man to decide for themselves, how they will behave.

 

[GeneZ]

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness,
but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish
but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

Often times it is overlooked.

Repentance?

Means to change one's mind about a matter!

• Change of Mind (Metanoia):
  The Greek word "metanoia," often translated as repentance, literally means "a change of mind" or "a turning around". This involves a shift in perspective, recognizing the error of one's ways and the need for change.
  
  
  

 

[GeneZ]

"The gospel is the only salvation plan for all humanity:
'There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.' (Acts 4:12)

This gospel transcends time and space—
equally valid for the African tribesman, the Wall Street banker, and the Middle Eastern refugee,
for humanity’s universal predicament is sin,
and Christ alone is the answer.

You are invited!"

No one in Hell is going to be able to complain that Jesus did not die for their sins!

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.​

1 John 2:2

 

[St. SteVen]

The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.​

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness,
but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish
but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

In regards to "free-will", I have often heard the argument that God, being the gentleman that he is,
would never VIOLATE our "free-will" by forcing us to believe in Him.

"and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—" 2 Peter 3:15 NKJV

The Lord is patient (longsuffering) toward us. His patience (longsuffering) is salvation.

Question: Is the will of God subordinate to the will of humankind?

Interesting that those who claim that God is a gentleman, also believe that
He will incinerate those who do not receive the free gift of salvation. What is gentle about that?

To be clear, I still believe that every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge that Christ is Lord.
But those who believe in the "Gentleman God" claim the confession is forced. What is gentle about that?

 

[Nancy]

I find it interesting that our God-given human conscience is the knowledge of (discernment between) good and evil.
When did we receive our God-given human conscience?

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Genesis 3:8-10
8 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?” 10 “I heard Your voice in the garden,” he replied, “and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”…

 

[Nancy]

That's a great question.
I think it helps to view this in terms of a parent/child relationship.
(I know that some prefer to say that only believers are God's children)

What happens when a toddler screams at her father that she hates him and will never talk to him again?
Does that father honor the toddlers will and put her out on the street?

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My father did, he threw my older sister out.

 

[St. SteVen]

Genesis 3:8-10
8 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?” 10 “I heard Your voice in the garden,” he replied, “and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.”…

Exactly.
At the end of Genesis chapter two, A&E were naked and unashamed.
In Genesis chapter three God asked Adam, "Who told you that you were naked?" Who indeed?
I wrote a song about it.

https://soundcloud.com/user-426611522%2Fdevil-talkin

 

[St. SteVen]

My father did, he threw my older sister out.

Ouch. Sorry to hear that.
Not a model parent, obviously.

 

[Nancy]

Exactly.
At the end of Genesis chapter two, A&E were naked and unashamed.
In Genesis chapter three God asked Adam, "Who told you that you were naked?" Who indeed?
I wrote a song about it.

https://soundcloud.com/user-426611522%2Fdevil-talkin

No, they WERE ashamed. That is why they hid from God...they never until the point of disobedience hid themselves because they were naked. Their eyes were open to good and evil at exactly the moment they ate of the forbidden fruit.is what I have always seen this moment as...they knew right then it was wrong to disobey God.

Thanks!

 

[GeneZ]

The view of the "Gentleman God" who honors human will above His own.​

"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness,
but is longsuffering toward [a]us, not willing that any should perish
but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 NKJV

In regards to "free-will", I have often heard the argument that God, being the gentleman that he is,
would never VIOLATE our "free-will" by forcing us to believe in Him.

"and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—" 2 Peter 3:15 NKJV

The Lord is patient (longsuffering) toward us. His patience (longsuffering) is salvation.

Question: Is the will of God subordinate to the will of humankind?

Interesting that those who claim that God is a gentleman, also believe that
He will incinerate those who do not receive the free gift of salvation. What is gentle about that?

To be clear, I still believe that every knee will bow and every tongue acknowledge that Christ is Lord.
But those who believe in the "Gentleman God" claim the confession is forced. What is gentle about that?

God created man in His image.

To be in God's image?
We were given an element of our own sovereignty.

Not to the extent that God has sovereignty.
For God is omniscient and omnipotent.
But, sovereignty nonetheless.

That area of sovereignty resides in our volition.
God created us for eternal companionship.
Not to be a hand puppet he plays with by Himself.

That is the miracle of our creation.
We can of our own volition either accept, or reject, God Himself.

Man = Volition = limited sovereignty.
God = absolute sovereignty,

It amounted to God making Himself open to the pain of rejection of those He created to love.
Or, the pain of never ending eternal loneliness (which sounds almost like blasphemy).

When we can not figure it out?
It requires faith acceptance for the truth.

grace and peace!

 

[St. SteVen]

No, they WERE ashamed. That is why they hid from God...they never until the point of disobedience hid themselves because they were naked. Their eyes were open to good and evil at exactly the moment they ate of the forbidden fruit.is what I have always seen this moment as...they knew right then it was wrong to disobey God.

Was it shameful to be naked at the end of Genesis chapter two?
They were naked and unashamed.

 

[St. SteVen]

New topic:

Are our English translations of the Bible, the inspired and inerrant Word of God?

This strikes at the origins of the Bible, the work of Bible translation, and doctrines about the English translations of the Bible. - What do the origins of the Bible tell us? See link below. - What does the work of Bible translation tell us? (Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus...

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[Nancy]

Was it shameful to be naked at the end of Genesis chapter two?
They were naked and unashamed.

That was BEFORE the fall

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Was it shameful to be naked at the end of Genesis chapter two?
They were naked and unashamed.

That was BEFORE the fall

It's a common position to claim that nakedness is shameful.
Why did God ask Adam to name the one who told him he was naked?

I conclude that it was Satan that told Adam that he was naked in a shaming way.
Once again, because being naked wasn't shameful at the end of Genesis chapter two.

Genesis 2:25 NIV
Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Genesis 3:11 NIV
And he said, “Who told you that you were naked?
Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”