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What chapter and verse is that? I can't find this in the Bible. What translation do you use?Of course it is. The rapture takes place before the battle of Armageddon does.
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What chapter and verse is that? I can't find this in the Bible. What translation do you use?Of course it is. The rapture takes place before the battle of Armageddon does.
Of course it is. The rapture takes place before the battle of Armageddon does.
What chapter and verse is that? I can't find this in the Bible. What translation do you use?
Matt 25.37-46I agree but you might want to clarify what you are meaning since Pretribbers might take that to mean you agree with them about a Pretrib rapture.
Matt 25.37-46
In the TRIB David can lose his salvation by failing to perform.
Eph 2.8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3:5-7, Rom 4:5, Rom 5.1
Today David can't
If David goes into the trib then David failed to get 1 Th 4.16-17 raptured and will then be under trib rules to be saved.
Conc - trib is a different age, different rules than today
Yet that s&g judgement judges the performance of those in the tribulation, YES ?The way I view the sheep and goats judgment it has zero to do with what took place or did not take place during great tribulation. Granted, great tribulation precedes this judgment. But that doesn't mean this judgment is specifically involving what someone did or did not do during great tribulation. It is a judgment involving professed servants of Christ. His profitable ones and His unprofitable ones. Just read in ch 25 what precedes this judgment. Then read the end of ch 24. The context is involving professed servants of His. Where some are faithful and others are unfaithful. The former is meaning the sheep. The latter is meaning the goats. It's that simple. It's called interpreting Scripture in context.
What chapter and verse is that? I can't find this in the Bible. What translation do you use?
Matt 25.37-46
In the TRIB David can lose his salvation by failing to perform.
Eph 2.8-9, Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Titus 3:5-7, Rom 4:5, Rom 5.1
Today David can't
If David goes into the trib then David failed to get 1 Th 4.16-17 raptured and will then be under trib rules to be saved.
I looked and found no verses that say that.Rev 19. It shows Christ descending from the sky to fight at Armageddon. In the timeless the resurrection and rapture happens just before the events of Rev 19/white horse etc.
++++No one can fail to be rapturedNo one can fail to be raptured. Either you are a saved Christian and survived the trib and are raptured, or you worshipped the AC and took part in the apostasia/departure.
The text says Jesus comes IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION and then sends His angels to gather the elect. This doesn't work in the you timeline. The text would have to say Jesus send His angels before the tribulation is over.
++++No one can fail to be raptured
If the rapture happens in the next 5 mins, will everybody be gone or just the saved ?
+++The rapture happens once the trib is over so it cannot happen in the next 5 minThe rapture happens once the trib is over so it cannot happen in the next 5 min. Only the saved saints who are alive and remain will be raptured. Everyone else gets the wrath of God and it starts with those who took the mark, the first vial of wrath.
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The rapture removes believers so they may *avoid* the bowl judgments.+++The rapture happens once the trib is over
The second rapture happens at the 6th seal. Those raptured will not only avoid the bowls, but they will also avoid the trumpets as both are the wrath of God and are released when the 7th seal is opened.The rapture removes believers so they may *avoid* the bowl judgments.
The Bible says: "the Lord will come suddenly to his temple" (Malachi 3:1).
No temple --> no second coming.
When we realize that the fig tree has two harvests, there are two folds of sheep, Jacob had two brides we realize there are two raptures.The rapture happens after the trib is over not right before it ends. The verse you refer to proves that. This means pretrib and midtrib are unscriptural.
If David goes into the trib then David failed to get 1 Th 4.16-17 raptured and will then be under trib rules to be saved.
Conc - trib is a different age, different rules than today
Jesus only teaches one rapture gathering, same with Paul+++The rapture happens once the trib is over so it cannot happen in the next 5 min
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