WHAT RESURRECTION HAS HAPPENED?

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Doug

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Simple = VERY SIMPLE my brother

Mark 10:5 is BEFORE the Lord went to the Cross and shed His Blood for all nations.

The Beginning point for the New Covenant is with Israel and the Jewish people = Romans 1:16

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

This is EXACTLY what we SEE in Acts
I wrote this........................As far as submitting to every word You cant How can you obey both of these verses at the same time without knowing they arent to be obeyed except by the disciples at the specific time they were given.......[Mat 10:5 KJV] "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:" How can you not go to Gentiles and go to them at the same time.......[Mat 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

How does that have anything to do with Christ going to the cross (by the way Matthew 28:19 is after the cross)
The point was her saying we have to keep all the commandments. How can you keep both of the above commandments/you cant
 

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Doug, clearly this was at that specific time and circumstance, how can you apply this today? see the difference? you have to use discernment here.
So you are a dispensational right divider after all.
 
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I wrote this........................As far as submitting to every word You cant How can you obey both of these verses at the same time without knowing they arent to be obeyed except by the disciples at the specific time they were given.......[Mat 10:5 KJV] "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:" How can you not go to Gentiles and go to them at the same time.......[Mat 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

How does that have anything to do with Christ going to the cross (by the way Matthew 28:19 is after the cross)
The point was her saying we have to keep all the commandments. How can you keep both of the above commandments/you cant
"How can you obey both of these verses at the same time without knowing they arent to be obeyed except by the disciples at the specific time they were given......"

Very Simple for it is exactly as JESUS Commanded:
a.) Go first to Israel
b.) as they went forward with the Gospel, the HOLY SPIRIT now takes Over
c.) which leads the Body of Christ to Acts
d.) Where we SEE the HOLY SPIRIT directing Peter to the Gentiles = Acts chapter 10

READ Gospel of John and Acts and always SUBMIT you whole entire mind, heart, soul and PRAY = Everytime
 

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No Doug please use discernment, a direction to the disciples to go on the other side of a crowd is not a commandment like for example the Ten commaldments
I get you are saying that you are talking about moral commandments or spreading the gospel I was only pointing out that you cant say to keep all his commandments because you cant
 
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Paul cannot save you Doug, only Christ can. Listen to him.
Jesus’ commands do not contradict each other at all. What changes is the moment, not His truth. A teacher can give one instruction today and another instruction tomorrow depending on the situation. That does not make the teacher confused. It means the students must follow him step by step. Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice,” and that is exactly how He led His disciples.

When you say that “don’t take money” and later “take money” means a different program, that is your own idea, not Jesus’ teaching. Jesus was preparing His disciples. First He taught them to trust the Father. Later He warned them about danger. His commandments about how to live, how to love, how to obey the Father never changed. Only the mission instructions changed because the situation changed. That is normal leadership, not dispensationalism. we have discussed this already, did you forget?

You keep calling this “right division,” but Jesus never taught that. He said His words will judge us on the last day, not your system and not Paul’s writings. His teachings are eternal. His moment-by-moment instructions move with the mission. That is not two different plans. It is one Shepherd guiding His flock.

You also say that some commands “cannot be obeyed today,” so the rest of Jesus’ teachings must be separated. But you are confusing commandments with instructions. Eternal commandments are things like loving your enemies, forgiving, keeping His word, and doing the will of the Father. Instructions are things tied to a situation, like where to go and what to bring. Jesus never said that a change of instruction cancels His commandments.

When you claim the “specific moment” is found in Paul’s epistles, you actually leave Jesus aside. Jesus never told us to wait for Paul to explain the final plan. He said the Spirit would remind the disciples of everything He Himself said. His own words are the standard for all time.

You also say the apostles agreed “not to go to the nations,” but that is simply not true. Jesus commanded them after His resurrection to go to all nations, and His words cannot fail. Peter was sent to Gentiles directly by God in Acts 10. The gospel spread far beyond Israel through the apostles Jesus trained. You try to use Galatians to override Jesus, but Jesus’ own command stands above everything else.

So no, this is not dispensationalism. This is simple obedience. A King gives one instruction for today and another for tomorrow, while His teachings stay the same. His moral truth, the Ten Commandments, the Covenant never changes. His commandments never change. His mission orders move forward as He leads. Jesus is the same Lord in all of it.

I follow Christ as should you.
Paul cannot save you Doug, only Christ can. Listen to him.
Jesus spoke salvation thru Paul. Paul doesnt save me Christ does revealed thru Paul
A teacher can give one instruction today and another instruction tomorrow depending on the situation. That does not make the teacher confused.
Christ giving different messages doent mean he was confused
 
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"How can you obey both of these verses at the same time without knowing they arent to be obeyed except by the disciples at the specific time they were given......"

Very Simple for it is exactly as JESUS Commanded:
a.) Go first to Israel
b.) as they went forward with the Gospel, the HOLY SPIRIT now takes Over
c.) which leads the Body of Christ to Acts
d.) Where we SEE the HOLY SPIRIT directing Peter to the Gentiles = Acts chapter 10

READ Gospel of John and Acts and always SUBMIT you whole entire mind, heart, soul and PRAY = Everytime
It still remains you cant obey both commandments at the same time. They can only be understood as separate commands given at different times. Alot of Jesus's commands were only commanding the disciples not us
 

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It still remains you cant obey both commandments at the same time. They can only be understood as separate commands given at different times. Alot of Jesus's commands were only commanding the disciples not us
Doug,

God gave Moses a command to go up the mountain .
Does that mean we are to climb Mount Sinai to hear from God?

God told the Israelites to build an altar and sacrifice animals on it.
Are we to do the same today?

What are God's instructions for us Today?
 
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Doug, clearly this was at that specific time and circumstance, how can you apply this today? see the difference? you have to use discernment here.
Here is the exchange...........
With all due respect that is evasive. His commandments werent all moral eternal commandments..............[Mat 8:18 KJV] "Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side."
Doug, clearly this was at that specific time and circumstance, how can you apply this today? see the difference? you have to use discernment here.

This example I gave about departing to the other side was only to show we cant obey everything in scripture. It would be impossible to follow Jesus and obey this commandment because it was obviously for that time he was on earth

You acknowledged this passage was for a specific time only. That is the fundamental basis of dispensationalism. Why does this make you angry?
 

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Jesus didnt reveal the rapture because it was a mystery hid in God not made known until Jesus revealed it to Paul
The mystery was that we would be changed. He detailed this in:

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.





[1Co 15:51 KJV] "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

Next verse:
1 Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

What is the last trump?

Rv 11:15-18
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
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Doug,

God gave Moses a command to go up the mountain .
Does that mean we are to climb Mount Sinai to hear from God?

God told the Israelites to build an altar and sacrifice animals on it.
Are we to do the same today?

What are God's instructions for us Today?
If you say we obey every Word then you have a problem with obeying all you said dont you?
Our instructions are in Paul's epistles
 

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If you say we obey every Word then you have a problem with obeying all you said dont you?
Our instructions are in Paul's epistles
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JESUS Says: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

We are to follow the Commandments that the LORD Jesus Christ gave to us in His Gospel = Begin with John ch3

More then once i said to you to read, pray as you read, Gospel of John and Acts
 
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JESUS Says: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

We are to follow the Commandments that the LORD Jesus Christ gave to us in His Gospel = Begin with John ch3

More then once i said to you to read, pray as you read, Gospel of John and Acts
jibber -jabber
Not a compelling refute
We are to follow the Commandments that the LORD Jesus Christ gave to us in His Gospel = Begin with John ch3
Show me in John chap3 what you are talking about