David in NJ
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You are missing out on a most Glorious Truth about the FATHER of Heavenly lights.
Flat Earth Theory
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Grailhunter
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Coming from someone who thinks they live on a cracker. I guess you think the Moon is not round either? Do you think the water of the oceans runs off the edges....to where? Or do you think there are dams at the edges of the cracker. But at least we know why the oceans are salty.....it is a saltine cracker. No matter how high I go I will never see the Eiffel Tower because the world is round.
A text taken out of context,
is a pretext.
Not in every circumstance of course.
Though when intentionally done to support that which the text in question, in context, does not support, is at best poor exegesis, at worst, completely disengenous.
Here's the text in context.
James 1:14-20 (CWSB)
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Be a Doer of the Word
19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
This passage refers to the sinfulness of men, and the Holy perfection of God. There is nothing here that even vaguely insinuates the shape of His creation, flat, round, oblate, convex, concave, hollow or otherwise.
ScottA
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Think David, think!
Is God actually, only, physically "above?" Is that what is true of God? No. Absolutely not!
The diver is looking under the hood, but he doesn't know what he's looking at.
It would have been better if you had allowed for God being "all around" as that would at least be two dimensional. But no--He is all around as from the Center out in EVERY direction, and even within--especially within. All that is is His sphere, circle--whatever. So, move past the thinking of earth-bound men of the world, and hear the all of God that is presented--it is not just physical, not just space, time, and matter, or even limited to the overall physical universe. And what He has made, He has made manifest by "image"--giving form to all as He is at the center of it all in every direction--because He is. Meaning, this physical world--ain't no tabletop world-size terrarium light show.
ScottA
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ScottA
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ScottA
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Tell that to the Author. Perhaps you thought that was me--it's not.
In any case "exegesis" teachings are the teachings of men. Not a good reference.
David in NJ
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Sir, it is you who mistakenly presume that biblical cosmology implies we live on a soggy saltine.
I can only speak for myself, and my own understanding of the topic at hand. I do not "believe" that the earth is flat. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, His person, His purpose, His perfect sacrifice, His bodily resurrection, His High Holy Priesthood, and His imminent return, and these are the only things of which I can say, without reservation, that I am 100% certain are verifiably and undeniably true.
I have however, with a reasonable amount of certainty, concluded that Satan is the god of this world, a liar, and all who do not have the seal of Gods Holy Spirit, are to varying degrees, under his power and control, which sadly, is most of the population of the earth.
Therefore, I do not place my trust in men. I do not place my trust in mathematics, modern medicine, the sciences (so called) or even theology, or in the practitioners thereof, especially theologians.
It is clear however, that you do. Theologians possibly excluded.
What is also clear, is that you are not the sort of person to do a lot of research before making comments about things which you clearly do not understand. If you were, you would not have presumed that the views of myself and my friends here, are anywhere near as absurd as you perceive them to be.
If you must continue in berating and belittling us for what you assume to be our "beliefs" at least take the time to familiarize yourself with what those beliefs actually are.
David in NJ
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The secular humanist loves to think that gravity is factual, for they must in order for a spinning ball where HUGE Oceans must cling to.
Gravity cannot be proven for it does not exist.
If you understood the enormous force required to hold a 188 Ton tank to the earth that is spinning in all directions, let alone an entire OCEAN of WATER, you would be laughing with GOD at the globalists/satanists who control the world thru deception.
Please read 1 John 5:19
ScottA
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Correction:
That is all well and good in biblical principle. But most passages of scripture are not just written for their moral and godly behavioral benefit. More importantly, those moral topics are given like the commonly limited parables, for their greater meaning wherein the object is actually not even the subject.
But let's do look at the context--but in that greater way of God:
The context is about God being above (which does not mean limited to the physical world--heaven forbid!) where there is no shadow of turning, no day and night as the world turns, and this world which in a manner of speaking, is "down" or below where day and night are made manifest with those shadows of turning. In other words, this world is beneath God metaphorically, and made manifest in form having day and night and turning--not as a tabletop terrarium with a on and off light show.
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Exegesis is nothing more than a systematic explanation or understanding of a text. A careful examination of the scriptures. The type of careful examination for which Paul congratulated the Bereans. It is neither good or bad in and of itself.
ScottA
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"Precept upon precept, here a little there a little"--yes, that is exactly how I am speaking to you.
ScottA
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Oh it's good to study the words--it's just not good to "systematically explain or understand" them. The words are spirit--and you put them in boxes.
Grailhunter
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College educated theologian educated in five countries.....thank you. But my profession was into quantum mechanics, submarines, and nuclear weapons.
21 “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way
And from the evil of their doings.
23 “Am I a God near at hand,” says the Lord,
“And not a God afar off?
24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places,
So I shall not see him?” says the Lord;
“Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the Lord.
25 “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart, 27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
28 “The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat?” says the Lord.
29 “Is not My word like a fire?” says the Lord,
“And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?
30 “Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who steal My words every one from his neighbor. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who use their tongues and say, ‘He says.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” says the Lord, “and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all,” says the Lord.
Bible Gateway passage: Jeremiah 23 - New King James Version
The Branch of Righteousness - “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will...
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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Love the scriptures you listed here - ty21 “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.
I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way
And from the evil of their doings.
23 “Am I a God near at hand,” says the Lord,
“And not a God afar off?
24 Can anyone hide himself in secret places,
So I shall not see him?” says the Lord;
“Do I not fill heaven and earth?” says the Lord.
25 “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ 26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart, 27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
28 “The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream;
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully.
What is the chaff to the wheat?” says the Lord.
29 “Is not My word like a fire?” says the Lord,
“And like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?
30 “Therefore behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who steal My words every one from his neighbor. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets,” says the Lord, “who use their tongues and say, ‘He says.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” says the Lord, “and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all,” says the Lord.
Bible Gateway passage: Jeremiah 23 - New King James Version
The Branch of Righteousness - “Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them. Behold, I will...www.biblegateway.com
especially this:
But if they had stood in My counsel,
And had caused My people to hear My words,
Then they would have turned them from their evil way
And from the evil of their doings.
What do you "hear" God Saying in His words = Jeremiah 31:35-37
Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
Thus says the Lord:
“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord.
