ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR US?

[Doug]

“9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. ”
1 Peter 2:9-10 KJV

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Who is Peter addressing here? The same people Jesus is addressing here...

Israel was said to be priests in the kingdom. Only Israel was said to be priests and a holy nation........
[Exo 19:5 KJV] "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:"
[Exo 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."

 

[David in NJ]

The thing everyone is missing is the holiness of the day.

Idolatry is SIN
saturday sabbath has been superceded by the LORD of the Sabbath
Worshipping a day of the week, saturday, as the way to Salvation is SIN.

This is WHY the LORD gave a DEATH sentence to all who worked on His Sabbath REST = Exodus 31:

And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 13“Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you.
Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.
15Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”


NOTICE, that i did NOT say worshipping on saturday is sin, as that is PERFECTLY acceptable in the Eyes of God.

But, if a person profanes the Finished Work of Christ on the Cross for our REST by adding to His FINISHED Work = i fear for that person of how they will be judged

But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[Doug]

Are you a disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ? Because if you state that only Paul's writings are for us then you cannot be.

Paul is our apostle and in his epistles we find instructions on regulating the church and our behavior as becoming saints and pleasing God. By following Paul we follow Christ...........[1Co 11:1 KJV] "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ."
Jesus revealed all that Paul has written. Paul gives us our commandments..........[1Co 14:37 KJV] "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

 

[Doug]

Think for a moment or two. Please explain why the early church suffered no condemnation from the Jews for abandoning the Sabbath.

I dont get what you are asking please elaborate

 

[shepherdsword]

Paul is our apostle and in his epistles we find instructions on regulating the church and our behavior as becoming saints and pleasing God. By following Paul we follow Christ...........[1Co 11:1 KJV] "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ."
Jesus revealed all that Paul has written. Paul gives us our commandments..........[1Co 14:37 KJV] "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

You misunderstand Paul and have fallen into the trap Peter mentioned here:

2 Pe 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Paul followed Christ and he expected us to to the same.Stop plucking verses out of context to promote your error. Let's look at the context:

1 Co 10:31-11:1
1 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

He was simply saying we should follow his example in this context. It is sheer follow to claim he was saying to follow him instead of Christ.

 

[shepherdsword]

The ten commandments were a covenant that if Israel failed to keep would result in cursing. The Gentiles werent given them, but Gentiles were given them written in their hearts The moral principles and character of God remain. Paul as I said restates them but we arent under covenant to keep them We keep the commandments Paul gives us to please God and because they are right. Paul never said the commandments were done away with.......[Rom 7:12-13 KJV] 12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful..........the commandment were to show sin and still do. We thru the Spirit and grace can reflect the righteousness in them.

The gentiles were given them by Paul. If they are not followed Jesus will say:

Mt 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

But OH YEAH, these words are not for us either (how absurd)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What I meant was he restated what the ten commandments conveyed. We thru the Spirit are able to reflect the intent of the commandments. Paul did not command the sabbath.

Paul called the commandments a ministry of death. that is the intent of the commandments

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I believe the Sabbath was made for man... not the Jews. It was incorporated in the 10 commandments and is the only one that starts with "remember." It is the ONLY day that God made holy....

I posted the verses showing that the Sabbath was for Israel alone.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

prove it, show me the verses saying we dont have to keep the sabbath. there are none. however the believers of Christ do what he asks because we Love Him. and he did say clearly to keep his commandments.

And you will not find one command for the church to keep THE Sabbath. Because it is a sign opf the covenant for all generations between God and Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Galatians 4:10–11
Paul is warning people who were going back to their old religious calendars and pagan customs. He is not talking about the Sabbath God made holy at creation. The Sabbath is not a “man-made day.” It is the only day God blessed and sanctified with His own words. Nothing in that passage mentions the Ten Commandments or the Sabbath command, so it does not prove your point.

So very very wrong! The whole crux of the Galatian letter was to condemn the Judiazers who came and tried to get the Gentiles to convert to "Christian Judaism". To be circumcised, to follow the Sabbaths, new moons and feast days of Israel.

Romans 14
This passage deals with matters where God did not give a command, like people choosing their own fasting days or personal practices. These were “disputable” because God never commanded them. But the Sabbath is not a personal choice. It is part of the Ten Commandments that God spoke Himself. Jesus kept it, taught it, and never placed it in the category of optional days. Romans 14 cannot be used to cancel something God commanded at creation.

1. God did not command Sabbath observation at Creation. The first time it was given as a command was at Sinai!

Exodus 31
You say this proves the Sabbath is only for Israel, but that is not correct. God spoke to Israel because Israel was the only nation following Him at that time. But God never closed the Sabbath to other nations. In the Old Testament, He welcomed strangers who joined themselves to Him, and He said that anyone who keeps His Sabbath and walks in His covenant will be received by Him. The Sabbath is a sign of belonging to God, and anyone who follows God is counted among His people.

None of the verses you quoted say the Sabbath was cancelled. None of them say it became optional. None of them say Gentiles are free from it. Jesus kept the Sabbath. Jesus taught the commandments. His disciples continued to keep it after His resurrection. The verses you used do not speak against the Sabbath God blessed at creation, so they cannot be used to remove it.

Then why didn't He give a clear command to teh church when it started going Gentile like He did to Israel. No! It was given as a sign of the covenant God had and still has with teh nation of Israel.

 

[CTK]

I posted the verses showing that the Sabbath was for Israel alone.

Thanks Ron. Please consider the following:

The clearest place it’s said outright is by Jesus Himself:

1. Jesus’ statement in Mark 2:27

And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”​

2. The Sabbath rooted in Creation (before there was a Jew) in Genesis 2:2–3

And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.​

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Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.​

3. The commandment itself appeals to Creation, not to Jewish ethnicity in Exodus 20:8–11

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy…​

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For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.​

4. Blessing promised to any person and foreigner who keeps the Sabbath in Isaiah 56:2, 6–7

Blessed is the man who does this,​

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And the son of man who lays hold on it;​

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Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,​

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And keeps his hand from doing any evil.​

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Also the sons of the foreigner​

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Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him…​

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Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,​

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And holds fast My covenant—​

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Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,​

And make them joyful in My house of prayer…​

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The church is the true Israel. The nation and/or any other institution or group claiming to be such are liars.

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. ”
Revelation 3:9 KJV

So you are one fo those! sorry but the church is the Church and Israel is Israel. The promises to Israel yet to be fulfilled are for the children of Abrahm, Isaac, and Jacob and not for the church. The Bible is clear. anbd Please do not use Galatians.

6 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

To say this means the church is Israel is to totally abandon all sound logic, hermeneutics and basic rules of grammar!

 

[Brakelite]

Worshipping a day of the week, saturday, as the way to Salvation is SIN

Yep

 

[David in NJ]

Yep

You know i love you and am NOT against you at all.

Gather and worship on saturday as your heart is in the Truth of Christ is wonderful.

 

[David in NJ]

Yep

Today, we are no longer under the Tutor of the Law - HalleluYAH


Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, 2but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. 3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

6And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

 

[Doug]

ABSOLUTELY NOT

Only in the LORD Jesus Christ have the Ten Commandments been Fulfilled.

The Ten Commandments are in CHRIST

Paul and us who are SAVED find Safety in CHRIST and HE alone empowers us by the HOLY SPIRIT to Obey His Commandments
For no man has ever kept all Ten Commandments but CHRIST

JESUS pointed this out in His Gospel = keep reading and praying as you do, the Gospel of John

Yes only Jesus fulfilled the law
What I am saying is Jesus commanded our obedience to the restating of all of the ten commandments, except the sabbath, thru Paul writing them down in his epistles

 

[David in NJ]

Yes only Jesus fulfilled the law
What I am saying is Jesus commanded our obedience to the restating of all of the ten commandments, except the sabbath, thru Paul writing them down in his epistles

GREAT

God's Sabbath REST is still commanded!!!
But not on any day of the week.

Why did JESUS and the apostles not command the keeping of saturday sabbath rest???

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes only Jesus fulfilled the law
What I am saying is Jesus commanded our obedience to the restating of all of the ten commandments, except the sabbath, thru Paul writing them down in his epistles

While the "sabbath" as a particular day isn't mentioned there is a "rest". It is a spiritual reality that must be entered into by faith and experienced EVERY day. This is the reality that the sabbath day was a shadow and type of.

Heb 3:15-4:2 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation. For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

4 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

 

[Doug]

You misunderstand Paul and have fallen into the trap Peter mentioned here:

2 Pe 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Paul followed Christ and he expected us to to the same.Stop plucking verses out of context to promote your error. Let's look at the context:

1 Co 10:31-11:1
1 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

He was simply saying we should follow his example in this context. It is sheer follow to claim he was saying to follow him instead of Christ.

2 Pe 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Paul followed Christ and he expected us to to the same.Stop plucking verses out of context to promote your error. Let's look at the context:

Not being facetious here, but didnt you just "pluck out" a couple verses?
You can use a verse wrongly, but it's not wrong to cite a verse to uphold your understanding, it should align with other verses by the reader

1 Co 10:31-11:1
1 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

He was simply saying we should follow his example in this context. It is sheer follow to claim he was saying to follow him instead of Christ.

Paul did not say to follow him instead of Christ

 

[Doug]

He was simply saying we should follow his example in this context. It is sheer follow to claim he was saying to follow him instead of Christ.

Here is what I said...................
Paul is our apostle and in his epistles we find instructions on regulating the church and our behavior as becoming saints and pleasing God. By following Paul we follow Christ...........[1Co 11:1 KJV] "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ."
Jesus revealed all that Paul has written. Paul gives us our commandments..........[1Co 14:37 KJV] "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."

Wher did I or Paul say to follow him instead of Christ?