How many former Catholics are here?

[MonoBiblical]

The fact that Jesus not only DIDN'T teach Sola Scriptura - He declared that the Church was our final earthly Authority (Matt.16:18-19, Matt. 18:15:18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
SS is a completely man-made doctrine - NOT a Biblical truth.

There's your proof . . .

And the Tenak or Hebrew Scriptures were the final authority, not Rome. Sola Ecclesia is what you want, and no such thing is taught in those verses.

But let us discuss Matthew 16:18-19.
16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς
And then to you I word how you are the rockbuilder [and] another a rock I homebuild of mine, an assembly, and the gates of the unseen shall not prevail against her (the assembly).

The assembly was defined by the rock who is Jesus, and yet you think Protestant religion is the gates of Hades. You are a disgrace to Christians, because you don't know enough to prove Protestants wrong even.

The other verses have nothing to do with Catholicism.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And the Tenak or Hebrew Scriptures were the final authority, not Rome. Sola Ecclesia is what you want, and no such thing is taught in those verses.

WRONG. That's not what I believe at ALL.
BOTH Scrpture and the Church are Authoritative.

In your ignorant, blind hatred of Christ's Church - you fail to understand that the Bible came out of the Church - and NOT the other way around . . .

But let us discuss Matthew 16:18-19.
16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς
And then to you I word how you are the rockbuilder how another a rock I build-home mine, an assembly, and the gates of the unseen shall not prevail against her (the assembly).

The assembly was defined by the rock who is Jesus, and yet you think Protestant religion is the gates of Hades. You are a disgrace to Christians, because you don't know enough to prove Protestants wrong even.

The other verses have nothing to do with Catholicism.

Tht's NOT what t says. "Rockbuilder", indeed . . .

Jesus and the A[pstles spoke Aramaic to one another - NOT Greek. The word in Aramaic is "Kepha", whch means "Rock" - not large rock or small rock. Just ROCK. This is why Paul reefers to Peter as "Cephas" in his letters and not "Peter:/

What Jesus said was, "You are Kepha and on this Kepha, I will build by ecclesia/church.

If you're going to be an anti-Catholic - at LEAST be one who does his homework . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

In your ignorant, blind hatred of Christ's Church - you fail to understand that the Bible came out of the Church - and NOT the other way around . . .

The Catholic Church is not Christ's assembly which he has already given a return visit. And Explain how the Church built the Hebrew scriptures. This, I have to see so as to laugh at.

Tht's NOT what t says. "Rockbuilder", indeed . . .

It is a masculine word; thus Rock-maker is a good choice. And since this is building material; it would make sense if it was pottery.

Jesus and the A[pstles spoke Aramaic to one another - NOT Greek.

BOTH! They did. And you don't know what Aramaic was and was supposed be. The Syrian Language was Greek at one time. The Hebrew language was "Aramaic" at one time. How do I know Aramaic was its original form of Hebrew. I know it by the syntax in the NT Hebrew quotes, and the Jews continue to use it to this very day. The Sanhedrin did [not] translate Hebrew to Aramaic or vice versa, but rather Greek.

If you're going to be a Catholic - at LEAST be one who does his homework . . .

 

[David in NJ]

The Catholic Church is not Christ's assembly which he has already given a return visit. And Explain how the Church built the Hebrew scriptures. This, I have to see so as to laugh at.


It is a masculine word; thus Rock-maker is a good choice. And since this is building material; it would make sense if it was pottery.

BOTH! They did. And you don't know what Aramaic was and was supposed be. The Syrian Language was Greek at one time. The Hebrew language was "Aramaic" at one time. How do I know Aramaic was its original form of Hebrew. I know it by the syntax in the NT Hebrew quotes, and the Jews continue to use it to this very day. The Sanhedrin did translate Hebrew to Aramaic or vice versa, but rather Greek.

And Explain how the Church built the Hebrew scriptures. This, I have to see so as to laugh at.

Ditto

 

[Debp]

Jesus left us with a Church to lead and instruct – NOT a Book.

Paul and others wrote the letters (books of the Bible) to instruct us. And the indwelling Holy Spirit helps us to understand.

And the Tenak or Hebrew Scriptures were the final authority, not Rome. Sola Ecclesia is what you want, and no such thing is taught in those verses.

But let us discuss Matthew 16:18-19.
16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς
And then to you I word how you are the rockbuilder [and] another a rock I homebuild of mine, an assembly, and the gates of the unseen shall not prevail against her (the assembly).

The assembly was defined by the rock who is Jesus, and yet you think Protestant religion is the gates of Hades. You are a disgrace to Christians, because you don't know enough to prove Protestants wrong even.

The other verses have nothing to do with Catholicism.

I agree with you. The word Jesus used about Himself meant rock...and the word Jesus used for Peter was "little stone."

Jesus was saying He would build His church upon Himself...the rock.

@Netchaplain

 

[Marvelloustime]

and now a word .
SEEING that no man can be justified by the law
AND THAT ONLY BY FAITH IN JESUS THE CHRIST can one be justified from all things
BY WHICH ONE cannot be justified by the law ,
WHY THE HECK ARE THE CHURCHES BUYING INTO THE LIE of ecumenical interfaith
WHICH says ALL religoins serve the same GOD differently .
And h ollers , HEY the muslims beleive in moses , they cliam abraham
the jews claim abraham and moses
YEAH , BUT I CAN PROVE TO US ALL they do NOT .
HOW SO .
because WHO do they look too for to be justified
AND IF THEY ACTUALLY HEARD MOSES , had they actually beleived the law
moses , abraham or the prophets
GUESS WHO THEY WOULD HAVE BELEIVED . DRUM ROLL on four , .........................threee ...................
two ................................................one ..................JESUS THE CHRIST . FOR THEY ALL POINTED TOO and spoke OF HIM .
BINGO . t otal proof they do not even hear the law , hear the prophets , or hear moses or abraham .
THEY HAVE NOT FAITH IN GOD , THEY BELIEV E NOT ON HE whom GOD DID SEND .
AND HOW can one EVER TRULY BELIEVE EVEN GOD , IF THEY DENY AND BELEIVE NOT HIS TESTIMONY OF THE SON .
IF THEY BLEIEVE NOT JESUS THE CHRIST .
And the answer is , THEY DO NOT . they beleive ONLY A LIE . and NO LIE IS OF GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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[amigo de christo]

The Catholic Church is not Christ's assembly which he has already given a return visit. And Explain how the Church built the Hebrew scriptures. This, I have to see so as to laugh at.


It is a masculine word; thus Rock-maker is a good choice. And since this is building material; it would make sense if it was pottery.

BOTH! They did. And you don't know what Aramaic was and was supposed be. The Syrian Language was Greek at one time. The Hebrew language was "Aramaic" at one time. How do I know Aramaic was its original form of Hebrew. I know it by the syntax in the NT Hebrew quotes, and the Jews continue to use it to this very day. The Sanhedrin did translate Hebrew to Aramaic or vice versa, but rather Greek.

He uses the same line they all do my friend and yet does not realize something .
Even the very scribes of JERUSALEM
could faithfully recopy the holy scripture of torah
BUT this does not mean that GOD was well pleased with THEM .
For though they could faithfully recopy t orah
THEY OFTEN did not heed the very words THEY could re copy .
SO too with the harlot .
How often do you see folks who lead this people
both in the RCC and the protestant realm
hold a bible up , even claiming the truth that is was insired by GOD
and yet Have long twisted those sayings .
One can almost see it now
as even JOEL osteen used to hold the bible up before ev ery meeting
and say THIS IS THE BIBLE , I can DO what it says and etc
KINDA ODD though HE never really taught the scrips
UNLESS it was to twist what li ttle scrips he did use TO GET VERY VERY WEALTHY
SO frankly we better all be on gaurd . Because many t here be
which do this .

 

[amigo de christo]

The Catholic Church is not Christ's assembly which he has already given a return visit. And Explain how the Church built the Hebrew scriptures. This, I have to see so as to laugh at.


It is a masculine word; thus Rock-maker is a good choice. And since this is building material; it would make sense if it was pottery.

BOTH! They did. And you don't know what Aramaic was and was supposed be. The Syrian Language was Greek at one time. The Hebrew language was "Aramaic" at one time. How do I know Aramaic was its original form of Hebrew. I know it by the syntax in the NT Hebrew quotes, and the Jews continue to use it to this very day. The Sanhedrin did translate Hebrew to Aramaic or vice versa, but rather Greek.

As usual he accuses us of hating Christs church .
But cannot see that it us those who warn the people not to sit under dangerous doctrines of men
Do not hate the church , for we do as we do for the GOOD of the people .
The Church of CHRIST sits UNDER CHRIST and thus would only adhere too and heed
men who teach IN AGREEMENT with HIS Words .
But as you can see many seem to love something else all together .
Twisted teachings of men who d esired the praise of men and to be called MOST HOLY FATHER
Most holy reverand . Titles that belong to GOD alone and NOT to man .
Call not man FATHER
f or ye are brethren and ye have ONE FATHER in heaven .
People love to sit under what so ever pleases their f lesh and is pleasing to man . .
Sheep will sit under only that which is pleasing TO GOD . Let us always remember that .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul and others wrote the letters (books of the Bible) to instruct us. And the indwelling Holy Spirit helps us to understand.



I agree with you. The word Jesus used about Himself meant rock...and the word Jesus used for Peter was "little stone."

Jesus was saying He would build His church upon Himself...the rock.

@Netchaplain

This man has come to bring this people to deception .
For he points to the RCC .
Making the claim that THE CHURCH IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY .
Kinda odd .
WHO DID JESUS say , and what DID JESUS say was the final authority .
MY WORDS SHALL BE YOUR JUDGE .
and dont ya find it kinda odd that THIS so called church
which cliams itself as the final authority
SURE seems to have omitted , twisted and removed Quite a bit OF HIS WORDS
in favor of a religion that serves not GOD but rather man . I mean WHO is it that gets called
MOST HOLY FATHER
and who is it that men BEND the knee too and they kiss the ring . ITS MAN .
Long robes , to be seen of men , to have the praise and wors hip of man . Just saying .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul and others wrote the letters (books of the Bible) to instruct us. And the indwelling Holy Spirit helps us to understand.



I agree with you. The word Jesus used about Himself meant rock...and the word Jesus used for Peter was "little stone."

Jesus was saying He would build His church upon Himself...the rock.

@Netchaplain

again they point to peter and yet WHAT example do their so called peters , aka popes
FOLLOW .
Was it the example of peter
WHO REJECTED the kneeling of cornelious and said GET UP i am but a man .
OR do they follow this peter , KNEEL before my throne and kiss my ring
and say MOST HOLY ........................
PETER would have rebuked this church big time and had pointed TO CHRIST , not to man .

 

[amigo de christo]

And the Tenak or Hebrew Scriptures were the final authority, not Rome. Sola Ecclesia is what you want, and no such thing is taught in those verses.

But let us discuss Matthew 16:18-19.
16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς
And then to you I word how you are the rockbuilder [and] another a rock I homebuild of mine, an assembly, and the gates of the unseen shall not prevail against her (the assembly).

The assembly was defined by the rock who is Jesus, and yet you think Protestant religion is the gates of Hades. You are a disgrace to Christians, because you don't know enough to prove Protestants wrong even.

The other verses have nothing to do with Catholicism.

Who
what .
DID JESUS say was the final authority .
MY WORDS shall be your judge on the last day .
Any man who continually taught and teaches contrary to such words
is a man the sheep will not sit under . Not him or his crooked system
whether it be a Watch tower or a pope and its vatican , or any place or any man that teaches
Contrary to Christ . Yep .
Sheep rejoice in the truth and not in lies of twisted doctrines .
For the LOVE OF GOD has been shed upon their hearts BY the HOLY GHOST
by which they were sealed AFTER beleiving upon Christ .
And guess what CHARITY does . IT REJOICES IN THE TRUTH , NOT IN IN QUITY.
PRAISE GOD , PRAISE the FATHER and THE SON ,
That HE HAS THE SHEEP and the sheep have overcome them for greater is HE that is in the sheep
than he that is in the world . Stay dug in the bible .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul and others wrote the letters (books of the Bible) to instruct us. And the indwelling Holy Spirit helps us to understand.



I agree with you. The word Jesus used about Himself meant rock...and the word Jesus used for Peter was "little stone."

Jesus was saying He would build His church upon Himself...the rock.

@Netchaplain

Who
what .
DID JESUS say was the final authority .
MY WORDS shall be your judge on the last day .
Any man who continually taught and teaches contrary to such words
is a man the sheep will not sit under . Not him or his crooked system
whether it be a Watch tower or a pope and its vatican , or any place or any man that teaches
Contrary to Christ . Yep .
Sheep rejoice in the truth and not in lies of twisted doctrines .
For the LOVE OF GOD has been shed upon their hearts BY the HOLY GHOST
by which they were sealed AFTER beleiving upon Christ .
And guess what CHARITY does . IT REJOICES IN THE TRUTH , NOT IN IN QUITY.
PRAISE GOD , PRAISE the FATHER and THE SON ,
That HE HAS THE SHEEP and the sheep have overcome them for greater is HE that is in the sheep
than he that is in the world . Stay dug in the bible .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic Church is not Christ's assembly which he has already given a return visit.

Yes, you keep saying that but haven’t provided a single SHRED of evidence.

And Explain how the Church built the Hebrew scriptures. This, I have to see so as to laugh at.

HUH?? What are you talking about? Nobody “built” the Scriptures. God id the author and inspired men to write it down.

The Catholic Church declared the Canon of Scripture. The Church compiled and decided which Books belong in the NT Canon under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. In other words – GOD decided the Canon and revealed it through His Church.

As for the OT – it already existed. However, 7 Books were removed in the 2nd century – AFTER Christ and AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. A non-authoritative rabbinical school at Jabneh led by a man named Rabbi Akiva. The two main points discussed at this rabbinical gathering were:

a. A man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the "real" messiah. He turned out to be a false messiah and Akiva was a false prophet.

b. The 7 Deuterocanonical Books needed to be removed from the OPEN Canon of the time - and the canon closed.

The Church preserved the 7 Books in the Canon that were previously removed in the 2nd century by the non-authoritative rabbinical gathering.

It is a masculine word; thus Rock-maker is a good choice. And since this is building material; it would make sense if it was pottery.

Sorry, pal – but the weight of Greek scholarship is against you. In fact the evidence is so overwhelming that I can’t post it all because of space constraints.

Here is a partial list of scholars and sources who disagree with you . . .
- Craig S. Keener,The IVP Bible Background Commentary New Testament, (Downer's Grove, IL: Intervarsity Press, 1993), 90.

- Frank E. Gaebelein, ed., The Expositor's Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, Luke), (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), 368.
Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew, (Valley Forge, PA: Judson Press, 1886), 355.

John Calvin, Calvin's New Testament Commentaries: The Harmony of the Gospels Matthew, Mark, and Luke, vol. 2, trans. T. H. L. Parker, ed. David W. Torrance and Thomas F. Torrance, (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1972), 188.

- Gerhard Friedrich, ed., and Geoffrey W. Bromley, trans. and ed., Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, vol. VI, (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1968), 98-99.

Frank E. Gaebelein, ed., The Expositor's Bible Commentary: Volume 8 (Matthew, Mark, and Luke), (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1984), 368.

- James B. Shelton, letter to the authors, 21 October 1994, 1, in Scott Butler, Norman Dehlgren, and Rev. Mr. David Hess, Jesus Peter and the Keys: A Scriptural Handbook on the Papacy, (Goleta, CA: Queenship, 1996), 23.

BOTH! They did. And you don't know what Aramaic was and was supposed be. The Syrian Language was Greek at one time. The Hebrew language was "Aramaic" at one time. How do I know Aramaic was its original form of Hebrew. I know it by the syntax in the NT Hebrew quotes, and the Jews continue to use it to this very day. The Sanhedrin did [not] translate Hebrew to Aramaic or vice versa, but rather Greek.

And this has NOTHING to do with the point I was making – that the word Jesus used for “Rock “in Matt. 16:16 was “kapha”. Kepha can ONLY be translated as “Rock”. And of course it is being used metaphorically here.
Jesus wasn't saying the Pater was an actual rock . . .

As I educated you in my last post – this is why Paul refers to Peters as “Cephas” in his letters, which is a Greek transliteration of the Aramaic, Kepha . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

@amigo de christo
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Matt. 7:21
“NOT everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who DOES THE WILL of my Father who is in heaven.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Yes, you keep saying that but haven’t provided a single SHRED of evidence.

I gave you 4 verses in Revelation and it is discussed by all NT authors as eminent.
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Rev 3:11
“Behold,[fn] I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
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Rev 22:7
“Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”
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Rev 22:12
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
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Rev 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Just remember that he is coming slowly like a turtle.

HUH?? What are you talking about? Nobody “built” the Scriptures. God id the author and inspired men to write it down.

You said, 'gave

you fail to understand that the Bible came out of the Church

But this is not true. It was with many splinters of "orthodoxy" including Nestorian. The Hebrew Scriptures were also ignored by the RCC and Eastern Orthodox for a long time. And God is not the author but is the inspiration.

The Catholic Church declared the Canon of Scripture. The Church compiled and decided which Books belong in the NT Canon under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. In other words – GOD decided the Canon and revealed it through His Church.

They failed to do it in the 1st century. I wonder why.

As for the OT – it already existed. However, 7 Books were removed in the 2nd century – AFTER Christ and AFTER the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. A non-authoritative rabbinical school at Jabneh led by a man named Rabbi Akiva. The two main points discussed at this rabbinical gathering were:

a. A man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the "real" messiah. He turned out to be a false messiah and Akiva was a false prophet.

b. The 7 Deuterocanonical Books needed to be removed from the OPEN Canon of the time - and the canon closed.

The Church preserved the 7 Books in the Canon that were previously removed in the 2nd century by the non-authoritative rabbinical gathering.

Interesting, but irrelevant to the Christian faith mostly. The 7 books are crackpot stories and wisdom.

Sorry, pal – but the weight of Greek scholarship is against you. In fact the evidence is so overwhelming that I can’t post it all because of space constraints.

It is neither for nor against. Another of your blunders. HOW unEXPECTED!

And this has NOTHING to do with the point I was making – that the word Jesus used for “Rock “in Matt. 16:16 was “kapha”. Kepha can ONLY be translated as “Rock”. And of course it is being used metaphorically here.
Jesus wasn't saying the Pater was an actual rock . . .

It has everything to do with it. The Eastern Catholics don't agree with the Latiners' interpretations, or what they see in their eyes as heresy. Jesus was the other rock, and cornerstone, but what is the cornerstone of Rome. Peter? Mary?

As I educated you in my last post – this is why Paul refers to Peters as “Cephas” in his letters, which is a Greek transliteration of the Aramaic, Kepha . . .

Yes, but Latin and Aramaic/hebrew are rarely used in the New Testament. The genders also make a big difference. If it is only about size, then it is still different kinds of rock.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Matt. 7:21
“NOT everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who DOES THE WILL of my Father who is in heaven.

So, you better do it.

 

[Debp]

This man has come to bring this people to deception .
For he points to the RCC .
Making the claim that THE CHURCH IS THE FINAL AUTHORITY .
Kinda odd .
WHO DID JESUS say , and what DID JESUS say was the final authority .
MY WORDS SHALL BE YOUR JUDGE .
and dont ya find it kinda odd that THIS so called church
which cliams itself as the final authority
SURE seems to have omitted , twisted and removed Quite a bit OF HIS WORDS
in favor of a religion that serves not GOD but rather man . I mean WHO is it that gets called
MOST HOLY FATHER
and who is it that men BEND the knee too and they kiss the ring . ITS MAN .
Long robes , to be seen of men , to have the praise and wors hip of man . Just saying .

Yes, he is a Catholic apologist....why else would he come to a Christian forum? No reason but to debate Christians. Christians who are trusting in the Lord Jesus for our salvation as Jesus taught us.

 

[David in NJ]

Matt. 7:21
“NOT everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who DOES THE WILL of my Father who is in heaven.

Praying to statues is willful SIN and rebellion against the Will of God in Heaven.

The Vatican is satanism disguised as 'christianity' = 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

 

[amigo de christo]

Praying to statues is willful SIN and rebellion against the Will of God in Heaven.

The Vatican is satanism disguised as 'christianity' = 2 Corinthians 11:13-15

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

The sheep will not bend the knee to the Harlot .
We must do all we can to pull any far away from her .
Pointing to CHRIST JESUS and all lovely biblical doctrine my friend . The hour is late .