ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS FOR US?

[David in NJ]

Hey David
Didnt I give scripture. What does it say. It's not stuff I made up

In everyplace in the Gospel, JESUS invites "whosever believes shall be saved"

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Do you think this is only speaking of Jewish men???

 

[David in NJ]

Hey David
Didnt I give scripture. What does it say. It's not stuff I made up

This which you said is "made up" from men of religion = "NOTE BELIEVE ON HIS NAME Jesus didnt come to save Gentiles, he came to Israel, to save them............."

 

[Doug]

In everyplace in the Gospel, JESUS invites "whosever believes shall be saved"

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men.
5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Do you think this is only speaking of Jewish men???

I posted John 3:16 elsewhere. Anyone who believed on his name could be saved. God went to Israel first who would then be water baptized to be cleansed to be priests in the millennial kingdom and bless and lead the Gentiles to the Lord

 

[Doug]

This which you said is "made up" from men of religion = "NOTE BELIEVE ON HIS NAME Jesus didnt come to save Gentiles, he came to Israel, to save them............."

But you ommited this verse to show who he came to..............[Mat 1:21 KJV] "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
And this one................[Jhn 1:11 KJV] "He came unto his own, and his own received him not."
And this one.............[Mat 15:24 KJV] "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Not sure what is so threating about this

 

[David in NJ]

I posted John 3:16 elsewhere. Anyone who believed on his name could be saved.

100% TRUTH = i AGREE

God went to Israel first to be priests in the millennial kingdom and bless and lead the Gentiles to the Lord

100% TRUTH = i AGREE

who would then be water baptized to be cleansed

Water CANNOT wash away SIN = 1 Peter 3:18-22

For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20who formerly were disobedient, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

to be priests in the millennial kingdom and bless and lead the Gentiles to the Lord

No where found in Scripture

God's kings and priests are BOTH Jew & Gentile in MESSIAH = only MESSIAH is the ISRAEL of GOD

 

[David in NJ]

But you ommited this verse to show who he came to..............[Mat 1:21 KJV] "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
And this one................[Jhn 1:11 KJV] "He came unto his own, and his own received him not."
And this one.............[Mat 15:24 KJV] "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Not sure what is so threating about this

It is NOT threatening at all i and LOVE every bit of it = 100% TRUTH

Manipulation of God's words by religion is the evil my brother Doug = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Believe every word Spoken by God and DO NOT rearrange, add to or deny God's words

SEE here - John 1:11

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God,
to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood/Jew, not of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man/religion,
but of God.

 

[Doug]

Water CANNOT wash away SIN = 1 Peter 3:18-22

[Act 22:16 KJV] "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
[Act 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Neither could the blood of animals but God accepted the faith that offered them

 

[Doug]

1 Peter 3:18-22

My post

1 PETER 3:18 BAPTISM SAVES​

 

[Doug]

No where found in Scripture

God's kings and priests are BOTH Jew & Gentile in MESSIAH = only MESSIAH is the ISRAEL of GOD

[Rev 20:6 KJV] "Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
[Exo 19:5 KJV] "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:"
[Exo 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.".......................believing Israel only is said to be priests

[Zec 8:23 KJV] "Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you."..............Believing Israel will lead the Gentiles to the Lord in the kingdom

 

[Doug]

It is NOT threatening at all i and LOVE every bit of it = 100% TRUTH

Manipulation of God's words by religion is the evil my brother Doug = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Believe every word Spoken by God and DO NOT rearrange, add to or deny God's words

SEE here - John 1:11

He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God,
to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood/Jew, not of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man/religion,
but of God.

Teaching what the Bible says is not manipulating scripture

 

[David in NJ]

[Act 22:16 KJV] "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
[Act 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Neither could the blood of animals but God accepted the faith that offered them

Water can NEVER remove our sins Doug

in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins

Acts 4:12
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. his is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved = LORD Jesus Christ

We are SAVE by His Blood = never by water

If water baptism could save us, JESUS would never of gone to the Cross

Since, therefore, we have now been justified by His Blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. - Romans 5:9

 

[Doug]

Water can NEVER remove our sins Doug

in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins

Acts 4:12
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. his is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved = LORD Jesus Christ

We are SAVE by His Blood = never by water

If water baptism could save us, JESUS would never of gone to the Cross

Since, therefore, we have now been justified by His Blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. - Romans 5:9

I guess I didnt make myself clear
God accepted water baptism to forgive Israel's sins but it was based on Christ's blood that would be shed
Cant deny that the verses I gave you dont say water baptism did remit their sins

 

[David in NJ]

My post

1 PETER 3:18 BAPTISM SAVES​

God's Post = "IT IS FINISHED"

 

[David in NJ]

I guess I didnt make myself clear
God accepted water baptism to forgive Israel's sins but it was based on Christ's blood that would be shed
Cant deny that the verses I gave you dont say water baptism did remit their sins

100% AGREE

i never reject water baptism as part of our faith in God

My sins were WASHED AWAY by the Blood of Christ about a year BEFORE i was water baptized.

 

[Doug]

100% AGREE

i never reject water baptism as part of our faith in God

My sins were WASHED AWAY by the Blood of Christ about a year BEFORE i was water baptized.

There is no commandment for us to be water baptized that is only for Israel It accomplishes nothing for us and to do so is religion/tradition

 

[David in NJ]

There is no commandment for us to be water baptized that is only for Israel It accomplishes nothing for us and to do so is religion/tradition

What is the Commandment by which we can have our sins washed away for us Today???

 

[Lizbeth]

[Jhn 1:11 KJV] "He came unto his own, and his own received him not."
[Jhn 1:12 KJV] "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:"..............NOTE BELIEVE ON HIS NAME Jesus didnt come to save Gentiles, he came to Israel, to save them.............[Mat 1:21 KJV] "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."...........NOTE SAVE HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL.........Gentiles were always saved (Jesus said whosoever will in John 3:16) but Israel was to be saved first and then be a blessing in the millennial kingdom

Haven't kept up with the whole conversation, but I'm sorry to say this is very confusing. All who believe are His people who He is saving, brother. Jew and Gentile alike. Too much splicing and dicing always ends up as hash....why, because of applying our own carnal minds to scripture instead of being at rest and allowing the Holy Spirit to enlighten us. And that is why there can be so many disparate interpretations, instead of being shown the same meaning by the same Holy Spirit.

And if I may mention we are in the reign of Christ now, as the Lord was gracious to enlighten and correct me on these things only a few years ago....He is ruling and reigning right now as King of kings and Lord of lords. This is not by sight, but by faith. Jesus said "If I by the finger of God cast out demons and heal the sick then the kingdom has come to you". His kingdom was nigh back then - not waiting until hundreds or thousands of years later. All power and authority in heaven and earth was given to Jesus way back then, as He testified....that means He has been ruling since then. And now is the lengthy time of longsuffering mentioned in 2 Peter 3 that we are to account as salvation....now is the time/space/opportunity given for people to repent and be saved. We are not looking for a time limited future earthly reign.....His kingdom cometh not with observation that we may say lo here it is or there (by sight) but is WITHIN/AMONG us as Jesus said, by faith and Spirit. At the return of Christ everything that is temporal will burn away....we are looking for a new/renewed (eternal) earth/heaven. There are so many scriptures that need to be looked at afresh with fresh eyes........the churches of our lifetime and earlier have been getting a lot of things wrong because of looking through the skewed lens of "dispensationalism".

 

[Doug]

What is the Commandment by which we can have our sins washed away for us Today???

[Rom 3:25 KJV] "Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"
[Rom 3:26 KJV] "To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."

 

[Doug]

Haven't kept up with the whole conversation, but I'm sorry to say this is very confusing. All who believe are His people who He is saving, brother. Jew and Gentile alike. Too much splicing and dicing always ends up as hash....why, because of applying our own carnal minds to scripture instead of being at rest and allowing the Holy Spirit to enlighten us. And that is why there can be so many disparate interpretations, instead of being shown the same meaning by the same Holy Spirit.

And if I may mention we are in the reign of Christ now, as the Lord was gracious to enlighten and correct me on these things only a few years ago....He is ruling and reigning right now as King of kings and Lord of lords. This is not by sight, but by faith. Jesus said "If I by the finger of God cast out demons and heal the sick then the kingdom has come to you". His kingdom was nigh back then - not waiting until hundreds or thousands of years later. All power and authority in heaven and earth was given to Jesus way back then, as He testified....that means He has been ruling since then. And now is the lengthy time of longsuffering mentioned in 2 Peter 3 that we are to account as salvation....now is the time/space/opportunity given for people to repent and be saved. We are not looking for a time limited future earthly reign.....His kingdom cometh not with observation that we may say lo here it is or there (by sight) but is WITHIN/AMONG us as Jesus said, by faith and Spirit. At the return of Christ everything that is temporal will burn away....we are looking for a new/renewed (eternal) earth/heaven. There are so many scriptures that need to be looked at afresh with fresh eyes........the churches of our lifetime and earlier have been getting a lot of things wrong because of looking through the skewed lens of "dispensationalism".

If Christ is reigning now I must have missed this...............
[Mat 24:29 KJV] "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
[Mat 24:30 KJV] "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

 

[Nancy]

100% AGREE

i never reject water baptism as part of our faith in God

My sins were WASHED AWAY by the Blood of Christ about a year BEFORE i was water baptized.

Not to mention, I kind of doubt the thief on the cross was baptized, and Jesus said He would be with Him in paradise.

@Doug
JTB had the baptism of repentance. Israel was given the gospel first through Christ. They rejected Him. He then went to the Gentiles (Nations) to prompt jealousy of them. Gentiles are grafted into the VERY same tree that the Jews are...only Jews are the original branches. Many Jews were saved but, the bulk of them still follow the OT laws thinking they can follow them (which they can't) and be saved by following the laws. Only Jesus is given as the means to The Father and salvation period. Keeping laws did not cut it with the Jews, how can we expect to follow them perfectly? If we follow the 1st two commandments, the rest of them (the 10) will follow naturally. It the law could be followed and we are saved by that, Jesus died for nothing. Hope this is making sense.

Peace brother!