Flat Earth Theory

[marks]

arks, you are being ignorant, because I already raised the issue of light refraction causing illusion. This neutralizes your proof perhaps until you address it.

"It's an optical illusion".

You see this all the time, with approaching cars, trains, birds, everything. But not the sun or moon.

So just calling this an optical illusion is a total cop-out. It's just ignoring what is in front of your face.

Much love!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Then why is there apparent footage of NASA faking the crescent of the earth to make it look like a globe?

It's possible the satellites don't do what you're told they do, and it's possible top level leaders across the world are faking it to deceive you.

If earth is a globe and others are tracking it with satellites, why would NASA (said to be the top space agency in the world) fake the crescent of the earth?

It's interesting to me that you mention this (in bold). One thing I know because of my history of being born into multigenerational SRA/MK, is that the huge telescopes aren't what they seem. The Lucifer telescope at Mount Graham ...as well as the VLT and ELT in Chile ..are built on mountains and locations considered portals. I was brought to these locations as a small child (from age 3) to be used on altars as a conduit to bring in more fallen entities.

I was also brought to the Mayan pyramids and the Temple Mount where they do conduct satanic rituals involving nephilim. I was brought to a mountaintop ritual location that was fenced off with high security, back in about 1982(ish, the best I can place it) ...to meet with the black pope (of that time). I am not 100% sure, but I believe that mountaintop location was the location of the Mount Graham lucifer telescope. They always used me at those locations. They aren't about looking into "space." There is a spiritual purpose for these "telescopes."

It seemed to fit the subject line here. I hope it was okay to share.

 

[David in NJ]

It's interesting to me that you mention this (in bold). One thing I know because of my history of being born into multigenerational SRA/MK, is that the huge telescopes aren't what they seem. The Lucifer telescope at Mount Graham ...as well as the VLT and ELT in Chile ..are built on mountains and locations considered portals. I was brought to these locations as a small child (from age 3) to be used on altars as a conduit to bring in more fallen entities.

I was also brought to the Mayan pyramids and the Temple Mount where they do conduct satanic rituals involving nephilim. I was brought to a mountaintop ritual location that was fenced off with high security, back in about 1982(ish, the best I can place it) ...to meet with the black pope (of that time). I am not 100% sure, but I believe that mountaintop location was the location of the Mount Graham lucifer telescope. They always used me at those locations. They aren't about looking into "space." There is a spiritual purpose for these "telescopes."

It seemed to fit the subject line here. I hope it was okay to share.

Dear Sister in Christ,

Thank you for sharing your powerful testimony.

Most christians have been blinded to the worldwide deception and activity of satanists - tv, movies and man centered churches aided that.

Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one for your sakes in the presence of Christ, lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices. - 2 Cor 2:10-11

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, but it is simpler than that, and the vehement attitude of those who don't actually know--yes, can certainly add to the problem.

TRUTH and the Holy Spirit, my dear brother in Christ, will add FIRE = for sure!

 

[David in NJ]

It's interesting to me that you mention this (in bold). One thing I know because of my history of being born into multigenerational SRA/MK, is that the huge telescopes aren't what they seem. The Lucifer telescope at Mount Graham ...as well as the VLT and ELT in Chile ..are built on mountains and locations considered portals. I was brought to these locations as a small child (from age 3) to be used on altars as a conduit to bring in more fallen entities.

I was also brought to the Mayan pyramids and the Temple Mount where they do conduct satanic rituals involving nephilim. I was brought to a mountaintop ritual location that was fenced off with high security, back in about 1982(ish, the best I can place it) ...to meet with the black pope (of that time). I am not 100% sure, but I believe that mountaintop location was the location of the Mount Graham lucifer telescope. They always used me at those locations. They aren't about looking into "space." There is a spiritual purpose for these "telescopes."

It seemed to fit the subject line here. I hope it was okay to share.

YES, they are always seeking the portals and the timing.
What they were limited in their aspirations became a reality with CERN

The satanists are specifically looking to set free the very powerful fallen angels that are locked up in the depth of the earth.

CERN is where they are now focused for that actuation.

Also the telescopes have another purpose for the satanists = they are preparing for the LORD's Return and want as much advance notice as possible.

 

[rvmb]

Go ahead and do the math on that equation if you want. I was up the hill on west Maui looking eight miles across to the island of Lanai, and coming down to the shoreline road, the wrecked freighter on Shipwreck Beach disappeared below the horizon.

 

[rvmb]

Go ahead and do the math on that equation if you want. I was up the hill on west Maui looking eight miles across to the island of Lanai, and coming down to the shoreline road, the wrecked freighter on Shipwreck Beach disappeared below the horizon.

""""I was up the hill on west Maui looking eight miles across to the island of Lanai,""""
and with good binoculars you could wave to each other.
Could you still see each at those locations if you were both standing on the shoreline with binoculars or a telescope ?

 

[rvmb]

Yet here people are trying to explain the earth as a globe?

Show me a map of the flat earth :)

 

[marks]

https://lamont.columbia.edu/news/what-would-happen-if-earth-were-actually-flat

 

[Rudometkin]

"It's an optical illusion".

You see this all the time, with approaching cars, trains, birds, everything. But not the sun or moon.

So just calling this an optical illusion is a total cop-out. It's just ignoring what is in front of your face.

Much love!

marks, you are distorting our conversation.

I didn't "just call it an optical illusion". So why do you misrepresent? Is that how you try to keep up with me? Please be accurate instead.

How about you address this from my previous message?

Here's a message I found from a physics website:

Yesterday we had a super moon full moon. At moonrise I held a transparent ruler at arm's length and measured the size of the moon against the ruler. It was 7.5 mm. At 11 pm I held the same ruler at arm's length against the moon which was now high in the sky. It was only 4 mm. This is not imaginary. It is real and observable. The larger size is caused by a refraction of light when the moon is at the horizon because the light has to pass through greater amounts of atmosphere to reach you compared to when it is overhead. The same is true of the setting sun. In fact, I recall reading years ago (I believe in my daughter's physics book) that we are actually seeing below the horizon at sunset because of light is being bent by the atmosphere. This phenomenon is worldwide. It is not imaginary. As far as I know it is sound science.

If light refraction changes the visual size of the sun and moon, then appealing to the visual size of the sun and moon is not acceptable proof for your globe earth model. You need to address this.

Saying "you see it all the time with approaching birds, but not the moon" is not sufficient. The ball is in your court. Catch it this time.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I love watching Dean Odle's teachings and materials. Thank you for posting this. Have you seen his Biblical Cosmology videos? I was thinking to post those soon.

 

[Rudometkin]

Show me a map of the flat earth :)

I'm sure you can Google it just as easily as I can there are multiple.

 

[Rudometkin]

https://lamont.columbia.edu/news/what-would-happen-if-earth-were-actually-flat

A website that uses a bunch of premises that would have to be untrue if the earth is flat.

"Hey, let's use globe earth logic to refute the flat earth".

In reality if the earth is flat, then much of the globe earth logic must be thrown out with the globe earth model, as it would clearly be gobblygook made up to support the globe earth model.

 

[marks]

In fact, I recall reading years ago (I believe in my daughter's physics book) that we are actually seeing below the horizon at sunset because of light is being bent by the atmosphere. This phenomenon is worldwide. It is not imaginary. As far as I know it is sound science.

Below the horizon? Seriously? You've just made my case.

Saying "you see it all the time with approaching birds, but not the moon" is not sufficient.

It is sufficient. Do the experiment yourself. I have. Anyone can.

Much love!

 

[TLHKAJ]

I'm sure you can Google it just as easily as I can there are multiple.

What do you and @David in NJ think about there being continents beyond the ice wall? Now that I've "broken the ice" about my experiences, I want to share more ...things I remember but do not fit within the paradigm or narrative that most of the world lives in.

I remember being taken via travel technology that most would classify as "UFOs" ...but it was 100% not alien technology. I was taken to places that to me, the only words I've ever had to describe it was ... "ends of the earth" locations. I could see land that was more like grasslands ...then beyond that, icy, tall peaks and deep crevasses. I saw small remote villages here and there ...then the terrain was more dramatic with tall peaks and deep crevasses. And then at the point the "craft" (or whatever the vehicle was) took me into one of the large deep crevasses, I don't remember more. But I do remember land masses (from a very high altitude) that look nothing like what we have seen on maps.

And I know that somewhere in my preteen years, I was taken to one of these places ....it was beautiful, clean, and lush ...no air pollution, smog, or extreme weather. It was eden-like, honestly ...mountains covered with green foliage and trees, valleys ...
But nestles in the valley was a very small village and a private school at the base of one of the mountains. At that school, I remember our teacher and superintendent introducing us kids to a new student. Her name was Marlena. Marlena was human from the waist up, and from the waist down, a mixture of animal ...4 legs and 2 sets of wings. She seemed very humanlike, and just wanted to be accepted. I had been so deeply surrounded by evil all my life and she seemed like a human who was genetically manipulated in a dish ...rather than demonic or a house for a demon to dwell in. I realize I could be wrong ...but at this point, it's in God's hands to decipher and sort out.

When I told these experiences to a friend of mine back in 2015, she didn't say anything, but went and researched it. This is what she found and sent back to me via email.

I was shocked, amazed ....and validated. This UNICEF video was so much like what I and the other children at that private school experienced. The scenario very much the same, and even the name ....."MARciano" ...." "MARlena." The video could seem so benign (except for the sorcery) and seems to be promoting acceptance, love, tolerance of people who are different. But it's much deeper than that. And I can't help but feel a bit gaslighted by that video.

I strayed from my topic a bit, but those things fit within my thought patterns of remembering seeing enda of the earth locations, and land masses that aren't shown on maps produced for mass consumption. Making sense?

 

[rvmb]

I'm sure you can Google it just as easily as I can there are multiple.

Yes, I've seen the many amusing FLAT EARTH "artist impression ones ".
*****
Can you give a logical explanation for why Tromso is NO SUNLIGHT today
While Vredenburg is having 14 hours today ?

 

[Rudometkin]

Below the horizon? Seriously? You've just made my case.

Marks, focus on the topic at hand.

Maybe that author mentioned language that adheres to a globe earth model. However that is not the focus here, buddy. The focus is their testimony of measuring the moon at nearly half the visual size of itself at differing times.

I'm not saying their message is as true as Gospel. I'm showing that people are claiming to record the moon nearly doubling in it's visual size. You can reject that it happens if you want.

It could be true that they measured the moon visually changing sizes, but they are wrong about the global horizon part. So focus and handle this objection like a rational person please.

The moon is said to nearly double in its visual size at times due to light refraction. So appealing to the visual size of the moon is not sufficient in proving the globe earth model, because the size you see may not be reflecting accurately.

 

[Rudometkin]

Yes, I've seen the many amusing FLAT EARTH "artist impression ones ".
*****
Can you give a logical explanation for why Tromso is NO SUNLIGHT today
While Vredenburg is having 14 hours today ?

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I'd have to find the locations on a map and see. It is something I am interested in. And although I am highly disappointed in you for avoiding several of my previous messages, I do appreciate you for posting fair challenges on the board.

Of course if it is true that sunlight hit and didn't hit those specific areas at those times, and if couldn't be explained on a flat earth map, then it would be very problematic for the flat earth model. However as far as I know, it may be easily explainable for the flat earth model and not on the globe earth model, I wouldn't know. The globe earth model can be a bit complex to study while keeping all relevant details considered. It is perhaps the arrogant or ignorant people who simply claim it is "simple".

In the meantime, can you provide justification for why NASA would have faked the crescent of the earth for their famous "blue marble" photo in their famous Apollo mission?

 

[rvmb]

You emphasized the TRUTH of which i stated.

THINK TRUTH and you will be set free from the global mindset of falsehood.

Here it is one more time:

The heaviest tank is 188 Ton = for it to stay on a ball/globe earth, the force of gravity pulling on the tank MUST equal (actually more so)
the weight of the tank. You would be squashed like a bug the instant you stepped near that tank.

How does fake gravity follow the tank around to ensue that the necessary force keeps it on the round globe spinning thru space? LOL

What about the Pacific ocean = LOLx1,00000000000000000000000000

God said it correctly: "Thinking themselves as wise, they became fools"

FYI - the Gospel sets us free from all falsehood = IF one were to BELIEVE every word that proceeds from the Mouth of GOD

Read Matthew 4:1-11

And the FLAT EARTH reason that explains why TODAY Tromslo has NO sunhours while Vredenburg has 14 hours is ?

You emphasized the TRUTH of which i stated.

THINK TRUTH and you will be set free from the global mindset of falsehood.

Here it is one more time:

The heaviest tank is 188 Ton = for it to stay on a ball/globe earth, the force of gravity pulling on the tank MUST equal (actually more so)
the weight of the tank. You would be squashed like a bug the instant you stepped near that tank.

How does fake gravity follow the tank around to ensue that the necessary force keeps it on the round globe spinning thru space? LOL

What about the Pacific ocean = LOLx1,00000000000000000000000000

God said it correctly: "Thinking themselves as wise, they became fools"

FYI - the Gospel sets us free from all falsehood = IF one were to BELIEVE every word that proceeds from the Mouth of GOD

Read Matthew 4:1-11

 

[rvmb]

I'd have to find the locations on a map and see. It is something I am interested in. And although I am highly disappointed in you for avoiding several of my previous messages, I do appreciate you for posting fair challenges on the board.

Of course if it is true that sunlight hit and didn't hit those specific areas at those times, and if couldn't be explained on a flat earth map, then it would be very problematic for the flat earth model. However as far as I know, it may be easily explainable for the flat earth model and not on the globe earth model, I wouldn't know. The globe earth model can be a bit complex to study while keeping all relevant details considered. It is perhaps the arrogant or ignorant people who simply claim it is "simple".

In the meantime, can you provide justification for why NASA would have faked the crescent of the earth for their famous "blue marble" photo in their famous Apollo mission?

The Bible is not on trial :)
I simply seek a FLAT EARTH reason as to why Tromso today has NO SUN while Vredenburg has 14 hours sun.
It should be a VERY EASY question for flat earther to explain