A Little Season

[TribulationSigns]

God's Word never contradicts itself.

True, and it is YOU who contradicts yourself.

Whenever a doctrine contradicts Scripture it is an immediate Red Flag/Alert to us to go back and check, read, pray, listen.
All followers of Christ must adhere to what God has Said on these subjects.
If we deviate even slightly it can and will take us off-course from the Truth.

We shall see...

Just one little Scripture of Truth will shine LIGHT and expose a falsehood such 1 Peter 5:8

Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

1 Peter 5:8 is spoken to the Elect in Christ only as is Matthew ch24

Matthew 24
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

In, Matthew 24:3-35, Christ was prophesied about the New Testament congregation during the little season prior to the Second Coming. It will be a time when Satan is loosened from bottomless pit prowls around like a roaring lion to seek someone to devour through the false prophets and christs! They are the ones who rise and causes the iniquity to abounds. He will not deceive the Elect, only those people of the congregation who have not yet sealed by God, go read Revelation 9 carefully on whom God only allow the armies of Satan to attack! And also please check with the context:

Matthew 24:4-5

• "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
• For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

With many false prophets and christs rising up in congregations all over the world, they deceive both themselves, and many others. Unfortunately, many get this idea from their teachers, ministers and leaders. The greater blame lies in the ministers allowing this deceiving in good standing with the Church. The flock hangs on their every word, and their words are rancid. Which is why Christ warns the Church to not be deceived by Charlatans.

Numbers 15:39

• "And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:"

Yes, the Lord knows our heart, and our forgetfulness, and our penchant to go a whoring after other gods. Nothing new there in God's congregation. The fact is, most false teachers preaching a feelings, prosperity or emotional gospel "believe" they are correct. But belief in itself doesn't prove anything. having faith doesn't prove anything. It is only "Saving faith or Saving belief" that matters. And that is the faith of Christ unto belief. For even the lunatics who are blowing themselves up crying to their god have a strong "belief," but what good is that belief if it is not borne of the Spirit of God? It is a dead faith without the work of Christ (faith without works is dead). His Spirit of life most certainly does not teach emotionalism, hysterical babbling tongues, pseudo healing or communion by "feelings." Sure, there have always been enchanters (Exodus 7:20-23) and egotists that mimic the true miracles of God. True miracles that were supernatural phenomenon, God's figures representing the many aspects of salvation, which these Charlatans today are generally not even aware of. Their whole reasoning for miracles is twisted. But it suits their god and their gospel perfectly. For a pseudo religion needs a pseudo Christ to serve.

Mark 13:22-24

• "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
• But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
• But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,"

The question is, "What signs and wonders" would they come with, and the answer is, you're seeing them grow exponentially in the Church. And they are deceiving the Church at an alarming rate, so much so that even the Reformed Church has succumb to the wiles of her seduction.

So much for red flags eh?

 

[Davy]

Below is the best explanation I have found thus far of what it is that my several years of deeper study have led me to conclude about the time in which we now live. And yet, I must admit, it is by no means a comprehensive treatment of the subject matter, nor could it ever be, since if it is in fact the correct view, the level of deception in which we now find ourselves makes absolute certainty an utter impossibility.
Nevertheless, it is the best explanation in regards to the available evidence, and the one that places the clearly spoken words of scripture in the clearest possible light. If one can permit themselves to view the words of Christ and His Apostles honestly, absent the filter of various preloaded belief systems, the truth should present itself with crystal clarity. I know that's a big IF, but its worth a try.

The first video makes the scriptural case for Little Season Eschatology. The second presents a well researched timeline in support of the conclusions made in video one.

If this thread gains any traction at all, it is sure to be a contentious conversation. My sincere hope and prayer is that we can treat one another with the love and respect that should be the norm for all who name the name of Christ.

Enough said. I leave this here for your prayerful consideration.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS:

The claims even within the above post, and especially in the 1st video at the start, gives enough evidence that this POST is nothing but MEN'S DOCTRINES.


First error at the start of the 1st video:
The narrator of the 1st video begins with the concept of the “middle season”, and says we are now living in the period after the short period of reign after the millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

Uh… NO, we are not living in a time AFTER Jesus’ short millennial (1,000 years) reign. His millennial reign PER BIBLE SCRIPTURE doesn’t even begin until His future 2nd coming (per Revelation and the OT prophets).


But boy... ain't the original poster a real SMOOTH... talker? Even their idea of using the word 'season' they have used to create a false DOCTRINE OF MEN with!

 

[rvmb]

True, and it is YOU who contradicts yourself.


We shall see...


In, Matthew 24:3-35, Christ was prophesied about the New Testament congregation during the little season prior to the Second Coming. It will be a time when Satan is loosened from bottomless pit prowls around like a roaring lion to seek someone to devour through the false prophets and christs! They are the ones who rise and causes the iniquity to abounds. He will not deceive the Elect, only those people of the congregation who have not yet sealed by God, go read Revelation 9 carefully on whom God only allow the armies of Satan to attack! And also please check with the context:

Matthew 24:4-5

• "And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
• For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."

With many false prophets and christs rising up in congregations all over the world, they deceive both themselves, and many others. Unfortunately, many get this idea from their teachers, ministers and leaders. The greater blame lies in the ministers allowing this deceiving in good standing with the Church. The flock hangs on their every word, and their words are rancid. Which is why Christ warns the Church to not be deceived by Charlatans.

Numbers 15:39

• "And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:"

Yes, the Lord knows our heart, and our forgetfulness, and our penchant to go a whoring after other gods. Nothing new there in God's congregation. The fact is, most false teachers preaching a feelings, prosperity or emotional gospel "believe" they are correct. But belief in itself doesn't prove anything. having faith doesn't prove anything. It is only "Saving faith or Saving belief" that matters. And that is the faith of Christ unto belief. For even the lunatics who are blowing themselves up crying to their god have a strong "belief," but what good is that belief if it is not borne of the Spirit of God? It is a dead faith without the work of Christ (faith without works is dead). His Spirit of life most certainly does not teach emotionalism, hysterical babbling tongues, pseudo healing or communion by "feelings." Sure, there have always been enchanters (Exodus 7:20-23) and egotists that mimic the true miracles of God. True miracles that were supernatural phenomenon, God's figures representing the many aspects of salvation, which these Charlatans today are generally not even aware of. Their whole reasoning for miracles is twisted. But it suits their god and their gospel perfectly. For a pseudo religion needs a pseudo Christ to serve.

Mark 13:22-24

• "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
• But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
• But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,"

The question is, "What signs and wonders" would they come with, and the answer is, you're seeing them grow exponentially in the Church. And they are deceiving the Church at an alarming rate, so much so that even the Reformed Church has succumb to the wiles of her seduction.

So much for red flags eh?

Poor David NJ, his credibility keeps self-destructing

BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS:

The claims even within the above post, and especially in the 1st video at the start, gives enough evidence that this POST is nothing but MEN'S DOCTRINES.


First error at the start of the 1st video:
The narrator of the 1st video begins with the concept of the “middle season”, and says we are now living in the period after the short period of reign after the millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

Uh… NO, we are not living in a time AFTER Jesus’ short millennial (1,000 years) reign. His millennial reign PER BIBLE SCRIPTURE doesn’t even begin until His future 2nd coming (per Revelation and the OT prophets).


But boy... ain't the original poster a real SMOOTH... talker? Even their idea of using the word 'season' they have used to create a false DOCTRINE OF MEN with!

""Uh… NO, we are not living in a time AFTER Jesus’ short millennial (1,000 years) reign. His millennial reign PER BIBLE SCRIPTURE doesn’t even begin until His future 2nd coming (per Revelation and the OT prophets)."""
Thank you :)

 

[David in NJ]

True, and it is YOU who contradicts yourself.

i read your post but you did not provide any evidence of such as you claim

Could you post one scripture that disputes

Poor David NJ, his credibility keeps self-destructing

""Uh… NO, we are not living in a time AFTER Jesus’ short millennial (1,000 years) reign. His millennial reign PER BIBLE SCRIPTURE doesn’t even begin until His future 2nd coming (per Revelation and the OT prophets)."""
Thank you :)

You just confused me with someone else, so you just lost credibility.
If one is to BELIEVE every word of God then it is CLEAR as DAY the 2nd Coming of Christ has not yet Come.

Now, in order to get back your credibility -turn away from false accusations.

 

[David in NJ]

You quote one thing and I answer, and then you move the goal posts and pretend you meant something else. Don't mess me about, or I am done with you! I do not like being deceived.

You have zero answers or rebuttals, so you resort to deception and infantile behavior.

#1 - false accusation = as usual when i asked "who is they and you JUMPED to the WRONG location of your own post.

#2 - You love your own deception in Amil false doctrine = on your head!!!

#3 - You are unable to rebut the Holy Scriptures in Posts 128 & 130 and reply with ad hominen

 

[David in NJ]

One repeating mistake that people make = rejecting CHRIST Commandment in Matthew 4:4

 

[rwb]

He is not creating anything new David. He's simply reading statements that were clearly made by Christ and His Apostles and choosing to believe them, rather than spiritualizing them or twisting them to fit into some preloaded theological framework.

That's not really true Archie! If it were then why argue the return of Christ was exactly as Christ said it would be, then spiritualize His coming to make it fit 70 AD? That's one of the problems with Preteritism! When some things written cannot be explicitly proven the Preterit argues it still came to pass in 70 AD but His coming was not physical as it is written it shall be, but spiritual.

 

[WPM]

#1 - false accusation = as usual when i asked "who is they and you JUMPED to the WRONG location of your own post.

#2 - You love your own deception in Amil false doctrine = on your head!!!

#3 - You are unable to rebut the Holy Scriptures in Posts 128 & 130 and reply with ad hominen

There you go: this is where Premils go when they cannot answer simple questions or rebut biblical arguments. This does nothing to advance Premil.

No wonder many are abandoning it.

 

[WPM]

Uh… NO, we are not living in a time AFTER Jesus’ short millennial (1,000 years) reign. His millennial reign PER BIBLE SCRIPTURE doesn’t even begin until His future 2nd coming (per Revelation and the OT prophets).

More noise but zero substance.

 

[WPM]

#1 - false accusation = as usual when i asked "who is they and you JUMPED to the WRONG location of your own post.

#2 - You love your own deception in Amil false doctrine = on your head!!!

#3 - You are unable to rebut the Holy Scriptures in Posts 128 & 130 and reply with ad hominen

1. Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
2. Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
3. Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
4. Do you believe Satan literally has 7 heads and 7 necks?
5. Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
6. Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
7. Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
8. Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
9. Can a prisoner in a prison have great wrath while in chains?
10. Does imprisonment mean immobility?
11. Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
12. Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
13. Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
14. Can a prisoner deceive others in prison?
15. Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
16. When the Bible talk about the wicked being bound in chains do you believe these are literal physical chains?
17. When the Bible talk about the wicked being imprisoned do you believe they are all in literal physical brick prisons?

 

[David in NJ]

There you go: this is where Premils go when they cannot answer simple questions or rebut biblical arguments. This does nothing to advance Premil.

No wonder many are abandoning it.

Whenever a man/woman seeks to know God's POV of Truth, they must follow the Way our LORD laid out for us.

The many Revelations of the New Covenant in CHRIST are only revealed to us by the Holy Spirit of Truth.

The HOLY SPIRIT desires and requires for us to empty ourselves of all doctrines that disagree with His Words of Life

Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 37And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 39And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

The more we abandon our beliefs the MORE the Holy Spirit will give us understanding in the Holy Scriptures.

Tear off the labels and lay them down at JESUS Feet = just as i and others have done for FREEDOM of doctrines of men.

Be Blessed Today in His Word submitting to the Holy Spirit with prayer for all the saints.

SHALOM

 

[WPM]

Whenever a man/woman seeks to know God's POV of Truth, they must follow the Way our LORD laid out for us.

The many Revelations of the New Covenant in CHRIST are only revealed to us by the Holy Spirit of Truth.

The HOLY SPIRIT desires and requires for us to empty ourselves of all doctrines that disagree with His Words of Life

Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 37And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 39And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

The more we abandon our beliefs the MORE the Holy Spirit will give us understanding in the Holy Scriptures.

Tear off the labels and lay them down at JESUS Feet = just as i and others have done for FREEDOM of doctrines of men.

Be Blessed Today in His Word submitting to the Holy Spirit with prayer for all the saints.

SHALOM

Apply what you are saying here and we can move forward.

Stop running from the counter-arguments.

 

[WPM]

Whenever a man/woman seeks to know God's POV of Truth, they must follow the Way our LORD laid out for us.

The many Revelations of the New Covenant in CHRIST are only revealed to us by the Holy Spirit of Truth.

The HOLY SPIRIT desires and requires for us to empty ourselves of all doctrines that disagree with His Words of Life

Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 37And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 39And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”

The more we abandon our beliefs the MORE the Holy Spirit will give us understanding in the Holy Scriptures.

Tear off the labels and lay them down at JESUS Feet = just as i and others have done for FREEDOM of doctrines of men.

Be Blessed Today in His Word submitting to the Holy Spirit with prayer for all the saints.

SHALOM

Start with yourself. When are going to abandon Premil that you cannot corroborate?

 

[TribulationSigns]

i read your post but you did not provide any evidence of such as you claim

Could you post one scripture that disputes

You must be reading with your eyes closed—or maybe you just enjoy rejecting anything that doesn’t fit your flawed doctrine. Go ahead, try reading it again… slowly this time. Otherwise, I’m done wasting breath and will gladly move on knowing that you’re not getting any closer to the truth.

 

[David in NJ]

You must be reading with your eyes closed—or maybe you just enjoy rejecting anything that doesn’t fit your flawed doctrine. Go ahead, try reading it again… slowly this time. Otherwise, I’m done wasting breath and will gladly move on knowing that you’re not getting any closer to the truth.

Brother Trib-University

I always read scripture with my eyes closed to "respect of persons" but WIDE OPEN to my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ

Assist me by examining the scriptures i posted and just pick one that you believe contradicts what i posted.

After you pick the one, give a simple elaboration in a few sentences.

Thank You

 

[WPM]

Brother Trib-University

I always read scripture with my eyes closed to "respect of persons" but WIDE OPEN to my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ

Assist me by examining the scriptures i posted and just pick one that you believe contradicts what i posted.

After you pick the one, give a simple elaboration in a few sentences.

Thank You

I addressed one and you ducked around it.

 

[David in NJ]

I addressed one and you ducked around it.

After my post to you this morning i left for work and just now returned home.

Please grant me that scripture again = thank you

 

[WPM]

After my post to you this morning i left for work and just now returned home.

Please grant me that scripture again = thank you

As you engage online with Premils, you start to notice that 1 Peter 5:8 seems to be many of their most popular quoted Scripture in the Bible outside of Revelation 20. Let us read it: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.” Premils stop here. They go no further. The reason is: they are determined to elevate the power of Satan and degrade the power of Christ and His Church during this current new covenant age. They (notably) never quote the very next verse. 1 Peter 5:9 affirms, “whom resist stedfast in the faith.”

The true Church of Jesus Christ is a resistance movement. While Satan resists us, the Bible says we have power to resist him, and subjugate his purposes against us. We resist the lawlessness and evil encroachments of the devil around us. That is because since the binding of Satan, Christ has given us power over him. He is a defeated foe!

In fact, James 4:7 tells us what happens when you do resist, “Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.”

This is incredible! You resist, he must flee. When the devil plants a temptation, a doubt or a fear, you simply have to resist it, whereupon Satan must get his boots on and run. This word “flee” in the original means to escape, flee away or vanish. Now think about it. When you resist, he must disappear. The conflict today for the Church is not an earthly battle to possess an earthly territory but a spiritual battle to possess spiritual territory.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Brother Trib-University

I always read scripture with my eyes closed to "respect of persons" but WIDE OPEN to my LORD and Savior Jesus Christ

LOL, always? So your eyes are closed to the truthful testimony God already gave through His own brethren… but wide open hoping the Lord will hand you an answer that better fits your doctrine. Yeah, that explains a lot.

Assist me by examining the scriptures i posted and just pick one that you believe contradicts what i posted.

After you pick the one, give a simple elaboration in a few sentences.

Read slowly.... here. And "think." If you do not agree to the timing of Matthew 24, nothing will help you on roaring lion anyway.

 

[David in NJ]

LOL, always? So your eyes are closed to the truthful testimony God already gave through His own brethren… but wide open hoping the Lord will hand you an answer that better fits your doctrine. Yeah, that explains a lot.



Read slowly.... here. And "think." If you do not agree to the timing of Matthew 24, nothing will help you on roaring lion anyway.

Oh I AGREE with the Timing of Matthew chapter 24

Simple as A,B,C

A - And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

B - So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),

C - Immediately AFTER the Tribulation of those days..............I Come to gather MY Elect"