Predestination and Freedom Under God

[One 2 question]

By staying in His Word and obeying Him is 'how' we know Him by The Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit creates in the believer that relationship with Jesus.

I realize that it's a common sermon to preach ideas like 'do you know Jesus?,' which most often are ideas about as vague as man's philosophy. Jesus told those Jews who believed on Him that if they continued in His Word, then they are His disciples indeed, and they would know the Truth, and the Truth would set them free (John 8:30-32).

John 8:30-32
30 As He spake these words, many believed on Him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him, "If ye continue in My word, then are ye My disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
KJV

So there again, Christ's true disciples are to be very careful about men that like to create religious sounding traditions of their own by the abuse of Bible Scripture. Want to know Jesus and have relationship with Him? Simple, stay in His Word, for how can one 'know' Jesus without listening to and heeding His Words and following His commandments?

Yes, I agree that as we abide in Jesus and His words abide in us, we find we have been bearing fruit of His Spirit.

These words of Jesus found in the bibles are able to set us free from the bondage of the sinful nature within and the pattern of this corrupt world we are subjected to.

I guess like many followers of Jesus I find His words beyond the pages of the bible and are delivered by His Spirit into our spirit directly. Jesus Christ's words written down and His words given directly are from the same Person aren't they? So I don't know why there is ongoing opposition, rejection, push back, hostility towards those who receive His truth whichever way He decides to give it.

 

[One 2 question]

Want to know Jesus and have relationship with Him?

I already have a relationship with Jesus and I'm getting to know Him more and more every day.

But the most comforting truth is that He has established a relationship with me and He knows me. So I don't fear being rejected by Him. I was chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.

We communicate Spirit to spirit. He speaks I listen. I speak He listens. It's a wonderful relationship.

 

[Davy]

I guess like many followers of Jesus I find His words beyond the pages of the bible and are delivered by His Spirit into our spirit directly. Jesus Christ's words written down and His words given directly are from the same Person aren't they? So I don't know why there is ongoing opposition, rejection, push back, hostility towards those who receive His truth whichever way He decides to give it.

I don't want to mislead anyone, but I'm not sure I agree with that last statement, particularly that phrase, "... whichever way He decides to give it." I assume you are pointing to 'other' ways to receive His Truth without consulting His written Word. That I do not believe. If we are not studying His Word directly, then we may receive His Truth from His sent ones who preach. But other than that, the only other sure way is by study in His Word with the help of The Holy Spirit. Recall Apollos in Acts 18.

 

[Davy]

I already have a relationship with Jesus and I'm getting to know Him more and more every day.

But the most comforting truth is that He has established a relationship with me and He knows me. So I don't fear being rejected by Him. I was chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.

We communicate Spirit to spirit. He speaks I listen. I speak He listens. It's a wonderful relationship.

Well, my full quote that I said was...

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"So there again, Christ's true disciples are to be very careful about men that like to create religious sounding traditions of their own by the abuse of Bible Scripture. Want to know Jesus and have relationship with Him? Simple, stay in His Word, for how can one 'know' Jesus without listening to and heeding His Words and following His commandments?"​

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[One 2 question]

I don't want to mislead anyone, but I'm not sure I agree with that last statement, particularly that phrase, "... whichever way He decides to give it." I assume you are pointing to 'other' ways to receive His Truth without consulting His written Word. That I do not believe. If we are not studying His Word directly, then we may receive His Truth from His sent ones who preach. But other than that, the only other sure way is by study in His Word with the help of The Holy Spirit. Recall Apollos in Acts 18.

Through peoples prophecies. Peoples dreams. Tongues spoken by members of the church with interpretation. Through words of knowledge, visions, nature to name a few ways the Holy Spirit communicates every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. New direct truths from God to His people are being revealed to us by His Spirit within us.

As Peter explained...this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Act 2:17&18 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

And Paul....
1Co 12:7-10 The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues.

 

[Davy]

Through peoples prophecies. Peoples dreams. Tongues spoken by members of the church with interpretation. Through words of knowledge, visions, nature to name a few ways the Holy Spirit communicates every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. New direct truths from God to His people are being revealed to us by His Spirit within us.

As Peter explained...this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Act 2:17&18 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

And Paul....
1Co 12:7-10 The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues.

I believe the 'cloven tongue' is real, and is from God.

But I do not... believe the gibberish speech some claim is the cloven tongue.

Acts 2 indeed is our 'ensample', and a quick read there reveals that everyone present heard in the very dialect of the language of their birth. That idea is made specific in the Greek of that Acts 2 Chapter. There was NO gibberish speech.

What Apostle Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians about prophesying in Church and then one given to interpret is about someone who speaks a language of the world other than what those present understand.

The Joel 2 prophecy Peter quoted is about the days just prior to the "day of the Lord". Lord Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", which is the LAST DAY of this present world. During the coming tribulation, some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus, and He told us to not think what we will say in that hour, but to speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to say. That... is when that Joel 2 event of the cloven tongue is going to manifest again like it did on Pentecost. God is going to speak to the whole world through His delivered up servants at the end (see Mark 13).

 

[One 2 question]

I believe the 'cloven tongue' is real, and is from God.

Great

But I do not... believe the gibberish speech some claim is the cloven tongue.

You may very well be right. But I was refering to the genuine gifts that have been given by the Spirit to the church. And speaking in tongues with interpretation is definitely being exercised by the Spirit through members of the true church. God continues to speak to His people.

Acts 2 indeed is our 'ensample', and a quick read there reveals that everyone present heard in the very dialect of the language of their birth. That idea is made specific in the Greek of that Acts 2 Chapter. There was NO gibberish speech.

Genuine believers, 120 of them received the Spirit Jesus promised them and they spoke in genuine tongues. Ok, they probably didn't need interpreters that day.

What Apostle Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians about prophesying in Church and then one given to interpret is about someone who speaks a language of the world other than what those present understand.

Absolutely. Paul said up to 3 speak in tongues and 3 interpret at any given time. Same with prophesying. So by His Spirit God spoke directly to the church and hasn't stopped hey. This is awesome. The mind of God expressed directly to His people.

The Joel 2 prophecy Peter quoted is about the days just prior to the "day of the Lord". Lord Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", which is the LAST DAY of this present world. During the coming tribulation, some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus, and He told us to not think what we will say in that hour, but to speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to say. That... is when that Joel 2 event of the cloven tongue is going to manifest again like it did on Pentecost. God is going to speak to the whole world through His delivered up servants at the end (see Mark 13).

Can you clarify how you came to this conclusion....The Joel 2 prophecy Peter quoted is about the days just prior to the "day of the Lord".

All these manifestations of the Holy Spirits work in the church have already been carried out, experienced, observed since that day of Pentecost.

The only way to eliminate the work of the Spirit would be to rewrite history. There are so many testimonies that have been recorded and shared verbally. Christian bookshops are full of them. One can access these amazing testimonies on the internet.

And Jesus said.....these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

His followers will speak with new tongues by the same Spirit Who casts out devils and heal the sick.

Awesome. I love these signs and especially the One Who enables us to perform them.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

I believe God knows everything, but we can make changes to His plans. Obviously He knows the changes we cause Him to make.

 

[One 2 question]

I believe God knows everything, but we can make changes to His plans. Obviously He knows the changes we cause Him to make.

You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”

Great question

But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God?

Very good relative question

Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”

Yet another simple but profound question

Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

Maybe the best question of the lot.

We are mere objects at our Creators disposal. Why do we thing we are anything more than that? Who ever thought we could resist Him and His script, plan, will for His creations? How arrogant of us to think otherwise. He who created us is sovereign.

 

[Davy]

Great

You may very well be right. But I was refering to the genuine gifts that have been given by the Spirit to the church. And speaking in tongues with interpretation is definitely being exercised by the Spirit through members of the true church. God continues to speak to His people.

That was one of the specific issues I was addressing in my post, i.e., your belief that the true cloven tongue manifests as 'gibberish' that requires... an interpreter. Thing is, Apostle Paul was not talking about any such idea of one in the Church speaking 'gibberish' and needing someone by The Spirit to interpret. Paul was pointing to 'known' LANGUAGES of the world that someone come into the Church spoke with, and that is the reason for that idea of an interpreter. This... is what Paul was speaking about in the 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter.

I will do a coverage of that 1 Cor.14 Chapter to show this, for those interested.

At the same time, what I am saying does NOT mean there is no such thing as the 'cloven tongue' spoken on Pentecost.

The important MEASURE is still GOD's WORD, not man's word. And per ACTS 2, everyone... present heard the Apostles speak in their 'own' dialects of languages of birth. There was NO 'gibberish' speech at all on Pentecost. Even in the Greek of that Acts 2 Chapter, the flow showing just how... the cloven tongue manifested has a perfect alternation like the following"

Greek glossa = (known languages)
glossa

dialektos = (a dialect of a known language)​

dialektos​

glossa
glossa

What the true 'cloven tongue' is, is about the one language which all peoples and nations once spoke before the tower of Babel event of Genesis 11. When it is spoken, the speaker is speaking in KNOWN languages of today's world so that everyone present hears in their OWN language of birth, and not just their own language, but the very dialect of that language of where they were born. And that is how it manifested per Acts 2.

But some... Churches instead try to turn gibberish into being that Acts 2 cloven tongue when if it manifests as gibberish, it does NOT align with that Acts 2 Scripture. And that work it into an emotional frenzy thinking that gibberish is a miracle, and can only come from God. Well I got news for brethren that try to use their emotions to understand God's miracles like the true cloven tongue.

Lord Jesus told us especially for the end times, to not allow any man to deceive us. And one of the major events for the end of this world is the coming of a 'supernatural' false-Messiah that will work great signs, wonders, and miracles that will deceive the whole world, except Christ's elect. So all the speaking in gibberish claiming it is the cloven tongue of Pentecost when it is not, falling in the floor backwards and claiming that of The Spirit, running up and down the isles out of control, barking like dogs and imitating animals, shaking the head uncontrollably, etc., are all manifestations that are NOT written in God's Word that happened to God's servants. As a matter of fact, the only ones I can find that fell backwards because of The Spirit were the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus when asking Him where Jesus was, and Jesus said, "I am He," and then they fell backwards...

John 18:3-6
3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon Him, went forth, and said unto them, "Whom seek ye?"

5 They answered Him, "Jesus of Nazareth." Jesus saith unto them, "I am He." And Judas also, which betrayed Him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as He had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
KJV

 

[One 2 question]

That was one of the specific issues I was addressing in my post, i.e., your belief that the true cloven tongue manifests as 'gibberish' that requires... an interpreter. Thing is, Apostle Paul was not talking about any such idea of one in the Church speaking 'gibberish' and needing someone by The Spirit to interpret. Paul was pointing to 'known' LANGUAGES of the world that someone come into the Church spoke with, and that is the reason for that idea of an interpreter. This... is what Paul was speaking about in the 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter.

I will do a coverage of that 1 Cor.14 Chapter to show this, for those interested.

At the same time, what I am saying does NOT mean there is no such thing as the 'cloven tongue' spoken on Pentecost.

The important MEASURE is still GOD's WORD, not man's word. And per ACTS 2, everyone... present heard the Apostles speak in their 'own' dialects of languages of birth. There was NO 'gibberish' speech at all on Pentecost. Even in the Greek of that Acts 2 Chapter, the flow showing just how... the cloven tongue manifested has a perfect alternation like the following"

Greek glossa = (known languages)
glossa

dialektos = (a dialect of a known language)​

dialektos​

glossa
glossa

What the true 'cloven tongue' is, is about the one language which all peoples and nations once spoke before the tower of Babel event of Genesis 11. When it is spoken, the speaker is speaking in KNOWN languages of today's world so that everyone present hears in their OWN language of birth, and not just their own language, but the very dialect of that language of where they were born. And that is how it manifested per Acts 2.

But some... Churches instead try to turn gibberish into being that Acts 2 cloven tongue when if it manifests as gibberish, it does NOT align with that Acts 2 Scripture. And that work it into an emotional frenzy thinking that gibberish is a miracle, and can only come from God. Well I got news for brethren that try to use their emotions to understand God's miracles like the true cloven tongue.

Lord Jesus told us especially for the end times, to not allow any man to deceive us. And one of the major events for the end of this world is the coming of a 'supernatural' false-Messiah that will work great signs, wonders, and miracles that will deceive the whole world, except Christ's elect. So all the speaking in gibberish claiming it is the cloven tongue of Pentecost when it is not, falling in the floor backwards and claiming that of The Spirit, running up and down the isles out of control, barking like dogs and imitating animals, shaking the head uncontrollably, etc., are all manifestations that are NOT written in God's Word that happened to God's servants. As a matter of fact, the only ones I can find that fell backwards because of The Spirit were the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus when asking Him where Jesus was, and Jesus said, "I am He," and then they fell backwards...

John 18:3-6
3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon Him, went forth, and said unto them, "Whom seek ye?"

5 They answered Him, "Jesus of Nazareth." Jesus saith unto them, "I am He." And Judas also, which betrayed Him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as He had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
KJV

Personally I haven't spoken in any other language but English. And although I have said to God that I'm very glad to exercise any gift and carry out any role He chooses to give me, one has not been speaking in other unlearned languages.

Honestly I'm not picky. I'm Christ's servant in His body ready to His will whatever that be.

Some may say that at this stage it appears that you aren't being used to speak in tongues or to interpret them. He has roles for every member of His church. This is fantastic hey

 

[Davy]

Personally I haven't spoken in any other language but English. And although I have said to God that I'm very glad to exercise any gift and carry out any role He chooses to give me, one has not been speaking in other unlearned languages.

Honestly I'm not picky. I'm Christ's servant in His body ready to His will whatever that be.

Some may say that at this stage it appears that you aren't being used to speak in tongues or to interpret them. He has roles for every member of His church. This is fantastic hey

And I say to all that... follow God's Word, not man's word, and with this matter Acts 2 of how the true cloven tongue manifested, is the correct measure, not what men say.

A study on 1 Corinthians 14 I did...

Apostle Paul's REAL Tongue Interpreter Teaching

Men's doctrines have even turned the idea of languages and an interpreter that Apostle Paul spoke of in 1 Corinthians 14 into an idea that the true cloven tongue manifests in the Church as 'gibberish', and requires someone present to interpret by The Spirit. They go outside of how the true...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[One 2 question]

That was one of the specific issues I was addressing in my post, i.e., your belief that the true cloven tongue manifests as 'gibberish' that requires... an interpreter. Thing is, Apostle Paul was not talking about any such idea of one in the Church speaking 'gibberish' and needing someone by The Spirit to interpret. Paul was pointing to 'known' LANGUAGES of the world that someone come into the Church spoke with, and that is the reason for that idea of an interpreter. This... is what Paul was speaking about in the 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter.

I will do a coverage of that 1 Cor.14 Chapter to show this, for those interested.

At the same time, what I am saying does NOT mean there is no such thing as the 'cloven tongue' spoken on Pentecost.

The important MEASURE is still GOD's WORD, not man's word. And per ACTS 2, everyone... present heard the Apostles speak in their 'own' dialects of languages of birth. There was NO 'gibberish' speech at all on Pentecost. Even in the Greek of that Acts 2 Chapter, the flow showing just how... the cloven tongue manifested has a perfect alternation like the following"

Greek glossa = (known languages)
glossa

dialektos = (a dialect of a known language)​

dialektos​

glossa
glossa

What the true 'cloven tongue' is, is about the one language which all peoples and nations once spoke before the tower of Babel event of Genesis 11. When it is spoken, the speaker is speaking in KNOWN languages of today's world so that everyone present hears in their OWN language of birth, and not just their own language, but the very dialect of that language of where they were born. And that is how it manifested per Acts 2.

But some... Churches instead try to turn gibberish into being that Acts 2 cloven tongue when if it manifests as gibberish, it does NOT align with that Acts 2 Scripture. And that work it into an emotional frenzy thinking that gibberish is a miracle, and can only come from God. Well I got news for brethren that try to use their emotions to understand God's miracles like the true cloven tongue.

Lord Jesus told us especially for the end times, to not allow any man to deceive us. And one of the major events for the end of this world is the coming of a 'supernatural' false-Messiah that will work great signs, wonders, and miracles that will deceive the whole world, except Christ's elect. So all the speaking in gibberish claiming it is the cloven tongue of Pentecost when it is not, falling in the floor backwards and claiming that of The Spirit, running up and down the isles out of control, barking like dogs and imitating animals, shaking the head uncontrollably, etc., are all manifestations that are NOT written in God's Word that happened to God's servants. As a matter of fact, the only ones I can find that fell backwards because of The Spirit were the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus when asking Him where Jesus was, and Jesus said, "I am He," and then they fell backwards...

John 18:3-6
3 Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon Him, went forth, and said unto them, "Whom seek ye?"

5 They answered Him, "Jesus of Nazareth." Jesus saith unto them, "I am He." And Judas also, which betrayed Him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as He had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
KJV

Personally I haven't spoken in any other language but English. And although I have said to God that I'm very glad to exercise any gift and carry out any role He chooses to give me, one has not been speaking in other unlearned languages.

Honestly I'm not picky. I'm Christ's servant in His body ready to His will whatever that be.

Some may say that at this stage it appears that you aren't being used to speak in tongues or to interpret them. He has roles for every member of His church. This is fantastic hey

 

[Davy]

Some may say that at this stage it appears that you aren't being used to speak in tongues or to interpret them. He has roles for every member of His church. This is fantastic hey

I see no use for your double post. I responded to that already in my previous post. So I'll say it again: the gibberish speech some claim... is the true cloven tongue of Acts 2 is not the true cloven tongue. It is confusion trying to mimic the true cloven tongue. Only IF... it manifests into 'known languages' of the world will it represent the true cloven tongue of Pentecost per Acts 2.

 

[Davy]

Personally I haven't spoken in any other language but English. And although I have said to God that I'm very glad to exercise any gift and carry out any role He chooses to give me, one has not been speaking in other unlearned languages.

Honestly I'm not picky. I'm Christ's servant in His body ready to His will whatever that be.

Some may say that at this stage it appears that you aren't being used to speak in tongues or to interpret them. He has roles for every member of His church. This is fantastic hey

Which do you believe about the day of Christ's future coming? Does He come Pre-trib or Post-trib?

 

[One 2 question]

Which do you believe about the day of Christ's future coming? Does He come Pre-trib or Post-trib?

I'm certain of this, He'll return when Father tells Him to. When that happens to be we will certainly find out.

Personally I'm hoping it's before the tribulation but I'm preparing to go through it with His Spirit's company. This includes hearing Him communicate with me personally and directly. Like practical guidance, turn here, don't go in there, don't stop for them, pick them up, turn your flashlight off. Whatever action i need to take in response to the immediate situation we (Holy Spirit & I) are in, I will obey.

 

[Davy]

I'm certain of this, He'll return when Father tells Him to. When that happens to be we will certainly find out.

Personally I'm hoping it's before the tribulation but I'm preparing to go through it with His Spirit's company. This includes hearing Him communicate with me personally and directly. Like practical guidance, turn here, don't go in there, don't stop for them, pick them up, turn your flashlight off. Whatever action i need to take in response to the immediate situation we (Holy Spirit & I) are in, I will obey.

I'm with you, however, I have also taken the time to discover exactly what timing for His future coming that He said, de facto per written Bible Scripture. So we can... 'know'... per His Word, whether His future return will be pre-trib or post-trib.

And it will be post-trib, because He said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER... the tribulation.

So we do not have to wonder about that. Those in Christ will go through the coming "great tribulation", if still alive.

And Lord Jesus showed us 'how'... to prepare for that coming time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world, and exactly what 'duty' He has for us to do during it. It has to do with the cloven tongue spoken on Pentecost.

In Mark 13:9-13, Jesus showed us what our 'duty' for that time will be...

Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

The above is often wrongly taught as being past history by men's false doctrine of Preterism. And the pre-trib rapture school teaches that Mark 13 Chapter of Christ's Olivet discourse is mainly meant for the Jews, and not Christ's Church. BOTH... of those seminary theories are from men, and are wrong.

The start of the defeat of Satan's host on earth will be during the "great tribulation", towards the end of it closer to Christ's coming. And that defeat will be started by God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem who are to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days, and also by the above delivering up of some of Christ's Church throughout the world to give that above Testimony against the beast for Lord Jesus.

In the Luke 21:14-15 version of the above Mark 13 Scripture, Jesus said in that Testimony against the beast we will be given words to say by The Holy Spirit that even the gainsayer won't be able to resist.

 

[One 2 question]

I'm with you, however, I have also taken the time to discover exactly what timing for His future coming that He said, de facto per written Bible Scripture. So we can... 'know'... per His Word, whether His future return will be pre-trib or post-trib.

And it will be post-trib, because He said in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 that His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER... the tribulation.

So we do not have to wonder about that. Those in Christ will go through the coming "great tribulation", if still alive.

And Lord Jesus showed us 'how'... to prepare for that coming time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world, and exactly what 'duty' He has for us to do during it. It has to do with the cloven tongue spoken on Pentecost.

In Mark 13:9-13, Jesus showed us what our 'duty' for that time will be...

Mark 13:9-13
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.

10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated of all men for My name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
KJV

The above is often wrongly taught as being past history by men's false doctrine of Preterism. And the pre-trib rapture school teaches that Mark 13 Chapter of Christ's Olivet discourse is mainly meant for the Jews, and not Christ's Church. BOTH... of those seminary theories are from men, and are wrong.

The start of the defeat of Satan's host on earth will be during the "great tribulation", towards the end of it closer to Christ's coming. And that defeat will be started by God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem who are to prophesy against the beast for 1260 days, and also by the above delivering up of some of Christ's Church throughout the world to give that above Testimony against the beast for Lord Jesus.

In the Luke 21:14-15 version of the above Mark 13 Scripture, Jesus said in that Testimony against the beast we will be given words to say by The Holy Spirit that even the gainsayer won't be able to resist.

Yes, the emphasis being on what Jesus has His Spirit say hey for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

How did Jesus say this would happen....Jhn 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he (Holy Ghost) shall take of mine (Jesus), and shall shew it unto you (Jesus's disciples)

 

[Davy]

Yes, the emphasis being on what Jesus has His Spirit say hey for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

How did Jesus say this would happen....Jhn 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he (Holy Ghost) shall take of mine (Jesus), and shall shew it unto you (Jesus's disciples)

With that John 16:15 verse, one must needs to include the other relevant Scripture there that goes with that subject to keep the flow of God's Word there...

John 16:13-15
13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are Mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.
KJV

Lord Jesus is pointing to the Holy Spirit Comforter within that. That is The He that guides us into all truth. And The Holy Spirit speaks to us what He hears from The Father and The Son.

And when Lord Jesus says what The Father has are also His, that is Jesus saying He is part of The Godhead.

 

[One 2 question]

13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.

Yes, Jesus emphasised the Person of God's Spirit. He mentioned Him 7 times in one breath.